dark_jedi

OK Guys,
I am confused on who is getting what, and what is getting who, I now have these Digital PCM files from LD's in my collection, along with all the PCM tracks I captured,

Star Wars 1130-85 Technidisc (Thanks to Mallwalker) 1985 Home Video Mix
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/36787/1130-85/
Return of The Jedi 1478-80 Pioneer Video Inc. (Thanks to Mallwalker) Theatrical
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/10637/1478-80/

*****

Star Wars 1130-85 Mitsubishi (Thanks to The Lizard King) 1985 Home Video Mix
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00862/1130-85/Star-Wars:-A-New-Hope-%28CBS%29-%281977
Empire Strikes Back 1425-85 Mitsubishi (Thanks to The Lizard King) Theatrical
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00873/1425-85/Star-Wars:-The-Empire-Strikes-Back-%281980
Return of The Jedi 1478-85 Mitsubishi (Thanks to The Lizard King) Theatrical
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00874/1478-85/Star-Wars:-Return-of-the-Jedi-%281983

Now what I need to know is this, is the Empire Strikes Back above the Theatrical mix? if so, then now I have the Theatrical for both Empire and Jedi so I can replace my captured PCM tracks.

1 more thing, are these Digital PCM tracks the same tracks that are on the Japanese Special Collection? if so, then no need to rip them correct?

Thanks

*edit - 1 more thing, where exactly do you look on your LD's to find these mint marks and such? I really would like to go through my entire Star Wars collection of LD's(Thanks Russ for helping obtain all these babies LOL) and find out which versions I have exactly.

You_Too said:

Harmy said:

I'm still having some trouble getting my computer to use the BD footage properly though, so it would be quite nice to get the scene already brightened and corrected in high bitrate 720p AVC.

Have you tried demuxing the video track from the blu-ray m2ts file? It worked for me in after effects after demuxing it to ".h264" and changing that extension to just ".264".

Anyway, I'll try and make a render someday soon. The original in 1080p is 36,8 mbps, so what would be the best bitrate to use for 720p?

Don't want to see anyone get into any trouble here, but don't you think talking about ripping and sharing the Blu-ray video, or part of, should be taken to PM's? just sayin, because now you guys are right out in the open with it LOL.

Damn, now I really have to get this video done, I just received the ripped Digital PCM from the Conan LD in the mail today(HUGE Thanks to The Lizard King @ blu-ray.com!) and DAMN does it sound good! so now I need to hurry and finish this so I can watch and listen to all this on my Home Theater Setup LOL.

Thanks DigruntledFan, but I have AE not Premier, and I did want to go the other way and make the BD the same as the Netflix HD, but I do not want to process the whole BD video, and what if the settings make other scenes wrong, so to get this done and start on the LD Digital PCM audio sync job I wanted to get the video done as fast as I can, and for me, I still like how the BD looks to, I want to finish this up so I can finish up the SW BD Set.

Harmy gave me some settings a while back that I have been messing with, but still not happy, so that is why I am posting for help, color matching is just not my thing, LOL I am still trying to figure out the whole shadow\midtone\hilight thing, like do you do midtones first then adjust the others , or is there a different method, just too damn confusing.

Thanks for the help though, I just do not have that software.

DisgruntledFan said:

dj, 

It's pretty straightforward - basically it's just which part of the image the color balance adjustment will affect - i.e. the dark bits, most of the image, or the very bright bits.

You may find it easier to work with the RGB curves - set the view to 'RGB Parade' - and then flip backwards and forwards between the two things you are trying to match - start off by getting the bottom of the  of R,G and B in the same place in both shots (only adjust one of them) - then adjust so that the tops of the graph match. Once you've done that you should be pretty close.

Use the 'master' curve to add or remove contrast by making the middle curve up or down.

Goodluck.

This is for After Effects right? if so do you have an example possibly? I need to make the top image of this post look like the bottom image, here is the post,

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Conan-The-Barbarian-Theatrical-Reconstruction-BD25-Project/post/539574/#TopicPost539574

Thanks, it would be nice to get the video 100% done before my Digital PCM audio gets here.

*updated info in post #37*

MrBrown said:

So I remuxed it, and burned it to a BD-Rom, so I just could watch it on my PS3.

This audio project ist just awesome! It seems to fit perfectly! Great work!

I hope that the movie will be someway remastered in video purpose someday, and that the mono will fit then , also.

I really liked it!

Thank you, and I am glad you like it, and I will tell you this, if the video gets a remastering, I will make sure that the PCM is in sync with that version as well, so don't worry about that.

Mallwalker, so what exactly are you possibly planning on ripping? because like I have said in this thread already, rips are better than captures, and I would love to see an actual list of possibilities so I can see if I can replace some of the captured PCM tracks I have already done, and I agree, there really is no reason to rip anymore of the 93 mixes or any of the SW 77 mixes, these were all done the best that they can be already, however, I am curious of the others that I have that can be replaced.

I am done with my new video files for Star Wars and Return of The Jedi, but while waiting on h_h's new 5.1 mixes I figured I may sync up new Digital PCM tracks to these and replace my captured ones, so could you please just list which LD's you have that you are thinking about ripping and sharing? Thanks.

I to wish h_h would chime in and tell us which files are better, I would hate to sync an inferior version just to have to re do it yet again on a different one.

Thanks

*edit - Please understand, I am not pushing anyone to do anything, that is why I said possibly above, but this is starting to get confusing and I am hoping to figure all this out soon, but I guess if worst comes to worst, I could just leave all my audio files as is, it is still complete, and it is available, just not quite as good as Digital PCM, but something is better than nothing.

russs15 said:

Unfortunately, the files for ANH 1130-85 and ROTJ 1478-80 posted recently by Mallwalker do not shed any light on the process or software used.

Each side was "ripped" three times and a type of MD5 check number given....

I am certain Mallwalker knows exactly what he is doing, and I am pretty sure he has an RF Demodulator to rip these files correctly, especially since he said these are bit perfect, and how well they sound, pretty much tells it.

So now all I need is ESB so I can redo the PCM files for my last release.

I don't know why he just doesn't comment himself, he has been on the Forum already and had to have seen this, so hopefully soon he will shed some light for you Russ on his exact method used.

russs15 said:

You will not bee able to get any form of digital "rip" of the ANH 1977 Theatrical mix, but as hairy_hen said:

There are no digital copies of the '77 stereo mix on laserdisc.  Belbucus' analogue capture was made with very high quality equipment, so it's probably the best it's ever going to sound short of an official transfer from the master tape.

That mix is as good as we are going to get. However you could replace the following mixes if you wished......

1985 ANH mix using the "rip" recently posted by Mallwalker.

1980 ESB Theatrical mix if the Special Widescreen Edition/JSC were to be "ripped".

1983 ROTJ Theatrical mix using the "rip" recently posted by Mallwalker.

 

So far I have had no luck finding anyone that can rip this, but I will keep hunting.

Laserschwert said:

Of course it's nitpicking (or "detail oriented"), and thankfully it is!... I'd say that's what a successful project like this is about: Dealing with as many aspects as possible to get a product that's as close to perfect as possible. Hell, when I invest so much time in a project, I go the extra mile to fix the details as well... and Harmy working on a 1.2 of SW kinda proves that he feels the same way (even if the credits are excluded from that feeling ;-) ).

@ Dark_jedi: Somehow you always seem to be pissed off that your work (or in this case Harmy's, which utilized some of it) doesn't get appreciated more, and that people who point out flaws are ungrateful or something... what's up with that? There's so much creative power (not to mention ability!) around these forums, so why not listen to other people's ideas and suggestions, instead of feeling offended all the time?

So as to not muddy up Harmy's thread with the response I would like to give you, I am just going to bow down to your expertise handling of things Laserschwert, you do the credits proud and show us your work, I can't wait to see them, Thanks for doing this.

OH, and for the record, I couldn't care less if you appreciate what I do or not, if only 1 person likes my projects, I am happy, and it made it worth it.

Just out of curiosity, I am close to finishing the new video for SW and ROTJ, ESB is going to be a while longer, but if you guys could choose 3 scenes, 1 from each film for a Blu-ray 720p sample, which scenes would you guys think I should use? this will be the sample I post on the first page, plus it will give you an idea of the color and quality of the release.

I also may redo some of the audio if I can manage to get better LD rips, but only if I can get all of them, it won't be worth doing over for just 1 or 2 of them, but if I get all that I want, then I will definitely redo the audio LPCM tracks, because like have said in the past, I want my last Star Wars project to be as good as I can possibly get it.

Plus hairy_hen is redoing the Star Wars 5.1 mix, and touching up ESB and ROTJ 5.1 mix, these will be replacing the older 5.1 mixes I have used, and a huge Thank you goes out to him for those new\updated tracks.

Thanks Everyone

TV's Frink said:

Dear Mr. Verta,

Why are you still posting here?  Why are you even still reading this thread?

I agree with you - this joke of a thread should be locked.  And then we can all go about our business.

You said you were going away.  Please mean what you say.

Sincerely,
Mr. Frink

What he said.

russs15 said:

Does this mean that you are looking to use the Digital Sound mix from either the Special Widescreen Edition or JSC as a DIGITAL replacement for the ESB 80 Theatrical you already have?

Agree that there may not be much point in having them both on your Blu Ray release but instead use a far superior Digital mix in place of the currently available Analogue mix.

Exactly this, if I can get bit-for-bit rips of the captured analogue files I already have, I will swap them out, that is what I want to do, but I will only spend the time to do it if I get all of them to replace, not just 1 or 2.

So yes, that is my goal here.

Harmy said:

I thought Mike's were a recreation.

Anyway, for me, credits are so seriously unimportant a part of the film, that I would never put so much work into re-creating them. If someone makes them and at least two other people are willing to proof read them, I'd be willing to use them of course. But as I said, I'll be using DJ's Blu for v1.2, which is devoid of some of the artefacts present in Mattman's version, which I used in v1.0, so they should be better.

I agree with you 100% on this Harmy, some here are getting way, way to damn nitpicky now, but like you said, they can make them themselves, I think some here forget what it is we are working with, and what we actually have at our disposal.

russs15 said:

hairy_hen said:

If new tracks are going to replace the captures from before, then they deserve to be heard at their best.  If need be, I may be able to help out with this.  ;)

Agreed!!

So far, I summarise as follows

 

 

Star Wars

1977 Mono - Reconstruction by Belbucus

1977 Stereo - High quality analogue capture by Belbucus ex Full Screen CAV Standard Play (1130-84) LaserDisc in standard and remastered at "reference level" versions.

1985 Stereo Remix - "ripped" by Mallwalker ex 1130-85

1993 THX Stereo - ex GOUT or 93 LD's. LD versions ex Definitive Collection done by Belbucus. Not sure if "ripped" or captured.

The Empire Strikes Back

1980* Theatrical Stereo - Current available analogue capture ex 1425-84 of unknown origin (to me). New HQ version prefered.

1985* Stereo Remix - No known GOUT synced capture or rip ex 1425-85/JSC currently available. New "ripped" copy required.

1993 THX Stereo - ex GOUT or 93 LD's. LD versions ex Definitive Collection done by Belbucus. Not sure if "ripped" or captured.

The Return of The Jedi

1983 Theatrical Stereo - "ripped" by Mallwalker ex 1478-80 (which is the same as 1478-85)

1993 THX Stereo - ex GOUT or 93 LD's. LD versions ex Definitive Collection done by Belbucus. Not sure if "ripped" or captured.

*If these two ESB mixes are indeed the same but analogue or Digital Sound being the difference, surely the 1985 Digital Sound "ripped" ex 1425-85/JSC would be the best quality version available as the Theatrical mix? I would still opt for both for total and utter completeness!!

 

The ESB 80 Theatrical analogue I did, so it is already done, I would like to have the Digital PCM, then I will put that in sync, and I to would love to have the Digital PCM tracks ripped from the JSC, but who has them, and has the capabilities to rip bit-for-bit the audio?

And I totally agree with your bottom statement, but as hairy_hen, and ChainsawAsh, and others have pointed out, the 85 mix was not needed for ESB and ROTJ, that is why they were not included on my V3 DVD Set and my coming soon Blu-ray Set.

@ hairy_hen, did you download the 2 audio files Mallwalker posted on the newsgroups? if so, can you resample those 2 files\all 3 sides for each, and upload them, I would love to physically hear the difference between your resample and my own, because if it is a huge difference as you say, then I would be interested in you resampling my Terminator audio and the Conan The Barbarian audio when I get it, because my method was already a big improvement over my captured analogue audio, but you seem to think your method will knock our socks off, by the way what software do you use? so I am very interested in hearing it myself if I could, Thanks.

Now that I think of it, and damn this is frackin confusing! the 85 remix was not needed for either Empire or Jedi, for whatever reason I can't remember, but I am assuming that both Empire and Jedi are the same as 1 of the other tracks for those films, again I can't remember which.

So I guess more than anything I would like to get a Laserdisc bit-for-bit rip of the 1425-84 or whichever other LD has the Empire Theatrical, because Mallwalker already posted the Theatrical for Jedi.

Damn I should have taken notes on all this when I was putting all these various tracks in sync, ChainsawAsh was a huge help for me when I was getting all this info together, hopefully he will pop in soon and shed some light.

Russ you are right, I used the Belbecus 77 mix, but to be honest, I sure would love to have a bit-for-bit rip of that also, which LD's have the Star Wars Theatrical mix on it in Digital? if any do lol.

Arnie.d said:

Dark_jedi, is the current V3 theatrical and '85 remix audio an analoge capture? You want to replace it by digital bit perfect rips, right? 

I guess blu-ray doesn't support 44.1 kHz, or does it? So any bitperfect rip needs to be resampled. Does anyone know what is the best way to resample? Is this "secret rabbit code" good (http://www.mega-nerd.com/SRC/fb2k.html)? Or is it better to resample during the capture?

Yes, and yes.

and yes, you have to resample the audio, I have done this already a few times with BD projects I have been doing, most recently my Terminator LD to BD audio I just did and made available, and no I do not use what you have linked to, and it sounds GREAT!

I probably will not go through and resync all these audio files if I can't get the rest of them, having all will make it worth it, but to just do a couple and leave the rest, well to me I may as well just leave it what it is, so hopefully I can get the other files I am looking for.

I am redoing them so there are no screens.

@ Griff and MrBrown, you both have PM's, hope you like it.

DrGonzo369 said:

So I'll go ahead and ask:  Any plans on a PIF thing with this for the BDs?  I have no problems doing a set for someone on BD if I can get my hands on them. 

Absolutely not, I will not have anything to do with the so called "PIF" again, I have commented on this before, not sure where here though, actually maybe more than once, but this type of sharing does not work, it never has, somewhere along the line it always fails from members that say they will participate and then don't hold up their end(probably the same dumb fucks that leech and do not seed back) plus not many people have Blu-ray burners still, I personally have been burned by this several times, so sorry, I will not start this at all or participate in it, once they are out, and someone else wants to chance it, go for it, but I certainly will not put one together.

Actually once these are available, I do not care how they are shared, just give a courtesy heads up is all, same with the V3 DVD Set.

I wish Darth Mallwalker would chime in, he would know if I could get the rest of these filled, he is pretty knowledgeable in these LD's and their audio.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-ROTJ-Audio-Mixes/post/545902/#TopicPost545902

Well Russ, if I can get those ripped Digital PCM files, I will put everyone of them in sync, so you will get your 85 ESB & ROTJ mix, even though I did not use it on my projects because it was deemed not needed, but for you, I will do it.

schorman13 said:

dark_jedi,

I'm going to rip them.  It's really just bit-perfect capturing if you want to get technical about it.  

As for the other mixes you're looking for, I have all of those ld's, but the 1980 empire disc (1425-84) is analog only, and time compressed, so that cannot be "ripped" per se.  

I'm going to try to get a copy of 1983 Japanese Fullscreen LD (SF098-0013) because it should have the same mix, but isn't time compressed.

I was under the impression from Darth Mallwalker here,
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions-SEE-FIRST-POST-FOR-INFO-AND-AVAILABILITY/post/418425/#TopicPost418425
that it is not time compressed, and also here from ChainsawAsh,
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Theatrical-Editions-Info-ALL-versions-SEE-FIRST-POST-FOR-INFO-AND-AVAILABILITY/post/419239/#TopicPost419239
so are you sure of your statement? but I guess either way if it is analog only, I would need to find a digital source, hopefully yours will work.

Thanks

Thanks, I will look for that one now, but yes the better ripped audio would sound so much better than my captured tracks, and as I said, I have learned a lot since putting those tracks in sync, so these will be a lot better, I just need the LD rips.

Thanks again, I will try and find that file you said is already uploaded.

Doing the Terminator LD ripped audio really opened my eyes\ears to how well ripped LD audio really sounds, and I just can't wait to hear the Conan The Barbarian ripped Digital PCM when it gets here for my Conan project.

*edit - Thanks msycamore, I found SW 1130-85 and ROTJ 1478-80, thanks DM for putting them up, now if I can just get the rest of them I will re do ALL the audio for the Blu Set.