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towne32 said:

This (a crackdown due to legal concerns) is not what’s happening and it is an internal issue in question among preservationists. Yes, we should always keep legal issues in mind. But the sky is not falling right now.

I guess this is what I’m doing this afternoon.

Fair enough. Keep in mind with what was revealed at the time my initial post was a bit askewed. Nonetheless, while at times not 100% legal, I still give thumbs up to fan preservation and respect its purpose. Also keep in mind thats just me speaking generally and not necessarily in regards to the topic, at least not fully.

While agreed that this is sad news, part of me is not stunned. No matter how we view it, this is piracy and for the most part it’s illegal. I praise all the hardworking TN1 and Harmy have done with their respective reconstructions but they as well as everyone, including myself, having been walking a tight rope legal wise for a few years now, all for the purpose of preserving that which is no longer available. I in no way will call Harmy or TN1 or those who have followed their works ‘thieves’ per se as long as it was all done within context. Harmy stressed that those who view the DeSpecialed Editions should already own the official BDs and so is not trying to take ownership of someone else’s property. Sure it doesn’t make what he’s done all the less illegal but I won’t call him a theif for it. People trying to claim ownership over what doesn’t belong to them I will call thieves. IMO that is not the purpose of this site or what those involved have done. That being said its a shame about TN1 since 3 years of restoring something historical has been shut down but again they like everyone else who delve in piracy were in troubled waters.

ray_afraid said:

moviefreakedmind said:

A movie made for “kids” in the 70s, or even just fifteen years ago, is a lot different than what people consider a movie for kids now. When I was a kid(10-13), we all wanted to see movies involving people getting shot and/or stabbed to death, with lots of sex and/or fast vehicles in between. Kids were renting and watching Friday the 13th at sleepovers. Every kid I knew saw Tombstone at some point back in the day. My sister snuck into Scream in theatres when she was just 10 years old. Now it seems like people think kids want to see Jar Jar Binks, or maybe they don’t care what kids want to see and just care about what they think kids should see. I grew up filling my head with rock & roll music and violent movies and I turned out decent enough.

I’ve been watching RoboCop since I was 4. I don’t think my mother has ever forgiven my father for it haha

Just giving an update for those who are interested. I’ve sent out an LD to a member on FanRes.com to be captured so hopefully the results of that will be ready in a week or two. 😃

captainsolo said:

The old hemdale LD is print sourced and the remastered seems to be from an IP. The MGM disc should have had access to the master monk source wh would be without and compression and EQ for Dolby mono theatrical formatting.

This link suggests the Hemdale release is also sourced from an IP print

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/01669/ID2940NSB/Terminator-The

There’s actually a blooper visible on the 1994 VHS of Willy Wonka. When Charlie and his family are watching the announcement of the Wonka contest on the TV, when it cuts to the shot of Charlie asking Grandpa Joe if he thinks he could find a ticket, the TV is off. This is cropped out in WS and even some P&S releases. I have the 2001 P&S DVD and the TV is cropped out in this shot.

Darth Lucas said:

The worst part is how so many people see no problem with it. Mentality seems to be “Well it’s just the logo. It’s not actually part of the movie.”

Sad but true

I could definitely support something like this. Warner Bros., Paramount, and Disney are three studios that immediately pop to mind that frequently replace the original studio logo at the start of their films on rereleases, both theatrical and on home video. I never really understood why. As the one user above noted, losing the original Pixar version of the Disney castle at the start of Toy Story is definitely a loss. I miss the old Paramount logo and theme at the start of Grease and would definitely like to see Willy Wonka with the Paramount logo. There’s definitely other examples but those definitely spring to mind.

Coloring wise I think I like the Hemdale/Image DVD somewhat better than the MGM DVD. My big exception is the shot of Ginger’s bloody hand when shes crawling away from the Terminator. The blood looks unrealistically pink on the Image DVD while it looks red on the MGM DVD.

Sorry to get off the subject of audio for a second but heres something Ive always found interesting. Heres two versions of the films trailer. The first was included on the Image Entertainment DVD while the second was on the MGM DVD. For the most part theyre identical including same narration. However youll notice that in some instances different scene clips are used in each. For example, the MGM trailer shows more of the Endoskeleton than the Image trailer. Also the shot of the motel goer backing up against the truck, the one hijacked by Kyle and Sarah towards the end of the film, is without the infrared effects in the Image trailer while it has them in the MGM trailer.

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=0ib7uYOoOs8

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=lHz95RYUbik

That’s not totally necessary since most if not all VHS’ of T1 use the standard mono as far as I know. The only exception was a few mid to late '80s VHS/Laserdisc releases which had the audio sped up. This was an early attempt at converting the mono track to stereo but the results weren’t that good. This was called the ‘Fake Chase’ mix or something like that. That mix was mentioned some posts ago. However by the early 90s the corrected pitched mono was reinstated and was kept as the default until the 5.1 mix was introduced in 2001. That being said, I’m glad that the mix that was preserved by these guys was the one they used. It’s much more tougher than the mono track given by MGM and I like that some effort was made to make it sound better than just a LD mono track synced to a Bluray.

Another difference between the MGM mono and the standard mono. In the scene where Kyle and Sarah pull into the parking garage, the sound of the tires screeching lasts longer on the MGM mono. It actually doesnt stop until after Kyle starts talking (‘Alright listen. The Terminator’s …’). On the standard mono, the screeching stops before he starts talking.

TylerDurden389 said:

Neither link worked for me.

That’s weird.

My guess it was elements either lost or subtly heard in the standard mono that somehow reintroduced themselves on the mono track included on the MGM DVDs, either by accident or design. If you want a somewhat closer examination I shared two youtube videos below of the police station massacre. First has the standard mono, second has the MGM mono. Both are mostly identical but you hear subtle differences like the sound of the emergency lights coming on when the powers cut.

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=5iDjFsZ2L78

https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4

Yes it is the US Special Edition DVD by MGM although all US DVDs of The Terminator by MGM include the 5.1 mix and the mono.

Ronster said:

^This sounds like a mix with more in it…

Thanks for the heads up 😃

Just managed to pick up the old DVD by Hemdale (Independant) Barebones with trailer and original Sound mix.

I am now Happy 😃

actually this is an image of a bootleg release but I got the real snapper case version. check the barcode 😃

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49-OwLEXbtg

Awesome! I’m pleased to say I still have my Image DVD because I don’t think the mono has ever sounded better on DVD then this release! 😃 One more bit I forgot. On the MGM mono there’s some ‘scuffling’ sounds when the Terminator leaps from the burning truck. This is only faintly heard in the standard mono.

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

Awesome! Here’s the link to the thread I started for Frankenstein over there. I shared your video!

http://forum.fanres.com/showthread.php?tid=712

Leonardo said:

Have a listen to this and tell me what you think. I took your comparisons, isolated the vhs audio and slowed it down to where it would sync, and applied careful noise reduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDv-EZa_us

I like this a lot. Better then the BluRay anyways. Might wanna adjust the pitch if you can although I assume that that was a result of you getting the synching right. Still nice job! Fortunately Im in talks with someone over at FanRes.com to capture the audio from the 1993 LD from Japan so hopefully I’ll have that soon. 😃

TV’s Frink said:

towne32 said:

TV’s Frink said:

towne32 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

How do you know the 4k restoration was abandoned? We had official press about the cancellation of the 3D release, but nothing official that the 3D would be based on a new scan or that this scan was for the 3D.

I have no idea if they were abandoned or not, obviously.

ANOTHER TEAM MEMBER REVEALED

But you forgot to say “we.”

Wait, so everyone except team negative members know if it was abandoned? If you tell them the answer does it quit them from the team?

Wait…that’s brilliant! I can’t wait to quit them all from the team!

Brb.

Does this mean if were bad we’re back on the team??? Then again I wasnt on any team so shoot me.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Can you please at least tell us what you are talking about? What are those images from? Are they from RMW? Did you do the grain reduction? What knowledge do your mysterious sources have exactly?

We have all the answers. Send $1 to us if you want them.

Team Happy Dude

Plus tax

SilverWook said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Not sure that was necessary…

I’ll have to agree. Its an online community people not Alcatraz. Sure we may not share the same views all the time folks but lets lower the torches or should I say lightsabers??

Then why have I been building an escape raft out of raincoats? 😉

Because the escape canoe gives splinters

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

Please remain civil to each other.

Can we be excellent to each other? 😉

Only if we can party on as well. 😃

Beat me to it! XD You and Frink!

TV’s Frink said:

Not sure that was necessary…

I’ll have to agree. Its an online community people not Alcatraz. Sure we may not share the same views all the time folks but lets lower the torches or should I say lightsabers??

Rules? Where we’re going there are no ‘rules’