crissrudd4554

This comment is only for those of you who appear to misinterpret what I've been questioning about. I know in my previous posts I've tried my best to explain my situation but I think its misleading you guys into thinking Im asking about something else. I won't go into detail this time so here it goes. How do I burn (burn meaning popping a blank DVD into my computer and pressing burn) Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition to DVD with the additional audio tracks?

box said:

I think you're missing something fundamental. You don't need a program that will "burn multiple audio tracks". All those well known programs will burn multiple audio tracks fine. They may have trouble burning if you're passing them a bunch of files that approximate a DVD folder hierarchy. But if a DVD has been properly authored with multiple tracks and exists as a single image file (iso, etc.) these programs will burn that fine. At that pont it's just the binary representation and they have no idea if it's a data DVD or a video DVD or what - they simple burn the bits to the disc. End of story.

Not from what I have been messin with. I made a DVD of the mkv file of v2.0 about a month or two ago with Burn and it only incorporated one audio track. I tried looking more into it with Nero and other programs. From what I've read Nero does not support multiple audio tracks. And everytime I try opening the file in Toast the program freezes. So I'm sorry to say that most of the programs I'm using do not work to my satisfaction. I hate to keep coming back with all this but this has not been easy for me and all I seek are some tips.

box said:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/How-Tos-and-Technical-Discussions/forum/12/

And for the record, the DVD5 they're talking about is a file that you burn (or mount) without alteration - it's an exact image of the DVD that will fit on a single-layer physical DVD. Where to find the DVD5 is on-topic here, but this level of trouble-shooting is not really on-topic.

Well I'll look into it more. If that's what the DVD5 is then it will do me no good. I wouldn't know what to with it. I can't burn it to a disc if I don't have a program that's designed to burn discs with multiple audio tracks. More well know programs that burn DVDs (Toast, Nero, Windows DVD Maker, etc.) only burn one track. I'll look up the Imgburn and see where that leads me.

YanniD said:

There are some really cheap Bluray players (<$100) that do a very serviceable job playing back HD material from optical disc or usb drive.

Burning a DVD is the easiest part:  use Imgburn with ISO/UDF 1.02 format.

The harder part is transcoding:  if you do it yourself, use DVD9 as you won't be able to get the same quality as the DVD5 without Harmy's source and tweaks.  Before there were single programs to do conversion, you had to use multiple freeware programs, but it gave you fine control over the process.  If you can get the mpeg2 video file and the soundtracks, you can mux them together with Ifoedit into a basic DVD structure.  When using 24fps video, you will also need a program to add the pulldown flags.

As someone else suggested, just get the existing DVD5.

Well I'll look up Imgburn and check it out. If that doesn't work where do I find the DVD5? Is it an actual disc or is it just a file that even if I got it I would simply have to burn it to a disc myself which would bring me back to the problem that has brought me here?

YanniD said:

Since everything is going Bluray now, wouldn't it be easier to invest in a media player or cheap Bluray player that will at least playback HD from a flashdrive and output at whatever resolution you want?

If you still want a DVD, burn to DVD9 as DVD5 is much too compressed and will produce artifacts.

IIRC DVD is limited to a combined maximum bitrate of 10Mbps for the sum of all tracks:  as you increase the number of audio tracks, the maximum bitrate of the video track must reduce.

Well, I don't really have money for a Bluray player right now so I dont really plan on going in that direction at the moment. But the thing is I need a program or software that will burn the DVD with the tracks. I can't just burn the DVD when the only programs I can really get my hands on at the moment will only incorporate one track. If I need to attempt to run the mkv file through multiAVCHD in order to get it to DVD appropriate quality then fine but I need a program that will burn the movie to a disc with the tracks. Perhaps I'll try converting the movie through multiAVCHD again and then burn it to a DVD with ConvertX. My only thing with ConvertX is when the DVD was finalized the movie was a bit boxy in some areas but maybe if its burning a file thats DVD quality it'll look better. If anyone knows of any good programs that burn DVDs with different audio tracks please let me know. 

analog said:

crissrudd4554 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Hi again guys. I tried multiAVCHD but it failed during the conversion process. Didn't matter because I realized afterwards that this wasn't what I was looking for anyways. From what I could see it would convert the movie to a DVD file which I would open in another program then burn it to DVD. That's not exactly what I was going for. I'm trying to BURN it to a DVD with the audio tracks and still retain a good percentage of the high quality. I burnt the original file the other month ago with Burn but 1. The DVD skipped in a few areas 2. It only incorporated 1 audio track 3. Quality was fair but a bit boxy in some areas. I opened the original file with Nero but Nero will only incorporate one audio track. I think the same goes for Toast. The only program I've used to burn a DVD of the DeSpecialized edition that also incorporated the audio tracks was ConvertX. However, the quality was essentially the same as Burn, a bit boxy in some areas. So I ask again does anyone know any programs that will BURN the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks and decent quality.

Anybody got anything?

There has already been a DVD conversion, but I don't know where it's available, or what audio track(s) it contains.. Do you mean to burn to a DVD with ALL of the audio tracks included in the other editions? That would be unrealistic, if you also expect high quality video...

Your best bet is one or two audio tracks, and even better, to author a "DVD9" formatted version if you really want the best quality. MPEG2 converted from these just isn't going to be "perfect" unless you do some very specific things - encoding for it requires specific knowledge of the codec, a good encoder, and some tricks that you might not be familiar with...

If a good existing DVD conversion is still out there, perhaps somebody can PM you?
For encoding, there are other forums/websites that might be better suited to this topic..
If the DVD doesn't exist, I'd be willing to give it a shot, but only with blessings, and even then, it'd only be really worth it if it turns out nice enough to be worthwhile.

 

No I do not want all the tracks. The ConvertX program I used before allowed me to select which tracks I wanted. MultiAVCHD also allowed me to do this however when I used that program it failed during conversion. Also I think if conversion on that program had been successful it would have only converted it to a folder and I would have to use another program to burn the DVD. But that's my problem. I need a program that will burn the movie with the tracks. Nero only converts one track, Toast only converts one track, Burn only converts one track. The only program that i have used that burnt the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks of my choice is ConvertX but the picture quality was a bit boxy in some areas, not the regular quality of an average DVD. I'm not saying the DVD has to be HD but at least the normal quality for a DVD.

I'm fine with the MKV and the AVCHD. I just need a program to burn the DVD with.

crissrudd4554 said:

Hi again guys. I tried multiAVCHD but it failed during the conversion process. Didn't matter because I realized afterwards that this wasn't what I was looking for anyways. From what I could see it would convert the movie to a DVD file which I would open in another program then burn it to DVD. That's not exactly what I was going for. I'm trying to BURN it to a DVD with the audio tracks and still retain a good percentage of the high quality. I burnt the original file the other month ago with Burn but 1. The DVD skipped in a few areas 2. It only incorporated 1 audio track 3. Quality was fair but a bit boxy in some areas. I opened the original file with Nero but Nero will only incorporate one audio track. I think the same goes for Toast. The only program I've used to burn a DVD of the DeSpecialized edition that also incorporated the audio tracks was ConvertX. However, the quality was essentially the same as Burn, a bit boxy in some areas. So I ask again does anyone know any programs that will BURN the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks and decent quality.

Anybody got anything?

Hi again guys. I tried multiAVCHD but it failed during the conversion process. Didn't matter because I realized afterwards that this wasn't what I was looking for anyways. From what I could see it would convert the movie to a DVD file which I would open in another program then burn it to DVD. That's not exactly what I was going for. I'm trying to BURN it to a DVD with the audio tracks and still retain a good percentage of the high quality. I burnt the original file the other month ago with Burn but 1. The DVD skipped in a few areas 2. It only incorporated 1 audio track 3. Quality was fair but a bit boxy in some areas. I opened the original file with Nero but Nero will only incorporate one audio track. I think the same goes for Toast. The only program I've used to burn a DVD of the DeSpecialized edition that also incorporated the audio tracks was ConvertX. However, the quality was essentially the same as Burn, a bit boxy in some areas. So I ask again does anyone know any programs that will BURN the movie to a DVD with the audio tracks and decent quality.

stretch009 said:

@ crissrudd

You should try multiAVCHD.  This program specializes in all things HD.  I've converted many HD files to SD-DVD with it and you should be able to use all the audio tracks you desire.

Thank you!! I'll try that.

Jetrell Fo said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I believe this has been asked here before but I'll ask anyway. I'm trying to burn the remastered version of Harmy's DeSpecialized edition to DVD but I want to include the audio tracks. Not all of them. Mainly the 1977 5.1 mix, the 1977 mono, 1993 mix, commentary etc. I also want to customly make my chapters so it matches the chapters of the original file. So far the only program I've found thats allowing me to do this is ConvertXtoDVD. The DVD came out okay but its a bit boxy in some areas (quite noticeably in the opening Fox/Lucasfilm credits). Any of you know of any good programs that will allow me to customize the DVD the way I want and still come out good on the DVD? I don't own a Blu-Ray player so I can't make a Blu-Ray disc. Thanx.

Well, now that I read this a bit closer it would seem that you're wanting to put the audio "you" want to hear with Harmy's video, while retaining the DVD9 menu's for a DVD5?

I'm not sure you'll be able to just port over that menu without issue.  This is not my forte but I believe you won't be able to use just one "fix all" program for this.  It's going to take a little work and patience. 

No I'm not trying to retain the menus. I'm trying to burn the mkv file to a dvd. However, I would still like the DVD to include the additional audio tracks and I would also like the quality to still be fair. The only program that I've used so far that has allowed to include the audio tracks is ConvertXtoDVD. I tried it and it work what the quality was a bit boxy in some areas. The program I prefer to burn DVDs with is Nero but Nero will wont incorporate the other soundtracks, only one.

Thanx. For the tips guys. I'll mess with this and report back. :)

But won't that just give me the file? I have the file. I just need a good program to burn it to a DVD to that will also allow me to include the audio tracks and retain a good portion of the picture quality. Also the homepage to Myspleen just simply asks for a username and password. I haven't got one for that site and there's no option for me to create one.

pittrek said:

Didn't somebody create already a "non-official" DVD5 version ?

If so how would I get that?

I believe this has been asked here before but I'll ask anyway. I'm trying to burn the remastered version of Harmy's DeSpecialized edition to DVD but I want to include the audio tracks. Not all of them. Mainly the 1977 5.1 mix, the 1977 mono, 1993 mix, commentary etc. I also want to customly make my chapters so it matches the chapters of the original file. So far the only program I've found thats allowing me to do this is ConvertXtoDVD. The DVD came out okay but its a bit boxy in some areas (quite noticeably in the opening Fox/Lucasfilm credits). Any of you know of any good programs that will allow me to customize the DVD the way I want and still come out good on the DVD? I don't own a Blu-Ray player so I can't make a Blu-Ray disc. Thanx.

Harmy said:

I'll just add that it will be fixed in v2.1.

And I already answered the first question too - bcause it look like crap in the GOUT and would stand out like a sore thumb.

Thanx for the response. I'll looked forward to seeing v2.1. I haven't checked in here in a while so I have one more question. The shadows on the Falcon in the shot before Han goes 'You're all clear kid...." etc. They look a bit deep. Can you explain that?

pittrek said:

crissrudd4554 said:

 I don't want to see CGI in films that were released in a time where CGI was not in existence yet!!

A small correction - CGI DID exist in 1977. Even the original 1977 version contains a few CGI shots, but they're only on various computer monitors etc.

Ohhhh you know what I meant. lol

corellian77 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

the shot of the fleet taking off (with the man in the tower) in the original it was four ships in each row but in yours its 3?

From post 6262:

 

Harmy said:

as to that ships taking off shot, I never noticed that, so it's indeed probably a little mistake. The fourth ships are still there but much less visible.

 

Thanks for the response!!!

Harmy. Two quick questions. I think I may have asked already but if not I'll ask again. How come you didn't use GOUT upscale for the shot of Han going 'Yes, I'll bet you have!' and also the shot of the fleet taking off (with the man in the tower) in the original it was four ships in each row but in yours its 3?

I'm 19 and whatever the argument may be I will forever put my foot down and support the original versions of the Star Wars Trilogy 'til my dying day!! Star Wars was a film released in 1977 therefore it should remain a film released in 1977!!!!! Same thing with ESB and ROTJ. I always agree that films should be presented for future generations in their original forms. I don't want to see CGI in films that were released in a time where CGI was not in existence yet!! I don't want to see a CGI King Kong or CGI shark in Jaws. Not only CGI but audio changes bother me too. I hated the 5.1 remix of Jaws and will only watch that film in the original mono. Now I'm not saying that George should not express his vision and has no right to change his films. The part that bothers me is his refusal to give the DIE-hard SW fans their option of viewing the theatrical cut in addition to the Special Editions. For instance, when Spielberg made the changes to E.T. he made sure that when the new version was put on DVD that Universal would package it with the original as well. Thankfully since then he says he regrets the changes and the new Blu-Ray/DVD of E.T. will indeed be the original. George is going as far as to say that Greedo shooting first was always the case. His explanation is because its done in closeups it gives the impression that Han shot first. Pfffft how stupid does he think we are? As far as the Blu-Rays go I dont have a Blu-Ray player nor do I have a desire to get one at the moment. I've heard about the Blu-Ray changes to the Trilogy and I don't want those editions. It may be George's vision but trying to erase history by throwing todays technology into an already finished product is wrong!!! Star Wars is a 1977 film, Empire Strikes Back is a 1980 film, and Return of the Jedi is a 1983 film!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any version prior to 1997!!!!! Well let's see. My first Trilogy was the 1995 VHS set. This was the originals remastered in THX and was the last time until 2006 that the originals surfaced on video. I played the HELL out of that trilogy. Then I became interested in the Special Editions for small reasons. For instance I knew Jabba the Hutt was in ANH and wanted to check that out. I got that trilogy on VHS when I was about 5 or 6. It was interesting but I didnt have to second guess myself when I had to decide for myself which I preferred. I had already played out my '95 set and that was still the version that I played more. Another reason for this was because my dad wanted me to keep the SE trilogy in good shape and he kept it in a cupboard when I wasnt using it. That was ok since I preferred the originals anyway and would watch the SE's on occasion. I then became interested in the 1992 set. This was the last editions of the originals on VHS to feature the original poster art. I knew about this set because a close friend of my mother's had those editions. I used to borrow their tapes even though I had the '95 and '97 sets. When I was about 8 I finally got my own set of the '92 tapes. I played out those tapes a lot as well possibly just as much as the '95 set. Since then I've gotten more trilogy's. I got the Widescreen VHS sets of the '92, '95, and '97 releases. I also have the '04 DVDs and '06 DVDs. Other VHS releases I have include the '92, '95, and '97 sets SEALED, the '84 VHS releases, the 1990 box set, and more. Right now I suppose the editions I prefer is my '95 box set, the '92 box set, and the '06 DVDs even though they're poor transfers. I also have recently enjoyed Harmy's DeSpecialized edition.

I've seen your cut and its fantastic. The remastered version is the best. Two quick questions. You mentioned you had to slow down the first few frames of the shot where Han says 'Yes I bet you have'. Why not use the GOUT for that shot? Also the shot of the fleet taking off (with the white flashes) in the original it was four ships in each row but in your cut it looks like 3 ships in each row. Was that intentional or was that an accident?