Tantive3+1 said:
Were the 1995 Faces VHS versions released in Pan & Scan or Squeezed?
Pan and Scan (although the end credits of ANH appear to be squished).
yotsuya said:
Then the Definitive Collection came out, from a fresh interpositive of each movie, but a much revised sound track for ANH (everything that was included was from the mono mix).
Not entirely true. Yes there were elements from the mono mix restored to the 1993 mix but there were additional changes made that weren’t present in any previous mix. Additional glass breaking during the detention block shoot out comes to mind, additional laser like fly by sounds for the Alderaan remnants when the Falcon comes out of hyperspace I’m fairly sure was new. So really the 1993 mix is a hybrid of things new and old.
Are there any mono tracks that have currently never been released on DVD/Blu-ray?
Some of the Dirty Harry films.
The original stereo mixes for Back to the Future haven’t made their way to DVD/BD either.
The mono mix for Star Wars has NEVER been released on video officially!
Are there any mono tracks that have currently never been released on DVD/Blu-ray?
Yes. A lot actually.
It seems like it’s more rare for the original mono to be included then not.Sorry, I forgot to say original mono tracks. While it’s true the original tracks for the films mentioned above have never been digitally released, the 5.1 mixes still sound the same as their originals with no noticeable changes made to it.
Actually NO they don’t.
Dirty Harry
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Evr1sI1UScw
Back to the Future
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LFo1vaDk-SA
Everything you said about Star Wars is correct however.
Are there any mono tracks that have currently never been released on DVD/Blu-ray?
Some of the Dirty Harry films.
The original stereo mixes for Back to the Future haven’t made their way to DVD/BD either.
The mono mix for Star Wars has NEVER been released on video officially!
The JSC still has the 1981 crawl to the first film so no.
Your right. I’ve been meaning to say fault-free releases.
What about the 1995 Faces releases? Were there any issues with those?
Those are the same as the GOUT.
Additionally there were minor audio revisions made to the Definitive Collection mix (and thus carried over to the 1995 releases and the GOUT). Some of these come from the mono mix, some are new changes all together. The additional glass breaking noises during the detention block shootout I’m pretty sure were not present in any previous mix. The only video release I know for sure off hand that has the original unaltered stereo mix was the 1982 VHS release (granted it’s not digital audio).
The JSC still has the 1981 crawl to the first film so no.
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The original 1999 DVD has the film open matte, the OG Warner logo and with the original mono. Make sure it’s this cover.
The one with this cover replaces the mono with a surround mix.
^ That is one cool idea (or two) - and very nicely done mate.
Love the repositioning of Vader’s head on the front cover (now being more centralised) - looks like a quality retro-style Trilogy poster 👍
Thanks very much.
In the meantime, I created a DVD sleeve based off the outer box. Another option I figured I could do is getting a DVD case thats fits three discs and use this. The poster collage is a bit softer looking than I’d like it to be but its not too bad. I adjusted it best I could. It’ll likely look better in a cover. If anyone wants a full sized copy PM me.
I decided to do a complete revisit of this and have come up with two versions. The front cover is faithful to the original outer packaging while I tried to incorporate elements of the inner packaging for the back. The first I left the GL message on the back while the second I replaced this with the “Here’s the trilogy…” scroll text while moving the GL text to a separate insert that can be placed inside the case.
Version 1.
Version 2 (with insert)
Non anamorphic DVDs were of little consequence to me until I bought a Widescreen TV, which was literally within the same month after the GOUT DVDs were released. I knew what anamorphic enhancement was but it wasn’t that big a deal to me one way or another when I was watching DVDs on a CRT television.
Yeah this was the same case for me in 2006. I lived in two houses and at one I had a Sanyo CRT in my bedroom, the other a Toshiba CRT with a built in DVD player so it didn’t matter to me. Didn’t get my first Widescreen TV til 2008 which was when it really began to sink in how crap the GOUT situation was.
What exactly was changed in the first scene???
Well the freezing chamber duel is my favorite lightsaber duel of the whole saga so…
No that’s not what I meant. I’m speaking in regards to you claiming they fixed what they fixed cause they “care about the original films”. If they cared for the original films then the original versions would still be around. Additionally it isn’t exactly fair to refer to the “flaws” as such when they simply are a reflection to the limits of technology to the time.
G&G-Fan said: If they actually didn’t care about the original films at all, why would they fix up some of the garbage mattes, redo the wipes, revamp the sound mix, and do every other change that objectively improved the films?
Ohhhhhh I don’t even know where to begin with this…
The SE’s mixed Vader’s voice differently in both ANH and ESB. The 1997 SE of ANH has his voice mixed the same as the original but the 2004 DVD mixes it to where it’s a bit cleaner sounding than the original but very soft. For example during the dual with Ben his voice is almost drowned out by the lightsaber sounds. Sadly this is how Vader has sounded on every release since. Empire on the other hand amplifies his voice beginning with the 1997 SE and has remained so on subsequent versions.
No further audio plans as of now. For the audio send me a PM.
Not that I know of.
Audio is complete (to the best of my abilities). No plans currently for video. Aluminum Falcon has HDTV recording without the one jump so I guess you could ask him.
For the BD not much was changed. The only significant change would be the opening title card was redone to fix the noticeable jump cut during one of the transitions.
Probably not a very well known film but Horror Island (1941) reframes a scene to crop out a stage hand carrying a light on the Universal Horror Vol 3 Blu-ray set. The version on the 2009 Universal Horror Archive DVD has the original framed scene.
Here’s another wrench for ya. George argues that Han shooting second makes him like a cowboy. Well there is a factor in this that George leaves out. Han is already shown drawing his weapon moments before the actual kill. In Westerns it’s typical for the shooter to draw at more less the exact second of the kill. Han wouldn’t be drawing his weapon at all if he had no intention to kill Greedo.
And for me Gary Kurtz put it perfectly. (paraphrasing) “Han had to kill Greedo or he would lose his life”.
Full Audio specs.
File Type: wav
Size: 708 MB
Bit Rate: 1411kbps
Description: 1993 Japanese LD capture (captured by LilBrutto) synced to 2012 BD. 1991 VHS audio used minimally to fix missing spots while “God” line is restored via BD audio.
So I gave my test disc a spin and for the most part I like my results. Given this is the first time I seriously undertook something like this not bad! Obviously some scenes sync better than others but then again I also included the BD track as is on my disc and most of the same parts were still slightly out of sync so I attribute that more to the video file I used rather than my editing. Keep in mind most of the editing I was doing was to keep the audio in sync with the BD audio rather than the video. Anyways I did some hard work and I hope everyone likes it so shoot me a PM if interested. I’ll also be making a separate track that keeps the “God” line censored if anyone is interested in that! For now happy holidays everyone and thanks for your time and interest! 😃
Basic track is complete. Rendering a file now which I will test watch hopefully by the end of the weekend to see how everything comes out. This was fun and exhausting at the same time but I’m excited for the results and what everyone thinks! 😃
