crissrudd4554

I suppose you could crop Luke out of this.

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Think I’ve shared this before. Not a comparison of a surround mix to mono but IMO the mono track on the BD of Frankenstein is very flat.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

Ah yes I’m quite familiar with this one, I own the 1999 DVD myself and despite being mastered too quiet it sounds far better and more lifelike than the blu-ray

Yep I have that DVD as well and definitely agree with you.

Think I’ve shared this before. Not a comparison of a surround mix to mono but IMO the mono track on the BD of Frankenstein is very flat.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

I don’t think so. There isn’t a really high quality version of the original scene available. Even this YouTube version of the whole scene is noticeably spliced together from different sources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1gkNd6Z_8

RUKUSBUILD3 said:

Thanks CatBus! Was the fullscreen released in a collector’s tin like the widescreen?

Only the WS versions were released in the tin set.

RUKUSBUILD3 said:

OK thanks. How could that have recreated the human Jabba scene on VHS if it had never been released?

The ‘human’ Jabba scene has appeared in various documentaries and featurettes but was never in any version of the film.

KISS are on their supposed tour with two imposters. Still not going. If this is the final SW video release, that’s nice or sad or whatever. However if you want my money you have to include the OUT.

CatBus said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Benjjedi said:

hairy_hen said:

Those beeping sounds are in the mono mix, but were never used in any of the others until the special edition came along.

It’s also worth noting that the beeps are mixed at a relatively low volume in the mono version, but are much louder in the SE, which is completely typical of all the audio changes made to the soundtracks from 1997 on (everything is loud and in your face rather than leaving any room for subtlety).

Really? Were they not even present in any pre-Special Edition VHS releases?

None of the pre-1997 video releases used the mono mix.

Some content from the mono mix was mixed into the 85 and 93 audio. For example, Threepio’s tractor beam lines and such. But apparently they didn’t do the targeting computer noises until 97.

Yes I know that. I just meant the unaltered mono. I think some sounds from the mono may have been integrated in the 1993 mix as well but I don’t think that included the targeting computer sounds.

boffy said:

I’m reading Anthony Daniels’ book I Am C-3PO, and I’ve just found a slightly different take on the story of one of the first film’s audio differences.

IIRC, the received wisdom is that his whole “tractor beam” line was recorded in a broom cupboard in the UK, and flown over during the mixing process; this is why it was in the mono mix, but not the 1977 stereo/surround one.

Daniels’ version of the story is slightly different.

At some point during editing, they phoned me. […] Would I please go to a studio in London and record an extra line? Of course. What was it?

“That’s holding the ship here.”
“Is that it?”
“Yes. We forgot to say what a tractor beam is actually for.”
Ah
“The tractor beam, that is holding the ship here, is coupled to the main reactor is seven locations.”

It was one of the quickest jobs ever but it worked, once they plopped in the new words. The audience would never know the line was compiled over five thousand miles, and many weeks, apart.

I don’t believe I’ve heard any mix which includes “that is holding the ship here”, though I only have the various 1977 mixes to hand this week. Is it in any other mix, or is there an equivalent in any of the foreign language dubs?

I’m not saying the usual version of the story is wrong. Indeed, it seems to fit the facts better than this new one; Mr. Daniels can be forgiven for mis-remembering something which happened over 40 years ago. I just thought another side of an oft-recounted tale may be of interest to some of you.

Every mix begins with him saying R2 “says he’s found the main control to the power beam that’s holding the ship here. He’ll try to make the precise location appear on the monitor”. The remaining dialogue that follows this is what was added later, this line specifically. “The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in several locations. A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to leave.”

Benjjedi said:

hairy_hen said:

Those beeping sounds are in the mono mix, but were never used in any of the others until the special edition came along.

It’s also worth noting that the beeps are mixed at a relatively low volume in the mono version, but are much louder in the SE, which is completely typical of all the audio changes made to the soundtracks from 1997 on (everything is loud and in your face rather than leaving any room for subtlety).

Really? Were they not even present in any pre-Special Edition VHS releases?

None of the pre-1997 video releases used the mono mix.

The other day I caught Lethal Weapon 4 on TV and of course the opening logo is plastered but worse! Here’s the original which appears on the DVD releases. The logo segues via explosion to the opening credits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09MXLo3eS-o

On TV the other day, the film opened with the current WB logo (basically the same logo here but without the 75 years tie in and I don’t think the music was there either) which fades to black and then it straight cuts back to the old logo at the exact moment the explosion starts! It looks horrible and is unnecessary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd1BciCEZTI

I don’t own the BD but considering that was how it appeared on TV and someone in the comment section of the first video mentioned seeing the plastered version on Netflix and the second vid is apparently from Roku I assume the BD has the plastered version.

Edit: someone in the comment section of the second video mentioned that the BD has the original logo so that’s good.

Mocata said:

I’d be far more accepting if there was any honesty involved. Something like Blade Runner, The Lord of the Rings or Amadeus is labelled clearly so you know what’s in the box. Even if certain versions are rarely released. With these it’s still shown as 1977 instead of whatever Special Edition they’re now selling. Those two words don’t appear anywhere.

Nor have they for over 20 years.

Empire

ray_afraid said:

CatBus said:

When the Star Wars audio mix was revised for home video starting in 85, they brought some of the mono mix effects into the stereo/surround tracks. I’m not sure when they incorporated the targeting computer noises, but it was in one of those later revisions.

Would this stereo mix have been attached to the 1980 A New Hope release, or did it not appear until home video?
It’s another reason I’d love to have A New Hope Depecialized.

As he mentioned the remix was done in ‘85.

benduwan said:

yotsuya said:

I don’t see that I’ve commented on this before.

Ep VII Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Ep VIII blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Rogue One Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
Solo Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital

And I expect
Ep IX Blu-ray/DVD/Digital
18 disc Blu-ray saga set

why do you buy this 3 times as bluray,dvd and download??
weird…

Because he likely bought the sets that provide those three options.

screams in the void said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

If you’re gonna argue that, I found it extremely jarring as a child the first time I saw the pre-SE version of RotJ with some weird old guy in the place of Anakin.

^ and I am going to guess here that you only saw that pre-SE version after you saw the SE version .

That can be the only explanation. I saw the Shaw scene zillions of time before ‘04 and never had trouble distinguishing who the third Force ghost was. Who else was it supposed to be???

Only going by official releases.

VHS:

mid-1980’s CBS/FOX VHS releases- One set and one sealed copy of ANH

1990 CBS/FOX Trilogy set- two sets including one sealed

1992 Trilogy set- My personal favorite of the sets. I have a few of these including one sealed. Also have the letterboxed set

1995 Faces set- The first SW set I owned. Have three opened and one sealed and also have the WS set.

1997 SE- The second set I owned. Have two FS sets including one sealed and also have the WS set.

TPM- Have two FS copies and three WS sets including one sealed.

ATOC- Two copies

Droids- One copy

DVD:

TPM- Two copies, one WS the other FS

AOTC- Two copies, one WS the other FS

ROTS- Two copies, one WS the other FS

2004 Trilogy set: Two sets, one WS the other FS

2006 DVDs: Two copies, one WS the other FS. WS DVDs came in a Best Buy exclusive tin case.

TFA- One copy

TLJ- One copy

R1- One copy

Anakin Starkiller said:

Even he could chose any form to show himself as, the Shaw form doesn’t make any sense to me.

FTFY

And frankly yes it does make sense. Hayden Anakin represents a character that Luke never knew, a character that became evil, and frankly makes the redemption less meaningful because it implies he’s reverting to his pre-evil self, not a redeemed man. And if you wanna frankly argue that unscarred Shaw never existed, neither did Anakin in those Jedi robes in both scenarios.

I by no means wanna dissuade anyone who has any inkling of getting this set to not do it. If Broom Kid’s wish of isolated scores is granted, good for him and those who want that. I’m not gonna judge him or anyone else on their own choice to buy the set.

However if there are others like myself who feel the lack of the OUT is an automatic no sale that’s ok too. I made the same decision in 2011, 2013, 2015 and this year. Admittedly I’ve almost went through with getting the Complete set just for the extras but even that wasn’t enough of a push. When it’s extras that accommodate films that are modern reinterpretations of their theatrical versions it puts a bad taste in my mouth.

HD or not, history is rewritten and unless the OUT is restored I frankly have no desire to buy these films again. But that’s just me. People are buy the sets regardless of what’s in it either way so it really doesn’t matter how I feel about it.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Marjorie Eaton with chimp eyes looks like “a guy in a cheap mask”, whilst Ian McDiarmid in cheap ROTS makeup looks “remastered”.

I don’t share that opinion, either.

I may even go as far to say it’s the other way around.

DuracellEnergizer said:

GlastoEls said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think they’re both improvements. Leaving Ghost Shaw in there would be a plot hole, IMO, as unscarred Shaw never existed.

Doesn’t matter. He’s part of the Force and thus can take on any form of his choice.

What if he wanted to come back as a goose?

Then a goose he would be.

This^

crissrudd4554 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

EyeShotFirst, is there a reason you forgot the image of Yoda on the back cover of ESB?? Also this was discussed in another thread but does anyone by any chance have a logofree version of the ROTJ artwork but with the ‘smaller’ Lando like on the VHS cover?? The only logofree version of that artwork that I can find has ‘larger’ Lando.

Anyone here who can help find that ‘smaller Lando’ print of the ROTJ artwork?? Also does anyone happen to have any large scans of the back covers of these UK covers?? They seem to be the best source for textless or close to textless copies of the '92 back cover collages. Thanks!!

Been a while since I be been in here but anyways anyone new who may be able to help out with that post above???

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think they’re both improvements. Leaving Ghost Shaw in there would be a plot hole, IMO, as unscarred Shaw never existed.

Doesn’t matter. He’s part of the Force and thus can take on any form of his choice.

No OUT, no sale so basically I’m just confirming I have no intention of buying this set.

All movies get dated at some point but that’s the thing. You can’t just treat as you would something that came out last week. People saying how some of the SE changes are ‘improvements’ are missing the point. The originals showcase how far they could take the technology of the time and the current generations are left without a clue as to what they were able to achieve when the films were originally made. And another thing what some may call ‘dated’ in fact is part of a continuous evolution of movie effects. The effects of today wouldn’t exist without the effects of the past.