Yes I noted a few posts back that there was some minor differences between the mono mix used on most pre-2001 releases and the MGM DVD but its still 99.8% the same mix.
I believe the MGM SE DVD has an altered mono track.
If you mean a downmix then no. It’s the legit mono. All R1 DVDs of T1 have the mono.
Most pre-1995 releases I’m pretty sure don’t have the song. The song ‘Having my Baby’ by Paul Anka is playing during that scene on the DVD but the 1980’s VHS which mentions ‘Some Music Rescored’ on the back cover had a different song in that scene.
Yes all LD editions have the mono. The remix wasn’t introduced until the 2000 DVD/VHS.
Anyone by any chance have a recording of the television version of the 1994 Little Rascals movie?? A couple showings have the deleted scenes which werent included on the DVD. I actually taped it off ABC Family onto a Blank VHS tape some years ago but not sure which tape and also if I recall I taped a few other things on the tape and it got eaten up at one point.
I know its not my thread but I figured Id post this for any newcomers. Some various YouTube videos to compare the mono and surround mix.
‘Bigger Boat’
Mono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&v=qt92K0mTYEg
Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7PYqhABiSo&nohtml5=False
Shark smashes window
Mono and Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7MiVghLlQk&nohtml5=False
‘Smile you son of a…’
Mono
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFl_2p_LHU&nohtml5=False
Remix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIi6HGt2JeY&nohtml5=False
In the case of the last two, as you can see the word ‘bitch’ is much more audible in the mono. Also on the BD, the ricochet sound from the mono was added to the remix.
Also as far as any visual alterations go, theres two I noticed thus far on the BD. First the wire balancing the buoy during Chrissie’s attack scene was removed and also a sailboat that was on the horizon later in the film was also removed.
The BD does include the mono track so purists are safe for the most part. Me personally, the mono track on the BD is good but the mono track on the 2005 DVD was slightly crisper. Lately Ive been comparing the BD Mono track, the 2005 DVD mono track, and the mono track from a 1990s LD and noticed some things.
After Chrissie’s attack, theres a shot of a wave rushing over Cassidy. At one point we see his mouth moving. On the LD mono we clearly hear him burp. On the 2005 mono and the BD mono, you only hear the burp if you listen very VERY carefully. The burp is missing completely in the surround mixes.
In the scene where Hooper cuts open the Tiger shark, at one point he pulls out a coffee can followed by a license plate. On the BD mono, the sound effects of these items hitting the floor are about a split second out of sync. On the 2005 mono and LD mono, the sync is identical.
The dialogue being shouted when the shark is tugging the boat is more audible on the LD mono as well as the surround mixes. On the 2005 mono and BD mono some of the dialogue is nearly drowned out by the water crashing as well as other various noises.
The sound of the engine exploding is in the wrong pitch on the BD mono. On the LD mono and 2005 mono, the pitch is identical.
There’s a noticeable drop in volume during a shot of the shark ripping the cage apart before the rigging snaps on the BD mono. This doesnt happen on the 2005 or LD mono.
Brody’s scream when the cage rigging collapses is louder on the LD mono as well as the surround mixes. You can only faintly hear it on the 2005 mono and BD mono.
The surround mixes and mono tracks on the BD and 2005 DVD restore a line thats not on the LD track. When Quint raises the cage to the surface and he and Brody clearly see Hoopers gone, earlier in the shot we hear Brody whisper ‘yeah’. This is more audible in the surround mixes but missing completely on the LD.
As a huge Jaws fan I have to commend you for doing this, I am one of those people that have been waiting for the rest of the movies on Blu Ray but I sort of gave up on Jaws 3D and The Revenge ever having a release as for Jaws 2 I feel like it may come at some point, good luck they really do look good in HD I’ve watched them many times on AMC and IFC I also have some HD rips somewhere, also do you have the extended version of Jaws 2 with all the deleted scenes added back in that was on TBS/USA back in the day I’ve been looking for that for years
Do you have the HD recording of Jaws 3??
I still havent seen the Nolan films in their entirety but when I do I’ll rank them. I saw most of TDK and my memories of it were pretty good. For now I’ll rank the Burton/Schumacher films.
4.Batman & Robin- Well granted I saw this in the theatres though I was about 4 at the time. Its one of those films you notice the flaws the more you watch it. Cheesy one liners, sub-par acting, and too much Bat nibbles. George Clooney’s a good actor but for me he was definitely miscast here. IMO he doesnt portray the tormented character depicted in the first three films. Anyways most of us know the flaws of this film so moving on. 4/10
3.Batman Returns- Kinda going with what a few said above. A little too Burton-y. The first film was a cross between dark and light with a hint of campiness. This film just leans too much towards dark. Its definitely the most graphic of the four films notably the scene where Catwoman scratches the person’s face. 6/10
2.Batman Forever- I rank this above Returns by about a hair. This film falls between the slightly dark edge of the first film but the over-campiness of Batman & Robin. Val Kilmer was an ok Batman and Jim Carrey definitely at his zaniest as the Riddler. Im again going with some of the above. Tommy Lee Jones was a bad Two-Face and granted I like Tommy Lee Jones. Then again I cant imagine Billy Dee Williams being much better in the role since he played an ‘ok’ Harvet Dent. However, Two-Face in BF was just a poorly written character. To vengeful and angry and zany and just a poorly written and portrayed character. 6.5/10
1.Batman- I actually find it a bit ironic that this is my favorite of the four films since it was actually the last of the four I saw. Nicholson played a good Joker and I like the plot twist that it was he who killed Bruce Wayne’s parents. Nice climax, good one liners, nicely film. Perhaps a bit dated now but I think it helped pave the road to where the character of Batman has been taken in the last decade or so. 8/10
Hmm tough call. Some movies I like may have been viewed as bad when they were initially released but are nicely regarded now. I’m going back almost a century but one of my favorite horror films is Island of Lost Souls, the first film adaptation of the book Island of Doctor Moreau. When the movie came out, it was banned in a bunch of countries and the books author hated it. Now it’s actually regarded as a well made 1930s horror flick and by some the best film adaptation of that book.
But anyways I’m just gonna assume we mean films that are just poorly made but some may like it anyways. Well I may get some slack for this but I don’t hate Jaws The Revenge. I don’t love it either but I might go as far to say it’s a smidge better than Jaws 3. Jaws 3 feels like a Jaws ripoff film masquerading as a Jaws sequel. At least Revenge I watch and feel like it’s a Jaws film. Some of the original cast was brought back, not much, some key Jaws musical bits were brought back, and we briefly return to Amity Island. Of course there’s the flaws. Probably the worst looking shark of the series, the scenes in Amity are at Christmas time, Ellen having flashbacks of things she never witnessed, the awkward shark exploding ending in place of the original ending, and probably a whole list of other things. But it has moments I like. I like seeing Mike Brody supporting his family and bickering relationship he has with Jake, Michael Caine gives a good performance and plays a likable character. And as unrealistic the shark and the situation may be, my favorite scene is probably when the shark chases Mike through the sunken ship and Mike escapes by releasing the air from his air tank. I don’t know. Watching that as a kid just seemed cool. I think the problem with the film is it’s a potentially good film stuck within a poorly made film.
Heres a quote from someone at blu-ray.com.
‘While I’d obviously love for the mono to return in an inevitable re-release, at the very least I’d settle for the soundtrack that was used theatrically last Summer. I kept expecting the newer, high-pitched gunshots when Arnold kills the first of the Sarah Connors, but instead it was the original gunshots. I was confused. As far as I can tell, it was some sort of hybrid between the original soundtrack and the remix. Definitely the lesser of two evils in that it’s better than the straight-up remix we’ve got on the Blu-ray.’
If this is true, perhaps we’re stepping in the right direction???
I dont believe I answered this thread. If I did sorry for the double post.
Raiders
Last Crusade (just a hair above Temple of Doom)
Temple of Doom
Kingdom of the Krystal Skull
Best hope is the monos reinstated for a 40th anniversary reissue but really who would even care at that point??? Maybe they’ll do another Anthology set like a few years ago now that they’ve released Genysis. Sad that such a negatively viewed film would be clumped with the good films and Salvation but hey studios always want money.
Someone at FanRes has the synced LD track in case it matters to anyone.
That’s not the mono track that was preserved here. The one that was preserved was the track from the Laserdisc as is. If you want the remastered mono you’d have to talk to the creator of that video.
jordan200 said:
Apologies for the double post but another Jaws 3 preservation issue is the multiple variations of the opening titles. Nearly every version has different graphics, with the Australian HDTV version the least faithful to the theatrical. The ugly static red movie title on the HDTV doesn’t have the gnashing teeth animation like every other version.
See screenshots: http://imgur.com/a/qjVeU
Also, this video shows the VHS had that era’s standard Universal logo, not the specially drawn 3D universal logo that I presume was on the theatrical (it was restored in 2D on the R4 DVD but is again replaced with the standard 80s logo in the Australian HDTV, if the network shows it at all).
The 1980’s MCA VHS had the standard Universal logo, but the VHS I have (from the late 90’s I think) has the custom Universal logo combined with the static red opening credits like that Australian HDTV version has. I also used to have a TV edit recorded off of TBS in 2001 that had alternate or added music cues in a few sequences (and some interesting edits to remove objectional material) but unfortunately that tape is long gone.
Jaws III was one of my favorite movies as a kid for some reason so I’ve seen many different variations of it over the years from various video releases and TV airings. For the longest time I only had a VCR dub of the 80’s VHS until I finally found a copy in Suncoast before they closed down in our mall. I think it’s from 1998 (it has the post 1997 Universal logo on the sleeve) but I got it with some of my Birthday money in 2002.
I actually have both VHS copies. The 1980’s VHS in fact does have the standard ‘Universal An MCA Company’ logo with the ‘3D’ type look to the main credits and the snapping teeth Jaws III logo. The late 1990’s tape has the Universal logo they retained later for the DVD but just has the plain static red credits. The DVD as I mentioned has the Universal logo from the 1990’s tape but the credits from the 1980’s tape. I was reading that apparently the version of Jaws 3 included in the 3 DVD set from last year actually has Jaws 3D as the title instead of Jaws III. I’m not sure which Universal logo it has. A few weeks ago they had a Jaws marathon on Encore and the version of Jaws 3 shown there also had another credit mix around. This time it was the standard Universal logo, like on the 1980’s VHS, but with the static red credits from the 1990’s tape. I recall seeing this on AMC at one point too. Hopefully one day I or someone will capture this.
The LD arrived at the FanRes guys location. Hopefully we’lol have results in a few days! 😄
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Have you any clue the time and effort a proper restoration of 40 year-old film elements would take, especially in the condition in which they supposedly exist for Star Wars? It is completely understandable that the future of the Saga (i.e., making sequels) was given precedence over the old given Disney’s massive investment in the project and the equally massive, all but guaranteed payoff of making new movies. What would be in the eyes of a casual fan “just another DVD release” isn’t going to be nearly as huge a revenue stream.
Keep in mind TN1’s restoration took 3 years and that wasnt the original negative!!
Honestly, what I hope happens is that they restore the original cuts with all the works for new Blu-Ray releases, and also include as afterthought “bonus discs” non-anamorphic, grainy laserdisc transfers of the Special Editions.
You know, justice.
Yesss the irony is swelling in you now
Some of the info is incorrect, mostly retaining to some of the new sounds added to ANH. For instance, the sound of Leia’s blaster was not exclusive to the '97 version as the video implies. It was originally in the '77 mono mix. 3-PO’s tractor beam line as well as the Stormtrooper’s ‘Close the blast doors’ line was also sourced from the mono mix.
This (a crackdown due to legal concerns) is not what’s happening and it is an internal issue in question among preservationists. Yes, we should always keep legal issues in mind. But the sky is not falling right now.
I guess this is what I’m doing this afternoon.
Fair enough. Keep in mind with what was revealed at the time my initial post was a bit askewed. Nonetheless, while at times not 100% legal, I still give thumbs up to fan preservation and respect its purpose. Also keep in mind thats just me speaking generally and not necessarily in regards to the topic, at least not fully.
No, I wasn’t judging you for the conclusion you were coming to. But earlier in the thread there was a sort of runaway effect with a lot of doomsdaying, so I was just trying to course correct as best I could without spilling the beans.
Understood. 😉
This (a crackdown due to legal concerns) is not what’s happening and it is an internal issue in question among preservationists. Yes, we should always keep legal issues in mind. But the sky is not falling right now.
I guess this is what I’m doing this afternoon.
Fair enough. Keep in mind with what was revealed at the time my initial post was a bit askewed. Nonetheless, while at times not 100% legal, I still give thumbs up to fan preservation and respect its purpose. Also keep in mind thats just me speaking generally and not necessarily in regards to the topic, at least not fully.
While agreed that this is sad news, part of me is not stunned. No matter how we view it, this is piracy and for the most part it’s illegal. I praise all the hardworking TN1 and Harmy have done with their respective reconstructions but they as well as everyone, including myself, having been walking a tight rope legal wise for a few years now, all for the purpose of preserving that which is no longer available. I in no way will call Harmy or TN1 or those who have followed their works ‘thieves’ per se as long as it was all done within context. Harmy stressed that those who view the DeSpecialed Editions should already own the official BDs and so is not trying to take ownership of someone else’s property. Sure it doesn’t make what he’s done all the less illegal but I won’t call him a theif for it. People trying to claim ownership over what doesn’t belong to them I will call thieves. IMO that is not the purpose of this site or what those involved have done. That being said its a shame about TN1 since 3 years of restoring something historical has been shut down but again they like everyone else who delve in piracy were in troubled waters.