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I think I read about that somewhere

Just a question. No need to be rude you jerk!!! :p If I had any preservation knowledge I would preserve it myself and have no need to post here and deal with harrassers like you! If you ask me you're the one who should go away!

Okay I know most RoboCop fans are more favorable of Paul Verhoeven’s cut as opposed to the theatrical cut. However, considering most if not all the Robo BluRays featured the director’s cut, has anyone ever considered upscaling the theatrical version of the film?? The last release of the original version was the 20th Anniversary DVD edition which had the same color issues as the BluRay version of the director’s cut released around the same time. Anyways just thought I’d ask about this.

Perhaps this was discussed and I know to a degree it might be a waste since only one major part of it is different but has there been discussion of a possible despecialized edition of the 1981 rerelease? The only major part of this that is different is the opening crawl which features Episode IV A New Hope at the top and the words in the crawl are somewhat rearranged. Also the Star Wars logo fades out before the crawl starts unlike the other versions where its fades out as the crawl starts. Like I said I know to a degree this ain't a big deal cause its mostly the same film but truthfully this is probably the version of the original most people remember anyways since the only official release of the original film with the original opening crawl was the 2006 DVD. Anyways just thought Id ask.

I have the '02 DVD of Grease and NO it does not feature the original. It features a 2.0 track that uses the same elements of the 5.1 track. One thing I noticed thats present in the original (I have it on VHS) but not in the remix is someone honking their car horn when Danny's shadow blocks the movie screen while he is singing 'Sandy'. New sound effects to note in the remix is sounds added when Danny and Sandy toss their jackets in 'You're the One That I Want', thud noise when Danny falls over after Sandy sings the line 'feel your way', different bell noise when Danny plays the High striker, etc. I hope Paramount someday gives us a new restoration of the original film including the original opening Paramount logo accompanied by its original music.

I was just thinking of this the other day. Has anyone gotten anywhere with this? Me personally I prefer the miniseries version but it would be nice to see the movie version preserved and it is a better paced than the miniseries version.

Wazzles said: I hope someone makes this. It would be really interesting to see. Does anyone know if there is a comparison of the various pan and scan version out there?

 This makes me think of something I've been wanting to ask here. I was considering starting a new thread for this but since its roughly the same topic I'll just ask here. Which P&S releases do you feel had the best/worst framing??? I haven't really decided on which I think had the best but for worst I think my vote would be the 1995 VHS'. They're not bad but there's certain shots where I think the framing is a bit off. A good example is the shot where Greedo is shot where they have him framed to the left yet past releases had him centered. Another is the scene in the control room where Han sits down and says 'I'm not going anywhere'. Pre-1995 releases frame it around Han as he sits down which personally i think worked better while subsequent releases frame it around 3PO and Luke. When I get a chance I'll post some examples. If anyone else would like to share some examples go ahead. My summary is based on the US releases. I'm not sure how the UK versions look.

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree here as well. Preservation is very important and once its out there its out there. If George wants to make his revisions ok but still provide with the original on the side, both for the original trilogy and prequels! Sure puppet Yoda wasn't particularly great but that's filmmaking. Nothings perfect.

I like 'Lapti Nek'! Much better than 'Jedi Rocks'. 'Lapti Nek' sounds like a song. 'Jedi Rocks' is just…ewww. Then again I also one of the few not annoyed and prefers 'Yub Nub'. Just my opinions of cousre.

I think a better question would be is if this does actually happen will Lucas still be on good terms with everyone??? (Lucasfilm, Fox, Disney, etc.) Sometimes I wonder if he had expected them to eventually get around to remaster the originals and if not if he'd feel betrayed that his own company would go against his 'vision'.

darklordoftech said: I can live without the 97 versions. Something that I'd much rather see than the 97 versions is the mono mix. It was what most people heard in 1977 and therefore is part of the 1977 experience. 

 I agree. The mono mix should definitely be preserved. Especially since much of the different sounds and dialogue that was added to the SE that was not present on the stereo mix of the original was derived from the mono mix. Examples such as Threepio's tractor beam line and the trooper's 'close the blast doors' are sometimes generally considered SE changes but actually were from the mono mix of the original!

darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 And yet we do all this discussing on whether the 97 versions will get released or some super dooper scruffy nerfheder dianoga wampa deluxe completed version!!!

(slaps hand on face)

To put it in short definitive terms, a rerelease of the '97 version is HIGHLY unlikely!

One thing I'm stunned was never changed was Ben and Vaders sabers switching colors in ANH. Sure they're split second but hey if Lucas feels its necessary to put rocks in front of R2 I don't see why this wouldn't be changed.

Oh yeah I agree it should for preservation sake. I definitely prefer '97 SE over '04 and '11 SE's as I know a lot of you do as well. Going back to the Blade Runner theory perhaps they should just release a deluxe box set for ANH with all the cuts ('77, '81, '97, etc.) while smaller sets can be made for ESB and ROTJ.

Just to go back a few posts I just find it funny how this is a site dedicated to preserving the original versions and were whining about the 1997 versions. Can't please 'em all I guess. Anyways if Spielberg didn't even package both E.T.'s on BluRay I can't see Lucasfilm packaging both the original and SE SW's film's but that's just me.

Funny you mention that because I found it rather cheap of Lucas to include the 4:3 widescreen in both the widescreen and fullscreen dvd sets. He wasn't even willing to include a P&S version in the FS set.

Perhaps someday we'll get the originals packaged with an updated SE. This would be my advice to Disney/Lucasfilm, etc. if they were to give us another special edition. Have fans write in saying what they want added or remove and this way we'll get a nice SE that's more appealing to everyone else.

Most likely we'll get the exclusive box set that everyone wants but can't afford which will have the BluRays only. Then individual BluRay/DVD combos then individual DVD releases with little to no features. The latter I'll probably go with unfortuantely because A) it'll be cheaper and B) I don't own a BluRay player. Is it me or do BluRay/DVD combos sound pointless?? If we own BluRay players why would we want the DVDs???

Beatleboy99 said:

unamochilla2 said:

Can't they simply exist as products of their time?

 Thank you!

My thoughts exactly!!! I don't mean to sound like a dumper on the SE's but the only versions with cultural significance are the originals. For people who prefer the SE's better that's your opinion but whether you prefer it or not the original is the only one that has any cinematic significance. It laid the blueprint for the type of visual effects and filmmaking of today and its very deceiving to show newer generations SW when in fact its cluttered with effects of a later era. For Lucas to say the film wasn't finished I don't think is right. The film was made in an era where his vision couldn't be fully realized but the results were still monumental! Then again this is just my view of it.

Well I can't say I remember my actual first viewing of SW nor exactly where my love for SW began. I know I saw the SE edition of ANH in the theatres with my dad, stepmom, and brother when I was 3 or 4 but I can't remember if that was my first actual viewing of SW. My first VHS trilogy was the 1995 THX versions of the originals but I can't remember if I had it at the time that I saw the SE in the theaters. From what my dad has told me I got into SW because I was interested in my brothers Darth Vader action figure. Now I remember my brother had the 1995 box set as well so perhaps my first viewing was with him. Unfortunately I was introduced to SW at a very early stage of my life that I can't really remember how it all began. :( TPM I actually saw 3 times in the theatre (4 if you count the 3D release in 2012) once with my dad, another with my then babysitters son and his girlfriend, and again with my dad and my brother (3D version I saw with my mom and stepdad), AOTC in the theatre with my dad and brother, and ROTS in the theatre with my dad and brother

I just found this today. A video comparing the 1995 THX P&S VHS to the original P&S VHS. What I'll miss most about P&S is how the image is repositioned from release to release as evident in this video. As a child I found it interesting to see the tip of Vader's lightsaber in the top right corner of the closeup of Luke in Empire just as the freezing chamber duel begins on the SE VHS while the 1995 VHS has it positioned where the tip is out of shot. This may sound bizarre but I liked noticing things like this growing up and watching different P&S releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vz5MXcV6uPM

ratpack1961 said:

Is there a thread or link that talks about the differences between the 70mm and 35 mm audio mixes?  I've never heard that there were any. 

I've seen the film in 35 mm a few times and had the widescreen laserdisc release and DVD.  Nothing was readily apparent, maybe I wasn't listening closely enough.

The 1999 VHS was remixed I think. It had a lot more 'whizzing' noises in the gun battle scenes and also the sound of Indy dropping the staff into the map room is a different sound. The 2003 mix is similar to what was used on past VHS and Laserdisc (I assume) releases. The BluRay I believe used elements of an original mono mix which also has the 'whizzing' noises from the 1999 mix. I actually prefer the 2003 mix personally but thats just me.

My ideal SW Trilogy release would have the following:

Original Theatrical Versions

ANW: 1977 stereo mix, 1977 mono mix, 1993 remix, audio commentary (I suppose an edit of the 2004 track or the archive track on Harmy's version), deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 George Lucas Interview (from VHS release)

ESB: deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 GL interview

ROTJ: deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 GL interview

misc: vintage docs. and interviews with cast and crew, Empire of Dreams doc.

I also have a thought. Perhaps they can do what Spielberg did with the E.T. BluRay/DVD from two years ago and put the deleted scenes that were added to the SE as bonus footage and leave them enhanced, i.e. deleted Jabba scene with CGI Jabba on Bonus Materials