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CatBus said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Benjjedi said:

hairy_hen said:

Those beeping sounds are in the mono mix, but were never used in any of the others until the special edition came along.

It’s also worth noting that the beeps are mixed at a relatively low volume in the mono version, but are much louder in the SE, which is completely typical of all the audio changes made to the soundtracks from 1997 on (everything is loud and in your face rather than leaving any room for subtlety).

Really? Were they not even present in any pre-Special Edition VHS releases?

None of the pre-1997 video releases used the mono mix.

Some content from the mono mix was mixed into the 85 and 93 audio. For example, Threepio’s tractor beam lines and such. But apparently they didn’t do the targeting computer noises until 97.

Yes I know that. I just meant the unaltered mono. I think some sounds from the mono may have been integrated in the 1993 mix as well but I don’t think that included the targeting computer sounds.

boffy said:

I’m reading Anthony Daniels’ book I Am C-3PO, and I’ve just found a slightly different take on the story of one of the first film’s audio differences.

IIRC, the received wisdom is that his whole “tractor beam” line was recorded in a broom cupboard in the UK, and flown over during the mixing process; this is why it was in the mono mix, but not the 1977 stereo/surround one.

Daniels’ version of the story is slightly different.

At some point during editing, they phoned me. […] Would I please go to a studio in London and record an extra line? Of course. What was it?

“That’s holding the ship here.”
“Is that it?”
“Yes. We forgot to say what a tractor beam is actually for.”
Ah
“The tractor beam, that is holding the ship here, is coupled to the main reactor is seven locations.”

It was one of the quickest jobs ever but it worked, once they plopped in the new words. The audience would never know the line was compiled over five thousand miles, and many weeks, apart.

I don’t believe I’ve heard any mix which includes “that is holding the ship here”, though I only have the various 1977 mixes to hand this week. Is it in any other mix, or is there an equivalent in any of the foreign language dubs?

I’m not saying the usual version of the story is wrong. Indeed, it seems to fit the facts better than this new one; Mr. Daniels can be forgiven for mis-remembering something which happened over 40 years ago. I just thought another side of an oft-recounted tale may be of interest to some of you.

Every mix begins with him saying R2 “says he’s found the main control to the power beam that’s holding the ship here. He’ll try to make the precise location appear on the monitor”. The remaining dialogue that follows this is what was added later, this line specifically. “The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in several locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave.”

Benjjedi said:

hairy_hen said:

Those beeping sounds are in the mono mix, but were never used in any of the others until the special edition came along.

It’s also worth noting that the beeps are mixed at a relatively low volume in the mono version, but are much louder in the SE, which is completely typical of all the audio changes made to the soundtracks from 1997 on (everything is loud and in your face rather than leaving any room for subtlety).

Really? Were they not even present in any pre-Special Edition VHS releases?

None of the pre-1997 video releases used the mono mix.

The other day I caught Lethal Weapon 4 on TV and of course the opening logo is plastered but worse! Here’s the original which appears on the DVD releases. The logo segues via explosion to the opening credits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MXLo3eS-o

On TV the other day, the film opened with the current WB logo (basically the same logo here but without the 75 years tie in and I don’t think the music was there either) which fades to black and then it straight cuts back to the old logo at the exact moment the explosion starts! It looks horrible and is unnecessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd1BciCEZTI

I don’t own the BD but considering that was how it appeared on TV and someone in the comment section of the first video mentioned seeing the plastered version on Netflix and the second vid is apparently from Roku I assume the BD has the plastered version.

Edit: someone in the comment section of the second video mentioned that the BD has the original logo so that’s good.

Mocata said:

I’d be far more accepting if there was any honesty involved. Something like Blade Runner, The Lord of the Rings or Amadeus is labelled clearly so you know what’s in the box. Even if certain versions are rarely released. With these it’s still shown as 1977 instead of whatever Special Edition they’re now selling. Those two words don’t appear anywhere.

Nor have they for over 20 years.

Empire

ray_afraid said:

CatBus said:

When the Star Wars audio mix was revised for home video starting in 85, they brought some of the mono mix effects into the stereo/surround tracks. I’m not sure when they incorporated the targeting computer noises, but it was in one of those later revisions.

Would this stereo mix have been attached to the 1980 A New Hope release, or did it not appear until home video?
It’s another reason I’d love to have A New Hope Depecialized.

As he mentioned the remix was done in ‘85.

benduwan said:

yotsuya said:

I don’t see that I’ve commented on this before.

Ep VII Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Ep VIII blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Rogue One Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Solo Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital

And I expect
Ep IX Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
18 disc Blu-ray saga set

why do you buy this 3 times as bluray,dvd and download??
weird…

Because he likely bought the sets that provide those three options.

screams in the void said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

If you’re gonna argue that, I found it extremely jarring as a child the first time I saw the pre-SE version of RotJ with some weird old guy in the place of Anakin.

^ and I am going to guess here that you only saw that pre-SE version after you saw the SE version .

That can be the only explanation. I saw the Shaw scene zillions of time before ‘04 and never had trouble distinguishing who the third Force ghost was. Who else was it supposed to be???

Only going by official releases.

VHS:

mid-1980’s CBS/FOX VHS releases- One set and one sealed copy of ANH

1990 CBS/FOX Trilogy set- two sets including one sealed

1992 Trilogy set- My personal favorite of the sets. I have a few of these including one sealed. Also have the letterboxed set

1995 Faces set- The first SW set I owned. Have three opened and one sealed and also have the WS set.

1997 SE- The second set I owned. Have two FS sets including one sealed and also have the WS set.

TPM- Have two FS copies and three WS sets including one sealed.

ATOC- Two copies

Droids- One copy

DVD:

TPM- Two copies, one WS the other FS

AOTC- Two copies, one WS the other FS

ROTS- Two copies, one WS the other FS

2004 Trilogy set: Two sets, one WS the other FS

2006 DVDs: Two copies, one WS the other FS. WS DVDs came in a Best Buy exclusive tin case.

TFA- One copy

TLJ- One copy

R1- One copy

Anakin Starkiller said:

Even he could chose any form to show himself as, the Shaw form doesn’t make any sense to me.

FTFY

And frankly yes it does make sense. Hayden Anakin represents a character that Luke never knew, a character that became evil, and frankly makes the redemption less meaningful because it implies he’s reverting to his pre-evil self, not a redeemed man. And if you wanna frankly argue that unscarred Shaw never existed, neither did Anakin in those Jedi robes in both scenarios.

I by no means wanna dissuade anyone who has any inkling of getting this set to not do it. If Broom Kid’s wish of isolated scores is granted, good for him and those who want that. I’m not gonna judge him or anyone else on their own choice to buy the set.

However if there are others like myself who feel the lack of the OUT is an automatic no sale that’s ok too. I made the same decision in 2011, 2013, 2015 and this year. Admittedly I’ve almost went through with getting the Complete set just for the extras but even that wasn’t enough of a push. When it’s extras that accommodate films that are modern reinterpretations of their theatrical versions it puts a bad taste in my mouth.

HD or not, history is rewritten and unless the OUT is restored I frankly have no desire to buy these films again. But that’s just me. People are buy the sets regardless of what’s in it either way so it really doesn’t matter how I feel about it.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

I may even go as far to say it’s the other way around.

DuracellEnergizer said:

GlastoEls said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think they’re both improvements. Leaving Ghost Shaw in there would be a plot hole, IMO, as unscarred Shaw never existed.

Doesn’t matter. He’s part of the Force and thus can take on any form of his choice.

What if he wanted to come back as a goose?

Then a goose he would be.

This^

crissrudd4554 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

EyeShotFirst, is there a reason you forgot the image of Yoda on the back cover of ESB?? Also this was discussed in another thread but does anyone by any chance have a logofree version of the ROTJ artwork but with the ‘smaller’ Lando like on the VHS cover?? The only logofree version of that artwork that I can find has ‘larger’ Lando.

Anyone here who can help find that ‘smaller Lando’ print of the ROTJ artwork?? Also does anyone happen to have any large scans of the back covers of these UK covers?? They seem to be the best source for textless or close to textless copies of the '92 back cover collages. Thanks!!

Been a while since I be been in here but anyways anyone new who may be able to help out with that post above???

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think they’re both improvements. Leaving Ghost Shaw in there would be a plot hole, IMO, as unscarred Shaw never existed.

Doesn’t matter. He’s part of the Force and thus can take on any form of his choice.

No OUT, no sale so basically I’m just confirming I have no intention of buying this set.

All movies get dated at some point but that’s the thing. You can’t just treat as you would something that came out last week. People saying how some of the SE changes are ‘improvements’ are missing the point. The originals showcase how far they could take the technology of the time and the current generations are left without a clue as to what they were able to achieve when the films were originally made. And another thing what some may call ‘dated’ in fact is part of a continuous evolution of movie effects. The effects of today wouldn’t exist without the effects of the past.

Creox said:

Slavicuss said:

Creox said:

Does anyone know WHY Lucas stubbornly clings to his decision? Is he embarrassed about the original release or is he just being that controlling of his creation? or is it something else?

I find his decision to date quite puzzling on the surface of it.

Spite. He’s pissed the fans didn’t take to his prequels the way they did the original films. So he denies them the originals they hold dear. That’s my take.

He also believes the original versions came up short (for whatever reasons) and wants to improve them, but that’s no excuse for trying to bury them. All versions can coexist as other box sets (CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, etc) have demonstrated.

I cannot think of another director that has treated one of their films in this manner…does anyone know of one?

Not as dramatic a situation as Star Wars but Milos Forman basically foresworn the theatrical cut of Amadeus after releasing the directors cut.

Ryan-SWI said:

As there remains no proper restoration and release of the OOT, no, I’m not.

It’s 2019. There’s a thousand different options to watch the original version now, it’s not a big deal.

None of those options are official but anyways back to the regular scheduled TROS discussion.

Just came from the movie. I feel very indifferent right now. The following is STRICTLY my OWN opinion! Why hint at something Finn wants to tell Rey and never conclude with it? Rose was a wasted character more in this than Last Jedi! Rey jumping and slicing through Kylo’s TIE Fighter was awesome but it’s impact was diminished by quickly having the showdown that ends with us believing Chewie died. Finding out Chewie was alive made this even more aggravating (don’t get me wrong I’m glad he lives). And frankly this may be the most depressing Star Wars film I’ve ever scene. Even the lightsaber battles seemed weak and unenergetic. Practically everything important, if any, about Last Jedi is wiped from this film. Yes I know J.J. confirmed they were gonna do that but literally I was thinking you could watch Force Awakens then skip to this film and peace together yourself what happened in the middle, that what you need to know at least. There’s so much I could go on with this. I don’t hate this movie but it wasn’t fully a winner for me.

DrDre said:

doubleofive said:

I have an article written that goes through every addition & how each one ruins the movies & shows how none of them were actually done for artistic purposes. I hope when it’s published that it will be the spark that burns down the Special Editions, or at least shows that they are so flawed that we deserve to at least have the option to watch the originals.

This to me seems to be completely beside the point. The OOT debate imo is not about which version is better, which is wholly subjective, but which came first, which is a wholly objective. It is about preserving the history of film, and being able to view the films as they were released in their time warts and all.

This^ and frankly this is why it kinda annoys me when folks say ‘they should remove this but keep that’. That loses the entire point of the situation. I’m not after a ‘compromise’. I want the ORIGINAL VERSION, matte line, poor compositing, wires, and all. A ‘compromise’ is still unfaithful to preserving history.

Density said:

crissrudd4554 said:

27 discs??

My theory on what will be included:

UHDs of each 1-9 (obviously), regular BDs of 1-9, and the same bonus discs from before. That adds up to 27.

No it doesn’t. There were only three bonus discs in the 2011 Blu-ray set, and neither TFA nor TLJ has a bonus disc. The standard Blu-rays of both TFA and TLJ simply include all the special features on the same disc. In TLJ’s case the standard Blu-ray functions as a bonus disc to the UHD for that reason.

So if they just included what’s been released so far, plus ROS and new UHD discs for all the films aside from TLJ, that would only add up to 21 discs.

At the very least they would have to spread everything out to an extra disc per film to get 27 discs. Which would be incredibly inefficient. And I can’t imagine they have enough new features from the sequels alone to make up 6 discs. So we should expect at bare minimum they include a lot more special features for all the films in some shape or form. That may or may not include the OUT.

I stand corrected although there was a disc for additional extras in the 3D set of TFA. If you wanna count that disc, and perhaps the 3D disc of TFA itself, that’s a possible 23. They may also do 3D discs for TLJ and TROS.

27 discs??

My theory on what will be included:

UHDs of each 1-9 (obviously), regular BDs of 1-9, and the same bonus discs from before. That adds up to 27.

Speaking of ‘respecting George’, what’s this I hear that George wasn’t even invited to the premiere of TROS???