darklordoftech

cyclista said:

I wanted to say something about the composition of the movie again. I don’t want to read to see if it has already been mentioned, so bear with me, all you soldiers who’ve stuck with the thread all this time.

I keep coming back to the impression that with a very few (if significant) exceptions, TFA was a great story with great characters and great settings-

-but-

-the editing was wrong all over. I don’t mean the fades and transitions, as in they were awkward or jumpy, but the assembly of all the scenes as a whole. It felt like the team had created a whole lot of great individual components/parts, but then put them together in a way wherein the whole wasn’t balanced right. I can’t break it down scene by scene and say where each should rightly have gone to balance out better, I just have a really strong impression of this. The film felt kind of lumpy. Like, almost right, but then you look closer and the building has a door on the 5th floor exiting into open air with no balcony. Or you realize that person you’ve been talking to for ten minutes has no left ear.

Dialogue, costumes, characters, scenery, architecture, everything was accurate and great - in both form and spirit - just put together without a sense of cohesion. An alternative (and more generous) criticism might be to say that it was edited with a sense of composition that was abstract and unconventional, but even that wouldn’t serve, the scene ordering/structure just deviates from the wavelength of the OT. I think this is the real and only significant flaw in this entry in the series.

Does this assessment make sense for anyone else out there? I’m really struggling to articulate something that is elusive and subtle to me.

I definitely understand what you’re trying to say. In particular, I felt like the planets weren’t shown in a way that suspends your disbelief and makes you care about them.

John Doom said:

do you think they’ll keep going in this direction for the next episodes too? Should they keep going, to you?

Do I think they will? No, going by Johnson’s record and Kasdan’s statements. Should they? No, because then you’d have two rehashes in a row, which would make eps. 7-9 “the remake trilogy.” There’s a big difference between a rehash after 38 years and a two rehashes in a row.

Maybe Snoke is Maz’s brother.

TulakHord said:

The “canon” Star Wars universe, in my opinion, didn’t really expand itself much through 30 years of existence

The “canon universe” has only existed for a year and a half.

Endor wasn’t the first time that Palpatine had died.

Palpatine and Jorus C’baoth had been close.

The Clone Wars involved “clone masters” and clone madness.

• Replace Palpatine’s advisors with his two advisors from AOTC and ROTS.

• Use the 1997 ending with Luke’s wink from 1983.

Some of the comic book art (such as Empire’s End and Golden Age of the Sith.)

Lord Haseo said:

darklordoftech said:

That in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Bane causes the very thing that his character revolves around preventing: the extinction of the Sith through infighting.

The Brotherhood of Darkness needed to be purged because they followed Lord Kaan and his asinine beliefs of equality among the Sith. So Bane destroyed them so he could rebuild the Sith Order under The Rule of Two

Don’t try to frieghten me with your EU-worshipping ways, Lord Haseo. Your sad devotion to that ancient canon hasn’t helped you predict VIII or given you clairvoyance enough to predict IX.

Lord Haseo said:

darklordoftech said:

“Darth Andeddu” and “Darth Kruhl”

If you mean him seeking out Andeddu’s Holocron in Dynasty of Evil he had to do that because Zannah hadn’t challenged him even though he waited years and his body was starting to go on the decline. Mostly due to the Dark Side degradation and even so he was still fast enough to dodge every rain drop in a 10 minute thunderstorm.

Notice that I used quotation marks. In other words, I hate those names, not the characters who bear those names.

“Darth Andeddu” and “Darth Kruhl”

imperialscum said: Especially I like the the two Sith and the Imperial Agent storylines.

I loved how the Sith Inquisitor storyline ties into the schemes of Naga Sadow from the Tales of the Jedi comics. They planned for Naga Sadow’s spirit to be a boss on Yavin for Sith Inquisitor players (the timeline videos forshadow it and datamining shows plans for it), but then they decided to stop doing class stories. As a longtime fan of Naga Sadow and his schemes, I’m very disappointed that we never got to battle his spirit.

Tyrphanax said:

Reading this thread and seeing people realize just how dreck some of the EU was brings me great joy.

Can you believe people wrote petitions and “Gave up on Star Wars” because they wiped out a universe where “Fat Dancer” is basically Luke’s best friend and the three-eyed son of Palpatine takes over the Empire? Ugh. I’m so glad it’s all gone.

This so much. Don’t forget that there’s a clone of Luke called “Luuke”, Palpatine’s spirit tries to possess a baby, and the galaxy ends up being ruled by Maul cosplayers.

That in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Bane causes the very thing that his character revolves around preventing: the extinction of the Sith through infighting.

Darth Bane, the one who started the conspiracy that led to the rise of the Empire and has no canon fate.

ZkinandBonez said:

darklordoftech said:

Veitch initially wanted to write about the Great Jedi Purge. It would have involved Obi-Wan among a group of Jedi, with the rest of the group getting wiped out throughout series and ending with Obi-Wan moving into his hut. Seeing that concept would be interesting.

So Dark Empire II (I haven’t read Empire’s End yet) was based on this idea? It sounds very similar.
Although I did enjoy Dark Empire I & II (though I’ll admit it was mostly for the art), I did find the story to take a surprisingly dark turn which felt slightly out of place in the New Republic timeline. It makes sense if it was based on a Jedi-purge story-line.
I’d love to see a “Legends/Infinities” comic written by Veitch, and illustrated by Cam Kennedy.

PS. Why does so many people have a problem with the Emperor returning. I though t was a nice way to continue that particular subplot from ROTJ which was never really allowed to flourish due to Lucas’ suddenly deciding to make it more child-friendly. Also the OT was more centered around Luke and Vader so Palpatine was ever that particularly important to the overall emotional story, he was mostly just there for the sake of the lore. So post-Vader, it makes sense to make to expand him into a more important character. And a younger one works much better to offset Luke and the new Jedi’s in my opinion.
I also like the idea of Palpatine being more of an ancient evil character (more in a Sauron kind of way) as opposed to just some random Sith from Naboo as he was later retconned into. The idea of him as this evil energy entity that possess (cloned) bodies is a lot more interesting, too me at lest.

I mever thought of the possibility that dark Empire II was based on Veitch’s
Jedi Purge concept, but it’s definitely possible. I agree with you 100% when it comes to Palpatine. I always got the impression that he was an ancient evil force and not just the latest in a long line of Sith Lords. His survival makes sense in a comic-book universe, especially if you’re looking the Flash Gordon roots of Star Wars as Veitch was.

I’ve always wanted to see Veitch unrestrained by Lucas and KJA (that would mean his ideas for the prequel and post-ROTJ eras, his ideas for the Sith species and Great Sith War, etc.)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Droid_Revolution

Would love for Vader to look exactly like in ANH, from the red eyes to the chestplate.

My PT wouldn’t reference the Sith existing before Palpatine. If Palpatine himself is the oldest source of evil to be mentioned, all the characters and events would seem more important and unique and the possibilities for what will happen would seem greater.

I’d do something to make it clear that Snoke isn’t Plagueis.

I dreamed that I was watching an Old Republic and in it Snoke creates the first Sith by luring Jedi into some sort of hell, the entrance to this hell being located on Moraband.

The Trade Federation’s role could be reduced. TCW without the prequels implies that the Trade Federation is distinct from Nute Gunray and the other Nemoidians who support the Separatists. Anakin could be the good friend that the OT implied he was.

DuracellEnergizer said:

A number of stupid PT elements would still remain – Darths, younglings, Gungans, Chosen One prophecy, etc.

That doesn’t mean that a TCW-compatible PT would have to reference them. Also, we could be selective as to which TCW episodes we include in the continuity of our rewritten PT.

I figured that he was young when he turned. However, I also thought that the saber that Obi-Wan gives Luke is the saber that Anakin used for his entire Jedi career. I also thought that Anakin and Uncle Owen were close before Obi-Wan entered the picture and that Owen tried to convince Anakin not to become a Jedi.

ignites lightsaber

I do like that another non-dark side Skywalker was revealed to exist. It allowed for Vader’s “If you will not turn, perhaps she will,” moment and Luke’s reaction to it.