crissrudd4554

(slaps hand on face)

To put it in short definitive terms, a rerelease of the '97 version is HIGHLY unlikely!

One thing I'm stunned was never changed was Ben and Vaders sabers switching colors in ANH. Sure they're split second but hey if Lucas feels its necessary to put rocks in front of R2 I don't see why this wouldn't be changed.

Oh yeah I agree it should for preservation sake. I definitely prefer '97 SE over '04 and '11 SE's as I know a lot of you do as well. Going back to the Blade Runner theory perhaps they should just release a deluxe box set for ANH with all the cuts ('77, '81, '97, etc.) while smaller sets can be made for ESB and ROTJ.

Just to go back a few posts I just find it funny how this is a site dedicated to preserving the original versions and were whining about the 1997 versions. Can't please 'em all I guess. Anyways if Spielberg didn't even package both E.T.'s on BluRay I can't see Lucasfilm packaging both the original and SE SW's film's but that's just me.

Funny you mention that because I found it rather cheap of Lucas to include the 4:3 widescreen in both the widescreen and fullscreen dvd sets. He wasn't even willing to include a P&S version in the FS set.

Perhaps someday we'll get the originals packaged with an updated SE. This would be my advice to Disney/Lucasfilm, etc. if they were to give us another special edition. Have fans write in saying what they want added or remove and this way we'll get a nice SE that's more appealing to everyone else.

Most likely we'll get the exclusive box set that everyone wants but can't afford which will have the BluRays only. Then individual BluRay/DVD combos then individual DVD releases with little to no features. The latter I'll probably go with unfortuantely because A) it'll be cheaper and B) I don't own a BluRay player. Is it me or do BluRay/DVD combos sound pointless?? If we own BluRay players why would we want the DVDs???

Beatleboy99 said:

unamochilla2 said:

Can't they simply exist as products of their time?

 Thank you!

My thoughts exactly!!! I don't mean to sound like a dumper on the SE's but the only versions with cultural significance are the originals. For people who prefer the SE's better that's your opinion but whether you prefer it or not the original is the only one that has any cinematic significance. It laid the blueprint for the type of visual effects and filmmaking of today and its very deceiving to show newer generations SW when in fact its cluttered with effects of a later era. For Lucas to say the film wasn't finished I don't think is right. The film was made in an era where his vision couldn't be fully realized but the results were still monumental! Then again this is just my view of it.

Well I can't say I remember my actual first viewing of SW nor exactly where my love for SW began. I know I saw the SE edition of ANH in the theatres with my dad, stepmom, and brother when I was 3 or 4 but I can't remember if that was my first actual viewing of SW. My first VHS trilogy was the 1995 THX versions of the originals but I can't remember if I had it at the time that I saw the SE in the theaters. From what my dad has told me I got into SW because I was interested in my brothers Darth Vader action figure. Now I remember my brother had the 1995 box set as well so perhaps my first viewing was with him. Unfortunately I was introduced to SW at a very early stage of my life that I can't really remember how it all began. :( TPM I actually saw 3 times in the theatre (4 if you count the 3D release in 2012) once with my dad, another with my then babysitters son and his girlfriend, and again with my dad and my brother (3D version I saw with my mom and stepdad), AOTC in the theatre with my dad and brother, and ROTS in the theatre with my dad and brother

I just found this today. A video comparing the 1995 THX P&S VHS to the original P&S VHS. What I'll miss most about P&S is how the image is repositioned from release to release as evident in this video. As a child I found it interesting to see the tip of Vader's lightsaber in the top right corner of the closeup of Luke in Empire just as the freezing chamber duel begins on the SE VHS while the 1995 VHS has it positioned where the tip is out of shot. This may sound bizarre but I liked noticing things like this growing up and watching different P&S releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vz5MXcV6uPM

ratpack1961 said:

Is there a thread or link that talks about the differences between the 70mm and 35 mm audio mixes?  I've never heard that there were any. 

I've seen the film in 35 mm a few times and had the widescreen laserdisc release and DVD.  Nothing was readily apparent, maybe I wasn't listening closely enough.

The 1999 VHS was remixed I think. It had a lot more 'whizzing' noises in the gun battle scenes and also the sound of Indy dropping the staff into the map room is a different sound. The 2003 mix is similar to what was used on past VHS and Laserdisc (I assume) releases. The BluRay I believe used elements of an original mono mix which also has the 'whizzing' noises from the 1999 mix. I actually prefer the 2003 mix personally but thats just me.

My ideal SW Trilogy release would have the following:

Original Theatrical Versions

ANW: 1977 stereo mix, 1977 mono mix, 1993 remix, audio commentary (I suppose an edit of the 2004 track or the archive track on Harmy's version), deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 George Lucas Interview (from VHS release)

ESB: deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 GL interview

ROTJ: deleted scenes, trailers, 1995 GL interview

misc: vintage docs. and interviews with cast and crew, Empire of Dreams doc.

I also have a thought. Perhaps they can do what Spielberg did with the E.T. BluRay/DVD from two years ago and put the deleted scenes that were added to the SE as bonus footage and leave them enhanced, i.e. deleted Jabba scene with CGI Jabba on Bonus Materials

Well for me there's two SE's. 1997 and 2004. 2011 version just doesn't exist to me. Of the two SE's I prefer 1997 but my favorite overall version of the Trilogy is the original. However, there is no definitive version of the original we must remember, particularly of the first film. It was released in 1977 with three different sound mixes, in 1981 it was given the 'Episode IV A New Hope' title in the crawl, Ben Burt remixed the soundtrack in 1985 for video release, the sound was remixed again in 1993 for laserdisc which was carried over for the 1995 laserdisc and VHS (and the 2006 DVD). That's only a short list. So essentially there really is no definitive version of the original. And imperialscum I'm sorry for your pain. Thats sorta what I meant when I said I'm ecstatic and upset. Ecstatic because me and all the other OUT loving fans are finally (maybe) getting a restored version of the original trilogy while the SE fans like yourself may not get your preferred version, i.e. the Special Edition.

I got the 'Five Star Collection' DVDs in 2003 for Christmas. They're ok however they freeze in certain DVD players. They'll probably play smoother in more modern DVD players. Also the covers claim they're 'Anamorphic Widescreen' but they are not.

Well if the rumors are true, I'm both ecstatic and a bit upset, mostly ecstatic. My preferred version of the SW Trilogy will always be the original. My first Trilogy was the 'One Last Time' VHS set from 1995 so that's how far back I go with the originals. After being treated to the poorly transferred DVD releases in 2006 any news that the originals are getting a restoration job is a huge thumbs up on my end. I'm always for preserving things in their original form and the OUT deserves to be preserved. To that end I'm ecstatic. Now to why I'm a bit upset. It was actually pointed out earlier in this thread that other sites are discussing what changes should remain from the SE. Now I'll even admit that there are minor changes from the SE I wouldn't mind being inserted into the originals (removal of matte lines, lightsaber adjustments, etc.) but thats about it. However at the same time I feel that's detrimental to keeping them to their true original form. I'm also torn between the idea on whether or not I want 'Episode IV A New Hope' in the opening crawl. On one hand without it its true to the 1977 theatrical version but on another hand it doesn't fit well with the chronology of the series. Going back to how people are discussing what should stay and go I'll admit I'm one of those people where I want everyone to be happy. We must understand that there are as many SE followers as OUT fans. My view is that both should be packaged together similar to how they were in '06 but of course featuring the restored original! That way its even for everyone. :)

russs15 said:

 

I have found a few more "quirks" with various videos in my PAL VHS collection. Here are the old and new ones along with a few screenshots to show what I have found.

 

1 Wrong audio

The 1987, 1988 and 1989 Fullscreen versions of ANH do not have the Threepio tractor beam line so therefore do not have the recognised 1985 Ben Burtt remix sound track.

2 No Fox Fanfare

This has been known for a while but the 1995 THX "Last time only" versions of ESB and ROTJ (both Full and Widescreen) do not have the Fox Fanfare.

They go from this...

to this...

to this...

missing out this on ESB...

and this on ROTJ.

However, I have just realised that the 1987 re-release of ANH does something similar.

It goes from this...

to this...

missing out this.

 

Finally

3 Interupted Fox fanfare

On the initial 1982 Fullscreen ANH, as the Fox Fanfare is playing, an announcer talks over the Fanfare as follows  "20th Century Fox Video presents."

EDIT

4 Another odd thing I have found is that the 1995 ANH Fullscreen release Fox Logo has changed from the slanting 0 to the upright 0 like this...

The weird thing is that ALL the Widescreen PAL ANH releases also have the original slanting 0, even the 1995 THX Last time only and 1995 Executor box set. It just goes to show the inconsistency in the release of Star Wars films on video in the UK.

 

 

Most if not all US editions of ANH on VHS in FS prior to 1995 have the the none slanted 0 Fox logo. The 1995 US release in FS features the slanted 0. One reason I find this interesting is 'cause the 1992 FS copy of ANH features the none slanted 0 while the 1992 WS VHS edition features the slanted 0. 

Just opinion but yeah 'Bring my shuttle' is way better. Fits better as mentioned before that he is angry over Luke slipping way from him. Why wouldn't he be? And really I just find it awkward having outtake footage of Vader from ROTJ where he exits his shuttle and we clearly see Commander Jerjerrod standing before him and even beginning his dialogue! Again just opinion.

Someone probably noted this but going back to the opening crawl to ANH in the '81 version of the film the Star Wars logo disappears before the crawl starts yet all other versions have it just like the rest of the series where it fades out as the crawl starts.

dwalkerdon23 said: It sounds better because it's the original Dolby SR 2 channel mix on the Image & Criterion DVD's. The 20th anniversary DVD & Blu Ray Of Robocop does have a Dolby 4.0 track however (Which is the Original Audio, but Discrete 4 channel vs matrixed Dolby Stereo Pro Logic) so maybe that mix will sound better than the MGM 5.1 Remixed versions.

I've listened to the 4.0 mix. It's not much different from the 5.1 mix even though the 4.0 mix is listed as the original. I still prefer the Image & Criterion versions. One thing I'd like to know is if on the 4k release is the flashback shot of Joe and Emil when Murphy is operated on has been fixed. On the last release this shot came out very dark and you could hardly spot them.

Good point. I guess it does depend on the elements that are used. For example I think the audio on the Image and Criterion DVDs for RoboCop sound much better than any of the MGM releases. Nothing particularly different but it just seems like its mixed better. For example, check out the scene where Clarences gang open fire  on the open highway before realizing Murphy and Lewis have maneuvered the car to the side of the van. The gun shots sound a lot better on the older release. They seem a bit watered down in the MGM releases. Interestingly, I have the MGM version of RoboCop for itunes and that version sounds better than the MGM DVDs! 

I'm also curious as to how the mono of Jaws is on the Blu-Ray. I have the 2012 DVD and after watching it with the mono I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD is somewhat better. I noticed a little more clarity on the older release. One thing I noticed is that the sound of the shark crushing up the cage around 1:56:07 sounds a bit drowned out on the mono mix on the 2012 DVD than the 2005 DVD. I also was checking out the 2012 DVD for E.T. and the music sounds odd during the close up shot of the agents rifle. It sounds like it almost switches to a mono mix and cuts back to regular when it cuts to Elliott closing his eyes. Anyone got anything on this???

Avatar_Emil said: IT DOES? How do you know that? I was under the impression that the 75th anniversary Blu-ray DIDN'T have mono. Also, according to this, there was a DVD release which did have mono, if not two.

 This article on bluray.com on the release does confirm a mono mix.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Wizard-of-Oz-3D-Blu-ray/72226/#Review

Someone for the fun of it should re-add the Orion Home Video/Orion Pictures combo logo that was featured on the original vhs for nostalgic purposes. Sure this wouldn't match the original theatrical presentation but it would still be interesting.

TV's Frink said: So...you're going to masturbate?

 No but I'll leave you to your business. :P