crissrudd4554

Echo3 said:
The first two editions were dark, but reasonably accurate representations of the aged film.  The audio was nice, but there were errors and ommissions.  The “remastered” '06 edition corrected the missing audio elements, (edit: i was wrong, the 06 version is missing dracula’s death groans) but  the overall sound quality reverted to being a muffled mess. The image was overly brightened and cleaned, and lost its dark, creepy feel.

Apologies that I’m reply to a 9 year old comment (especially considering the BD kinda rectifies this threads original purpose) but actually the 2006 DVD does have Dracula’s death groans. Only the 2004 DVD lacked them (and Renfield’s death screams). I do agree about the audio being a muffled mess. Fortunately the BD fixes this. Another thing to note is the 1999 DVD lacks the musical cue at the end of the Opera scene.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

It may be the same video transfer but I believe the Legacy disc allowed a higher bitrate because it have the movie more space than the comparatively cramped '99 disc.

Actually the 1999 disc despite being single sided and ‘cramped’ with extras (and technically an extra movie) still looked slightly better than the 2004.

http://www.shillpages.com/uscmc/lcc-dracula.htm

Not really, no.

darklordoftech said:

Was the HD format war still a thing maybe? Just guessing they didn’t to create multiple releases.

No HD formats existed until 2006, and HD TVs were rare in 2000.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LkQEobE2RUk

Most likely George’s revisionism. The cut of TPM on DVD differed from the version on VHS plus some of the DVD features were created for the DVD. Lucas likely wanted to make some last minute adjustments before oking the DVD. As for the OT Lucas wanted to wait til the PT was complete before releasing them on DVD. The only reason he caved in 2004 was studio pressure.

The 1992 Letterbox VHS release has the 1985 mix which is mostly the original stereo mix just with 3P0’s tractor beam line added. Aside from that I’m not sure. The 1993 and 1995 LD releases had the 1993 remix which had some new sounds added.

As niche a market that wants the OUT has become, if Disney really didn’t want anyone to address the subject I would imagine they would have advised JJ to at least say something like ‘I can’t answer that question’. Ok sure he didn’t FULLY address the issue but frankly him saying that it’s not being done for reasons even he doesnt understand is as full a response that someone on the inside has given.

If he can address it that much than Disney at least can give a statement saying “we’re not doing it because…”. No one’s asking for a fully detailed explanation just a quick sentence saying why. “We’re not doing it because of money” “We’re not doing it out of respect to George” “We’re not doing it because enough of the fans don’t care” Anything along those lines.

Honestly I think Disney/LF may be worse at burying the originals than Lucas was. At least HE acknowledged their existence and was blunt on why he would never release them again.

File Specs for those interested.

LilBrutto capture:

File Type: wav
Size: 348 MB (File 1), 481 (File 2)
Bit Rate: 1411kbps
Description: Two files. Captured from 1993 Japan LD as is. No sync work done. Lacks line “Now I know what it feels like to be God”.

Moshrom Synced version:

File Type: FLAC
Size: 113 MB
Bit Rate: 225kbps
Input: 2.0 16-bit LPCM, 44.1 kHz - bit-perfect
Output: 1.0 16-bit FLAC, 44.1 kHz, ~226 kbps
Synced to: Universal blu-ray

My versions:

Version 1.

File Type: wav
Size: 708 MB
Bit Rate: 1411kbps
Description: I used Moshrom’s version for the bulk but made some tweaks. I used a VHS capture to fix the delayed fade in of the track as well as fixing the transition from side 1 of the LD to side 2. I also did some tweaks to the ‘God’ line. The change of quality in that instance is still apparent but that unfortunately will be the case regardless of how its edited.

Version 2.

Description: Same specs and details as version one but with volume turned up about 5 notches. BD audio is still a smidge louder though.

Moshrom over at FanRes supplied me with a synced LD track. I took that and made some minor tweaks of my own. If you want either of our versions or the original unsynced files shoot me a PM.

OrangeTank said:

Should have been extensive releases for the OT and PT at least with all official versions included all scanned in 4K. Seamless branching and multiple audio selections to choose from. Similar to Blade Runner and the more recent Kingdom of Heaven BDs where all releases are included with tons of bonus features. Care more about Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi compared to the rest. These three should’ve been all out regarding everything and more.
Disappointing since The Mandalorian got me to care more about Star Wars recently.

There’s way too many changes made to the Star Wars, A New Hope in particular, to be able to do seamless branching.

(Removed. Was meant for a private message)

digitalfreaknyc said:

DominicCobb said:

Apparently the bonus features here clock in the same as the ones included in the digital collection versions. So the only thing new here are the films in 4K (though really even that isn’t new considering they’ve been on Disney+ for months).

Gonna be a no for me.

Same here. First time I’ve ever NOT bought these movies on a new format. What an incredible f*** up.

I said no in 2011 without hesitation, I will say no again in 2020 without hesitation.

Who knows. My guess is they probably figure there’s more people watching regular television than home video so showing the black bars at the top and bottom might be distracting. It’s no different than the 4:3 days of cropping. Is it necessary now considering the bars are smaller on films like Star Wars with 16:9 TVs? No but again I’m not expert so I’m not sure.

Broom Kid said:

I’d put odds on the 16x9 blu-ray/digital cuts.

This^

benduwan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

benduwan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Plus nudity, violence and language is reduced.

… 😮 😒

why would someone watch a cut version?

Sometimes edited for TV versions feature footage not seen in the normal cut even if it is tone down specific content for television broadcasting.

and are there scenes not in the other versions?

I’ve seen edited for TV versions include deleted scenes for timing. Jaws has aired with some additional scenes. A couple years ago I even combined the DVD of The Little Rascals with a TV airing I captured since the TV airing featured deleted scenes not available on video.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Little-Rascals-1994-TV-Version-with-Deleted-Scenes/id/49212

As for the Blade Runner TV version I can’t comment on it since I haven’t seen it which is likely the reason the original poster is seeking it out as well.

benduwan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Plus nudity, violence and language is reduced.

… 😮 😒

why would someone watch a cut version?

Historical purposes?? Sometimes edited for TV versions feature footage not seen in the normal cut even if it is tone down specific content for television broadcasting. The recent RoboCop BD by Arrow includes the Directors, Theatrical, and TV cuts. Why the latter?? Who knows but it’s interesting to watch next to the other ‘official’ versions.

benduwan said:

what is different on this to all the dvd and bluray releses?

From what I’ve read the opening crawl is slightly different and read by a narrator. Plus nudity, violence and language is reduced.

J0E said:

crissrudd4554 said:

KISS are on their supposed tour with two imposters. Still not going. If this is the final SW video release, that’s nice or sad or whatever. However if you want my money you have to include the OUT.

Oh dude you hit the nail on the head. At least in the 80’s when Kiss got new members, they gave them new makeup/took it off. At least in '97 they were called the Special Editions and at the time it looked like the old versions would be temporarily out of print until the next major format to drive demand.

Then we reached a point where this is how it’s always been. Eric Singer has always been Peter Criss. Tommy Thayer has always been Ace Frehley.

We had the Reunion album Psycho Circus (which is analogous to the GOUT disc), but all the material was written by Paul and Gene. The material Ace and Peter wrote was all thrown out, and Paul and Gene let them play on one song to placate them.

Then you had the Farewell tour, that was immediately followed up by a World Tour. Then Ace and Peter got upset justifiably so and left again. Kiss has been touring posing Eric and Tommy as Ace and Peter ever since.

It feels doubly scummy as far as Eric Singer goes, because he was brought in on the Revenge album to play the material that was already written by Eric Carr. That whole album was a tribute to Eric Carr and it makes me feel dirty every time I listen to it because it has Eric Singer on it. And he’s a Peter imposter (Yes I wrote all that for that innuendo).

Heyy it’s a perfect analogy so what can you say?? 😉

SpacemanDoug said:

I know Grease has been added already, but there is more to it. The 20th anniversary 1998 5.1 remix of Grease had all of the songs remixed (like adding reverb and background vocals to a couple of the songs) and added a bunch of foley sound effects. This was the only mix available for 20 years. The 40th anniversary 5.1 remix restores the original sound mix and sounds far better than the previous 5.1 mix.

That’s been talked about a bit here.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Audio-Preservation-Thread/id/15892

This thread refers mainly to visuals.

I suppose you could crop Luke out of this.

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Think I’ve shared this before. Not a comparison of a surround mix to mono but IMO the mono track on the BD of Frankenstein is very flat.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

Ah yes I’m quite familiar with this one, I own the 1999 DVD myself and despite being mastered too quiet it sounds far better and more lifelike than the blu-ray

Yep I have that DVD as well and definitely agree with you.

Think I’ve shared this before. Not a comparison of a surround mix to mono but IMO the mono track on the BD of Frankenstein is very flat.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

I don’t think so. There isn’t a really high quality version of the original scene available. Even this YouTube version of the whole scene is noticeably spliced together from different sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1gkNd6Z_8

RUKUSBUILD3 said:

Thanks CatBus! Was the fullscreen released in a collector’s tin like the widescreen?

Only the WS versions were released in the tin set.

RUKUSBUILD3 said:

OK thanks. How could that have recreated the human Jabba scene on VHS if it had never been released?

The ‘human’ Jabba scene has appeared in various documentaries and featurettes but was never in any version of the film.

KISS are on their supposed tour with two imposters. Still not going. If this is the final SW video release, that’s nice or sad or whatever. However if you want my money you have to include the OUT.