TV's Frink said:
I don't inbox anyone. I'm not sure it's legal where I live.
Nevermind. I'll deal with it myself.
Hi, I've asked about this a while back and i'm sure others have asked the same but I guess I can ask again. Anyone know of any programs that can burn the movie file to a standard DVD with multiple audio tracks? I was sent a few suggestions but nothing have seemed to work. The closest I came to was using a program called ConvertX on Windows. It burnt a DVD with the tracks but the image quality came out a bit pixely. I have Nero but Nero will only burn one audio track. Also our Windows computer no longer works so I now use Mac. Someone suggested multiAVCHD which I tried using on Mac using Crossover but conversion of the file failed. I do not have a BluRay player and do not feel the need to get one as of now so please dont suggest that I get one. Im fine with standard DVD for now. If anyone could help me please inbox me. Thank you.
Avatar_Emil said:
BD: Both Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and mono sound is available on the 70th Anniversary Blu-ray. Mono is unavailable on the 75th Anniversary Blu-Ray. Mono is altered.
Thanks for pointing that out since I was gonna post that the 75th Anniversary BluRay has the mono not the DVD version.
Avatar_Emil said:
Not really. The 5.1 mix is made of 3 parts:
1. Restored mono track
2. Isolated orchestra angles
3. Isolated music and effects track
Out of all of these, there is but one change found only on the mono track and that is the removal of Judy Garland's stutter around when she says "Oh, Toto!" in Kansas. And really? They are removing the mono track for the 3d rerelease this year? What's your source?
I was lookin on Amazon.com at the packaging of the upcoming BluRay and DVD release and it said English 5.1. No mention of the mono track.
captainsolo said: The classic Uni monster films are never going to have much fidelity, especially the early ones being typically poorly sourced from sound disc copies that were improperly stored. The restored lines from Frankenstein were found by a collector by picking up a sound disk and then finally convincing Universal to include them. I'd like to try the LD editions as some are digital sound, and the early Discovision releases are supposedly transferred from original nitrate. (These look like NOTHING else) And personally I love the way the old copies sound at full blast, complete with hiss and crackle-even VHS.
I'm a big Universal Monster fan and have been picky about the sound mixes of these films. The 1999 DVDs for Dracula and Frankenstein for me had the best audio of the 3 DVD releases of those films although Frankenstein was rather quiet. For the 2004 and 2006 DVDs Universal went with mixes that for me sounded hissy and a bit muffled. Then came the Blu-Rays last year. Dracula looked and sounded excellent. Frankenstein looked good too but they used the same soundtrack from the two previous DVDs. I was hoping they would revert back to either the soundtrack from the 1999 DVD and just increase the volume or another cleaner version like the one used on the 1991 VHS which I have. It wasn't just the sound quality that disappointed me. There were portions of the soundtrack missing as well. I made two videos demonstrating the differences between the VHS and the BD. One that demonstrates the clarity of the mix and another pointing out the missing bits. I posted these to Classic Horror Film Board and got a mix response. Here they are incase anyone here would like to take a look.
https://vimeo.com/56206935
https://vimeo.com/57318682
Well as some of you may know Wizard of Oz is being rereleased on video this year for like the 600th time!! :P Unlike the last couple releases which included a 5.1 track and the original mono track this release only features the 5.1 drops the mono track. Is this a loss?? Were changes made for this film's 5.1 track?????
Mine is 10.5.8. I converted it to .ts. The default program for the file is MPEG Streamclip. However, when I play the clip in this program I don't hear anything.
I have a question. I tried downloading mkvtoolnix but it won't work on my version of mac so I downloaded tsmuxer. I used another program to create a WAV file but that file wouldn't open in tsmuxer so I created an AAC file which did open in tsmuxer. Here's my question. When I'm using tsmuxer do I want to use the file that the program creates after I click Start Muxing or do I wanna create a meta file and use that one?? Thank you.
It depends. As I mentioned before there were some extra sound effects added to the 2002 enhanced version and some of these sound effects were added to the DVD of the 1982 version. I was hoping this would be corrected on the Blu Ray version. Since I don't have a Blu Ray player I bought the DVD version which has the print used on the BD. Except for the radio static I mentioned eariler the new sound effects still remain. One thing I also noticed on this version was in the scene where they take off at the end to escape the police there's a peculiar transition in audio during the close up shot of the cop raising the rifle. It almost sounds like mono but cuts back to stereo when it cuts to Elliot closing his eyes. Was there a cut and paste job done here when they were restoring the original footage? It didn't sound this way on the 2002 DVD of the 82 version. So in answer to your question it depends. On DVDs of the 82 version in the scene where the mom and Michael are arguing about his costume he goes 'Please?' and she goes 'No that is final. You're not going as a terrorist' and he responds 'All the guys are'. However none of the VHS editions I've seen have the terrorist line. I guess we can all say there's been alterations done to all the mixes of the film.
TServo2049 said:
It really confuses me when older movies have alterations in their mono tracks. It happened with The Wizard of Oz, it happened with Frankenstein, it happened with Dracula. I think it's because due to the age of these films, the mono tracks are now restorations/reassemblies, not just direct transfers of an original mono element.
Yeah it is very strange. For example the 2004 DVD of Dracula strangely uses the censored audio track that removes Renfield's death scream and Dracula's death groans yet the 1999 and 2006 DVDs and the Blu Ray use the uncensored audio. What was going through Universal's mind in 2004 is a mystery. I also wasn't fond how when E.T. was released on DVD that some of the new sound effects added to the 2002 reissue was added to the DVD of the original. An example would be when they police are running to the evacuated van and you hear walkie talkie static.
I'd also like to mention a few sound bits from various films that are heard in only some video releases. In Willy Wonka when Charlie and Grandpa sing the Godlen Ticket song the mother interupts at the end. I have the 1994 VHS and she says 'Wait! Stop!'. All versions I've seen from the 1996 VHS onward she just says 'Stop!'. I have the 1991 Fullscreen VHS and 1995 Letterboxed VHS of Jaws. After Chrissie meets her demise we see a wave wash over the drunk guy. On the VHS you can hear him burp. You can't hear this on none of the DVDs regardless if you're watching it with the 5.1 or the mono. Also when the boom holding the cage snaps and almost hits Brody, you can hear him go 'Ahhh'. This is drowned out on the DVD in both mixes. In Frankenstein (1931), theres the scene where the two doctors go down to the cellar and discover the Monster has killed the Hunchback. When they storm down the stairs you can hear the Monster growl. On my VHS and even the 1999 DVD the growl echoes. On the 2004 and 2006 DVDs and the Blu Ray the echoe is gone. I should also like to mention that I compared the VHS and Blu Ray audios of Frankenstein and clarity wise I think my VHS sounds better.
I was never a fan of the remixed Jaws and Terminator. I owned them on VHS before DVD and so was exposed to the original mixes. The first DVD of Terminator I got was the 1997 Image Entertainment release. A few years later I got the 2001 Special Edition DVD and wasn't fond of the 5.1 remix. Fortunately the original mono was included but in my opinion the IE DVD sounded much better. Gunshots were much louder. I got the 25th Anniversary Jaws DVD during Christmas 2002 and was disappointed to learn that the 5.1 remix, which I had already loathed at this point since i had previously gotten the 25th Ann. VHS, was the default mix and the original was not included. Come 2005 I learn about the 30th Ann. DVD. While it was neat to learn about some new features like the photo journal and full 2 hour doc., the real selling point for me was that the original mono track would be included. This has been my preferred release ever since. I don't own a Blu ray player so obviously don't have that release. However I will pick it up if I ever do get a player and I am aware that the mono is included on that release. I am disappointed however to know that none of the BD releases of Terminator don't include the mono which I really consider a loss. It's not just those films. Grease has a pretty bad remix as well and the original is not included on any of the DVD/BD releases. It's not just remixing! Some releases just sound better than others. I have the Image Entertainment DVDs of Robocop and they sound better in my opinion than the MGM releases. Nothing was changed but sound wise the old DVDs sound better I feel. I even purchased Robo off itunes a few years back and that version sounds better than the MGM DVD in my opinion.
Not sure anyone shared this but someone made a pretty good comparison video of the mono and the 5.1. I did not make this.
I didn't make this but it appears someone was able to match the mono from the laserdisc with the BluRay!! I still think the mono is more superior than the remix!!!
pittrek said:
Sorry, but what do you mean with "original file" ? What do you have ? The mkv or the AVCHD ISO file ? If you have the mkv file, no, you can't burn it on a DVD without re-encoding it, of course. If you have the AVCHD ISO you should be able to simply burn the iso file, but your DVD player has to be able to play AVCHD
Yes I meant the original mkv file and actually it was the mkv file that I burnt when I used ConvertX.
CatBus said:
crissrudd4554 said:
Sssoo. Has anyone successfully burnt this to a DVD with the multiple audio tracks?
Lots of times. Just use muxman and imgburn and you can't go wrong.
You can find lots of helpful suggestions reading through the thread starting on this page: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-STAR-WARS-Despecialized-Edition-HD-REMASTERED-is-now-released/post/609884/
If you need help with more technical specifics behind any of those offered solutions, the Technical & Howto forum would be a better place to ask those questions.
I don't believe that will work because i use Mac to do much of my stuff now that my HP laptop is shot. Also i tried using imgburn once and it didnt work. Someone recommended multiAVCHD which I also tried using but the program failed during conversion. I did successfully burn a DVD on my mother's Dell laptop using ConvertX but the quality was a bit boxy. Truthfully, my trusted DVD burning software is Nero but that program as far as I'm aware does not burn multiple audio tracks. I should also add I'm not looking to convert the movie to a file to burn to DVD. Im hoping to just simply burn the original file.
Sssoo. Has anyone successfully burnt this to a DVD with the multiple audio tracks?
digitalfreaknyc said:
That's really strange. I was always told it was the Olivia Newton-john song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9phn7KNp9qQ
Here's the original song. It begins just as the beach scene begins and plays for about half of the scene around up to the point where Brody makes the 'bad hat' comment where a different song can be heard (possibly the ONJ song you mentioned). Most pre-1995 releases feature an alternate song that's more guitar oriented. It sounds a bit similar to 'In The Evening' by Led Zeppelin but that song was 1979.
The track removed from previous home video versions was 'Having My Baby' by Paul Anka which was played during the beach scene involving the death of the Kitner boy. Most pre-1995 releases feature an alternate song (title I dont know). However, I have a few copies of the 1983 pan and scan VHS and while most feature the replaced song, one of them I believe has the original song. On another note, one thing that I'm surprised is absent on current releases is Cassidy's burp after Chrissie is pulled under. I was watching the 1995 VHS a few months ago and compared it to the 5.1 and mono tracks on the DVD and if you listen carefully you can faintly hear it but nowhere near as clear than on the VHS. I noticed other things that sounded more up front on the VHS than the DVD. Examples include the dialogue when the shark tugs the boat and Brody's yelp when the wires holding the cage snap.
This comment is only for those of you who appear to misinterpret what I've been questioning about. I know in my previous posts I've tried my best to explain my situation but I think its misleading you guys into thinking Im asking about something else. I won't go into detail this time so here it goes. How do I burn (burn meaning popping a blank DVD into my computer and pressing burn) Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition to DVD with the additional audio tracks?
box said:
I think you're missing something fundamental. You don't need a program that will "burn multiple audio tracks". All those well known programs will burn multiple audio tracks fine. They may have trouble burning if you're passing them a bunch of files that approximate a DVD folder hierarchy. But if a DVD has been properly authored with multiple tracks and exists as a single image file (iso, etc.) these programs will burn that fine. At that pont it's just the binary representation and they have no idea if it's a data DVD or a video DVD or what - they simple burn the bits to the disc. End of story.
Not from what I have been messin with. I made a DVD of the mkv file of v2.0 about a month or two ago with Burn and it only incorporated one audio track. I tried looking more into it with Nero and other programs. From what I've read Nero does not support multiple audio tracks. And everytime I try opening the file in Toast the program freezes. So I'm sorry to say that most of the programs I'm using do not work to my satisfaction. I hate to keep coming back with all this but this has not been easy for me and all I seek are some tips.
box said:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/How-Tos-and-Technical-Discussions/forum/12/
And for the record, the DVD5 they're talking about is a file that you burn (or mount) without alteration - it's an exact image of the DVD that will fit on a single-layer physical DVD. Where to find the DVD5 is on-topic here, but this level of trouble-shooting is not really on-topic.
Well I'll look into it more. If that's what the DVD5 is then it will do me no good. I wouldn't know what to with it. I can't burn it to a disc if I don't have a program that's designed to burn discs with multiple audio tracks. More well know programs that burn DVDs (Toast, Nero, Windows DVD Maker, etc.) only burn one track. I'll look up the Imgburn and see where that leads me.
YanniD said:
There are some really cheap Bluray players (<$100) that do a very serviceable job playing back HD material from optical disc or usb drive.
Burning a DVD is the easiest part: use Imgburn with ISO/UDF 1.02 format.
The harder part is transcoding: if you do it yourself, use DVD9 as you won't be able to get the same quality as the DVD5 without Harmy's source and tweaks. Before there were single programs to do conversion, you had to use multiple freeware programs, but it gave you fine control over the process. If you can get the mpeg2 video file and the soundtracks, you can mux them together with Ifoedit into a basic DVD structure. When using 24fps video, you will also need a program to add the pulldown flags.
As someone else suggested, just get the existing DVD5.
Well I'll look up Imgburn and check it out. If that doesn't work where do I find the DVD5? Is it an actual disc or is it just a file that even if I got it I would simply have to burn it to a disc myself which would bring me back to the problem that has brought me here?
YanniD said:
Since everything is going Bluray now, wouldn't it be easier to invest in a media player or cheap Bluray player that will at least playback HD from a flashdrive and output at whatever resolution you want?
If you still want a DVD, burn to DVD9 as DVD5 is much too compressed and will produce artifacts.
IIRC DVD is limited to a combined maximum bitrate of 10Mbps for the sum of all tracks: as you increase the number of audio tracks, the maximum bitrate of the video track must reduce.
Well, I don't really have money for a Bluray player right now so I dont really plan on going in that direction at the moment. But the thing is I need a program or software that will burn the DVD with the tracks. I can't just burn the DVD when the only programs I can really get my hands on at the moment will only incorporate one track. If I need to attempt to run the mkv file through multiAVCHD in order to get it to DVD appropriate quality then fine but I need a program that will burn the movie to a disc with the tracks. Perhaps I'll try converting the movie through multiAVCHD again and then burn it to a DVD with ConvertX. My only thing with ConvertX is when the DVD was finalized the movie was a bit boxy in some areas but maybe if its burning a file thats DVD quality it'll look better. If anyone knows of any good programs that burn DVDs with different audio tracks please let me know.
analog said:
crissrudd4554 said:
crissrudd4554 said:
Hi again guys. I tried multiAVCHD but it failed during the conversion process. Didn't matter because I realized afterwards that this wasn't what I was looking for anyways. From what I could see it would convert the movie to a DVD file which I would open in another program then burn it to DVD. That's not exactly what I was going for. I'm trying to BURN it to a DVD with the audio tracks and still retain a good percentage of the high quality. I burnt the original file the other month ago with Burn but 1. The DVD skipped in a few areas 2. It only incorporated 1 audio track 3. Quality was fair but a bit boxy in some areas. I opened the original file with Nero but Nero will only incorporate one audio track. I think the same goes for Toast. The only program I've used to burn a DVD of the DeSpecialized edition that also incorporated the audio tracks was ConvertX. However, the quality was essentially the same as Burn, a bit boxy in some areas. So I ask again does anyone know any programs that will BURN the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks and decent quality.
Anybody got anything?
There has already been a DVD conversion, but I don't know where it's available, or what audio track(s) it contains.. Do you mean to burn to a DVD with ALL of the audio tracks included in the other editions? That would be unrealistic, if you also expect high quality video...
Your best bet is one or two audio tracks, and even better, to author a "DVD9" formatted version if you really want the best quality. MPEG2 converted from these just isn't going to be "perfect" unless you do some very specific things - encoding for it requires specific knowledge of the codec, a good encoder, and some tricks that you might not be familiar with...If a good existing DVD conversion is still out there, perhaps somebody can PM you?
For encoding, there are other forums/websites that might be better suited to this topic..
If the DVD doesn't exist, I'd be willing to give it a shot, but only with blessings, and even then, it'd only be really worth it if it turns out nice enough to be worthwhile.
No I do not want all the tracks. The ConvertX program I used before allowed me to select which tracks I wanted. MultiAVCHD also allowed me to do this however when I used that program it failed during conversion. Also I think if conversion on that program had been successful it would have only converted it to a folder and I would have to use another program to burn the DVD. But that's my problem. I need a program that will burn the movie with the tracks. Nero only converts one track, Toast only converts one track, Burn only converts one track. The only program that i have used that burnt the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks of my choice is ConvertX but the picture quality was a bit boxy in some areas, not the regular quality of an average DVD. I'm not saying the DVD has to be HD but at least the normal quality for a DVD.