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Well for me there's two SE's. 1997 and 2004. 2011 version just doesn't exist to me. Of the two SE's I prefer 1997 but my favorite overall version of the Trilogy is the original. However, there is no definitive version of the original we must remember, particularly of the first film. It was released in 1977 with three different sound mixes, in 1981 it was given the 'Episode IV A New Hope' title in the crawl, Ben Burt remixed the soundtrack in 1985 for video release, the sound was remixed again in 1993 for laserdisc which was carried over for the 1995 laserdisc and VHS (and the 2006 DVD). That's only a short list. So essentially there really is no definitive version of the original. And imperialscum I'm sorry for your pain. Thats sorta what I meant when I said I'm ecstatic and upset. Ecstatic because me and all the other OUT loving fans are finally (maybe) getting a restored version of the original trilogy while the SE fans like yourself may not get your preferred version, i.e. the Special Edition.

I got the 'Five Star Collection' DVDs in 2003 for Christmas. They're ok however they freeze in certain DVD players. They'll probably play smoother in more modern DVD players. Also the covers claim they're 'Anamorphic Widescreen' but they are not.

Well if the rumors are true, I'm both ecstatic and a bit upset, mostly ecstatic. My preferred version of the SW Trilogy will always be the original. My first Trilogy was the 'One Last Time' VHS set from 1995 so that's how far back I go with the originals. After being treated to the poorly transferred DVD releases in 2006 any news that the originals are getting a restoration job is a huge thumbs up on my end. I'm always for preserving things in their original form and the OUT deserves to be preserved. To that end I'm ecstatic. Now to why I'm a bit upset. It was actually pointed out earlier in this thread that other sites are discussing what changes should remain from the SE. Now I'll even admit that there are minor changes from the SE I wouldn't mind being inserted into the originals (removal of matte lines, lightsaber adjustments, etc.) but thats about it. However at the same time I feel that's detrimental to keeping them to their true original form. I'm also torn between the idea on whether or not I want 'Episode IV A New Hope' in the opening crawl. On one hand without it its true to the 1977 theatrical version but on another hand it doesn't fit well with the chronology of the series. Going back to how people are discussing what should stay and go I'll admit I'm one of those people where I want everyone to be happy. We must understand that there are as many SE followers as OUT fans. My view is that both should be packaged together similar to how they were in '06 but of course featuring the restored original! That way its even for everyone. :)

russs15 said:

 

I have found a few more "quirks" with various videos in my PAL VHS collection. Here are the old and new ones along with a few screenshots to show what I have found.

 

1 Wrong audio

The 1987, 1988 and 1989 Fullscreen versions of ANH do not have the Threepio tractor beam line so therefore do not have the recognised 1985 Ben Burtt remix sound track.

2 No Fox Fanfare

This has been known for a while but the 1995 THX "Last time only" versions of ESB and ROTJ (both Full and Widescreen) do not have the Fox Fanfare.

They go from this...

to this...

to this...

missing out this on ESB...

and this on ROTJ.

However, I have just realised that the 1987 re-release of ANH does something similar.

It goes from this...

to this...

missing out this.

 

Finally

3 Interupted Fox fanfare

On the initial 1982 Fullscreen ANH, as the Fox Fanfare is playing, an announcer talks over the Fanfare as follows  "20th Century Fox Video presents."

EDIT

4 Another odd thing I have found is that the 1995 ANH Fullscreen release Fox Logo has changed from the slanting 0 to the upright 0 like this...

The weird thing is that ALL the Widescreen PAL ANH releases also have the original slanting 0, even the 1995 THX Last time only and 1995 Executor box set. It just goes to show the inconsistency in the release of Star Wars films on video in the UK.

 

 

Most if not all US editions of ANH on VHS in FS prior to 1995 have the the none slanted 0 Fox logo. The 1995 US release in FS features the slanted 0. One reason I find this interesting is 'cause the 1992 FS copy of ANH features the none slanted 0 while the 1992 WS VHS edition features the slanted 0. 

Just opinion but yeah 'Bring my shuttle' is way better. Fits better as mentioned before that he is angry over Luke slipping way from him. Why wouldn't he be? And really I just find it awkward having outtake footage of Vader from ROTJ where he exits his shuttle and we clearly see Commander Jerjerrod standing before him and even beginning his dialogue! Again just opinion.

Someone probably noted this but going back to the opening crawl to ANH in the '81 version of the film the Star Wars logo disappears before the crawl starts yet all other versions have it just like the rest of the series where it fades out as the crawl starts.

dwalkerdon23 said: It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

I've listened to the 4.0 mix. It's not much different from the 5.1 mix even though the 4.0 mix is listed as the original. I still prefer the Image & Criterion versions. One thing I'd like to know is if on the 4k release is the flashback shot of Joe and Emil when Murphy is operated on has been fixed. On the last release this shot came out very dark and you could hardly spot them.

Good point. I guess it does depend on the elements that are used. For example I think the audio on the Image and Criterion DVDs for RoboCop sound much better than any of the MGM releases. Nothing particularly different but it just seems like its mixed better. For example, check out the scene where Clarences gang open fire  on the open highway before realizing Murphy and Lewis have maneuvered the car to the side of the van. The gun shots sound a lot better on the older release. They seem a bit watered down in the MGM releases. Interestingly, I have the MGM version of RoboCop for itunes and that version sounds better than the MGM DVDs! 

I'm also curious as to how the mono of Jaws is on the Blu-Ray. I have the 2012 DVD and after watching it with the mono I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD is somewhat better. I noticed a little more clarity on the older release. One thing I noticed is that the sound of the shark crushing up the cage around 1:56:07 sounds a bit drowned out on the mono mix on the 2012 DVD than the 2005 DVD. I also was checking out the 2012 DVD for E.T. and the music sounds odd during the close up shot of the agents rifle. It sounds like it almost switches to a mono mix and cuts back to regular when it cuts to Elliott closing his eyes. Anyone got anything on this???

Avatar_Emil said: IT DOES? How do you know that? I was under the impression that the 75th anniversary Blu-ray DIDN'T have mono. Also, according to this, there was a DVD release which did have mono, if not two.

 This article on bluray.com on the release does confirm a mono mix.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Wizard-of-Oz-3D-Blu-ray/72226/#Review

Someone for the fun of it should re-add the Orion Home Video/Orion Pictures combo logo that was featured on the original vhs for nostalgic purposes. Sure this wouldn't match the original theatrical presentation but it would still be interesting.

TV's Frink said: So...you're going to masturbate?

 No but I'll leave you to your business. :P

TV's Frink said:

I don't inbox anyone.  I'm not sure it's legal where I live.

 Nevermind. I'll deal with it myself.

Hi, I've asked about this a while back and i'm sure others have asked the same but I guess I can ask again. Anyone know of any programs that can burn the movie file to a standard DVD with multiple audio tracks? I was sent a few suggestions but nothing have seemed to work. The closest I came to was using a program called ConvertX on Windows. It burnt a DVD with the tracks but the image quality came out a bit pixely. I have Nero but Nero will only burn one audio track. Also our Windows computer no longer works so I now use Mac. Someone suggested multiAVCHD which I tried using on Mac using Crossover but conversion of the file failed. I do not have a BluRay player and do not feel the need to get one as of now so please dont suggest that I get one. Im fine with standard DVD for now. If anyone could help me please inbox me. Thank you.

Avatar_Emil said:

BD: Both Dolby TrueHD 5.1 and mono sound is available on the 70th Anniversary Blu-ray. Mono is unavailable on the 75th Anniversary Blu-Ray. Mono is altered.

Thanks for pointing that out since I was gonna post that the 75th Anniversary BluRay has the mono not the DVD version.

Avatar_Emil said:

Not really. The 5.1 mix is made of 3 parts: 

1. Restored mono track

2. Isolated orchestra angles

3. Isolated music and effects track

Out of all of these, there is but one change found only on the mono track and that is the removal of Judy Garland's stutter around when she says "Oh, Toto!" in Kansas. And really? They are removing the mono track for the 3d rerelease this year? What's your source?

I was lookin on Amazon.com at the packaging of the upcoming BluRay and DVD release and it said English 5.1. No mention of the mono track.

captainsolo said: The classic Uni monster films are never going to have much fidelity, especially the early ones being typically poorly sourced from sound disc copies that were improperly stored. The restored lines from Frankenstein were found by a collector by picking up a sound disk and then finally convincing Universal to include them. I'd like to try the LD editions as some are digital sound, and the early Discovision releases are supposedly transferred from original nitrate. (These look like NOTHING else) And personally I love the way the old copies sound at full blast, complete with hiss and crackle-even VHS.

I'm a big Universal Monster fan and have been picky about the sound mixes of these films. The 1999 DVDs for Dracula and Frankenstein for me had the best audio of the 3 DVD releases of those films although Frankenstein was rather quiet. For the 2004 and 2006 DVDs Universal went with mixes that for me sounded hissy and a bit muffled. Then came the Blu-Rays last year. Dracula looked and sounded excellent. Frankenstein looked good too but they used the same soundtrack from the two previous DVDs. I was hoping they would revert back to either the soundtrack from the 1999 DVD and just increase the volume or another cleaner version like the one used on the 1991 VHS which I have. It wasn't just the sound quality that disappointed me. There were portions of the soundtrack missing as well. I made two videos demonstrating the differences between the VHS and the BD. One that demonstrates the clarity of the mix and another pointing out the missing bits. I posted these to Classic Horror Film Board and got a mix response. Here they are incase anyone here would like to take a look.

https://vimeo.com/56206935

https://vimeo.com/57318682

Well as some of you may know Wizard of Oz is being rereleased on video this year for like the 600th time!! :P Unlike the last couple releases which included a 5.1 track and the original mono track this release only features the 5.1 drops the mono track. Is this a loss?? Were changes made for this film's 5.1 track?????

Mine is 10.5.8. I converted it to .ts. The default program for the file is MPEG Streamclip. However, when I play the clip in this program I don't hear anything.

I have a question. I tried downloading mkvtoolnix but it won't work on my version of mac so I downloaded tsmuxer. I used another program to create a WAV file but that file wouldn't open in tsmuxer so I created an AAC file which did open in tsmuxer. Here's my question. When I'm using tsmuxer do I want to use the file that the program creates after I click Start Muxing or do I wanna create a meta file and use that one?? Thank you.

It depends. As I mentioned before there were some extra sound effects added to the 2002 enhanced version and some of these sound effects were added to the DVD of the 1982 version. I was hoping this would be corrected on the Blu Ray version. Since I don't have a Blu Ray player I bought the DVD version which has the print used on the BD. Except for the radio static I mentioned eariler the new sound effects still remain. One thing I also noticed on this version was in the scene where they take off at the end to escape the police there's a peculiar transition in audio during the close up shot of the cop raising the rifle. It almost sounds like mono but cuts back to stereo when it cuts to Elliot closing his eyes. Was there a cut and paste job done here when they were restoring the original footage? It didn't sound this way on the 2002 DVD of the 82 version. So in answer to your question it depends. On DVDs of the 82 version in the scene where the mom and Michael are arguing about his costume he goes 'Please?' and she goes 'No that is final. You're not going as a terrorist' and he responds 'All the guys are'. However none of the VHS editions I've seen have the terrorist line. I guess we can all say there's been alterations done to all the mixes of the film.

TServo2049 said:

It really confuses me when older movies have alterations in their mono tracks. It happened with The Wizard of Oz, it happened with Frankenstein, it happened with Dracula. I think it's because due to the age of these films, the mono tracks are now restorations/reassemblies, not just direct transfers of an original mono element.

Yeah it is very strange. For example the 2004 DVD of Dracula strangely uses the censored audio track that removes Renfield's death scream and Dracula's death groans yet the 1999 and 2006 DVDs and the Blu Ray use the uncensored audio. What was going through Universal's mind in 2004 is a mystery. I also wasn't fond how when E.T. was released on DVD that some of the new sound effects added to the 2002 reissue was added to the DVD of the original. An example would be when they police are running to the evacuated van and you hear walkie talkie static.

I'd also like to mention a few sound bits from various films that are heard in only some video releases. In Willy Wonka when Charlie and Grandpa sing the Godlen Ticket song the mother interupts at the end. I have the 1994 VHS and she says 'Wait! Stop!'. All versions I've seen from the 1996 VHS onward she just says 'Stop!'. I have the 1991 Fullscreen VHS and 1995 Letterboxed VHS of Jaws. After Chrissie meets her demise we see a wave wash over the drunk guy. On the VHS you can hear him burp. You can't hear this on none of the DVDs regardless if you're watching it with the 5.1 or the mono. Also when the boom holding the cage snaps and almost hits Brody, you can hear him go 'Ahhh'. This is drowned out on the DVD in both mixes. In Frankenstein (1931), theres the scene where the two doctors go down to the cellar and discover the Monster has killed the Hunchback. When they storm down the stairs you can hear the Monster growl. On my VHS and even the 1999 DVD the growl echoes. On the 2004 and 2006 DVDs and the Blu Ray the echoe is gone. I should also like to mention that I compared the VHS and Blu Ray audios of Frankenstein and clarity wise I think my VHS sounds better.

I was never a fan of the remixed Jaws and Terminator. I owned them on VHS before DVD and so was exposed to the original mixes. The first DVD of Terminator I got was the 1997 Image Entertainment release. A few years later I got the 2001 Special Edition DVD and wasn't fond of the 5.1 remix. Fortunately the original mono was included but in my opinion the IE DVD sounded much better. Gunshots were much louder. I got the 25th Anniversary Jaws DVD during Christmas 2002 and was disappointed to learn that the 5.1 remix, which I had already loathed at this point since i had previously gotten the 25th Ann. VHS, was the default mix and the original was not included. Come 2005 I learn about the 30th Ann. DVD. While it was neat to learn about some new features like the photo journal and full 2 hour doc., the real selling point for me was that the original mono track would be included. This has been my preferred release ever since. I don't own a Blu ray player so obviously don't have that release. However I will pick it up if I ever do get a player and I am aware that the mono is included on that release. I am disappointed however to know that none of the BD releases of Terminator don't include the mono which I really consider a loss. It's not just those films. Grease has a pretty bad remix as well and the original is not included on any of the DVD/BD releases. It's not just remixing! Some releases just sound better than others. I have the Image Entertainment DVDs of Robocop and they sound better in my opinion than the MGM releases. Nothing was changed but sound wise the old DVDs sound better I feel. I even purchased Robo off itunes a few years back and that version sounds better than the MGM DVD in my opinion.

Not sure anyone shared this but someone made a pretty good comparison video of the mono and the 5.1. I did not make this.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xykcul_the-terminator-1984-original-mono-audio-track-vs-remixed-audio-track_shortfilms#.UeCM0RxfAmk