crissrudd4554

No that’s not what I meant. I’m speaking in regards to you claiming they fixed what they fixed cause they “care about the original films”. If they cared for the original films then the original versions would still be around. Additionally it isn’t exactly fair to refer to the “flaws” as such when they simply are a reflection to the limits of technology to the time.

G&G-Fan said: If they actually didn’t care about the original films at all, why would they fix up some of the garbage mattes, redo the wipes, revamp the sound mix, and do every other change that objectively improved the films?

Ohhhhhh I don’t even know where to begin with this…

The SE’s mixed Vader’s voice differently in both ANH and ESB. The 1997 SE of ANH has his voice mixed the same as the original but the 2004 DVD mixes it to where it’s a bit cleaner sounding than the original but very soft. For example during the dual with Ben his voice is almost drowned out by the lightsaber sounds. Sadly this is how Vader has sounded on every release since. Empire on the other hand amplifies his voice beginning with the 1997 SE and has remained so on subsequent versions.

No further audio plans as of now. For the audio send me a PM.

Not that I know of.

Audio is complete (to the best of my abilities). No plans currently for video. Aluminum Falcon has HDTV recording without the one jump so I guess you could ask him.

For the BD not much was changed. The only significant change would be the opening title card was redone to fix the noticeable jump cut during one of the transitions.

Probably not a very well known film but Horror Island (1941) reframes a scene to crop out a stage hand carrying a light on the Universal Horror Vol 3 Blu-ray set. The version on the 2009 Universal Horror Archive DVD has the original framed scene.

Here’s another wrench for ya. George argues that Han shooting second makes him like a cowboy. Well there is a factor in this that George leaves out. Han is already shown drawing his weapon moments before the actual kill. In Westerns it’s typical for the shooter to draw at more less the exact second of the kill. Han wouldn’t be drawing his weapon at all if he had no intention to kill Greedo.

And for me Gary Kurtz put it perfectly. (paraphrasing) “Han had to kill Greedo or he would lose his life”.

Full Audio specs.

File Type: wav
Size: 708 MB
Bit Rate: 1411kbps
Description: 1993 Japanese LD capture (captured by LilBrutto) synced to 2012 BD. 1991 VHS audio used minimally to fix missing spots while “God” line is restored via BD audio.

So I gave my test disc a spin and for the most part I like my results. Given this is the first time I seriously undertook something like this not bad! Obviously some scenes sync better than others but then again I also included the BD track as is on my disc and most of the same parts were still slightly out of sync so I attribute that more to the video file I used rather than my editing. Keep in mind most of the editing I was doing was to keep the audio in sync with the BD audio rather than the video. Anyways I did some hard work and I hope everyone likes it so shoot me a PM if interested. I’ll also be making a separate track that keeps the “God” line censored if anyone is interested in that! For now happy holidays everyone and thanks for your time and interest! 😃

Basic track is complete. Rendering a file now which I will test watch hopefully by the end of the weekend to see how everything comes out. This was fun and exhausting at the same time but I’m excited for the results and what everyone thinks! 😃

Up to the mill scene. Hopefully will be done tonight! 😃

So I’m pretty close to the end of the movie. About 55 minutes in. Went back and re-tweaked a few scenes and made tweaks to others but I’m getting stumped trying to properly sync the scene where the villagers go to the gather to see the burgomaster. Hope to work around that maybe tomorrow and hopefully more or less have the rest of the movie completed tomorrow if not Saturday. Almost there! 😉

I think they were trying to drop inventory on the 2011 versions. This may have been rectified later on but I don’t know for sure.

JediKnight8484 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I think Disney/LF was trying to clear inventory of the 2011 versions. No different than how the 2019 DVDs also had the 2011 versions. It was just more simplified to have the 2019 versions pressed on standard BD for the saga set.

Can you clarify what the 2019 Blu-ray scans were? This is all so damn confusing. According to what’s spoken about on page 7 they make it sounds like the 2019 blu rays are the ones you want if you want the new scans, but I was under the impression that no new scans/color corrections happened to the movies until the 2020 releases

No the 2019 versions are the same that are on Disney+ and in the complete Saga set. It was the 2019 INDIVIDUAL BDs that reused the 2011 versions. No additional changes were made for 2020.

Sorry no updates yesterday. I was tired and my hand was/is still sore so I took a pass on working on this yesterday. But anyways I worked on it a bit today. I’m fortunately past where I was initially by the time I had chosen to start over so that’s a plus. Furthermore side one of the LD has been more or less sync’d up! Yayy!

Anyways I used the BD audio again to restore the “God” line blah blah blah you know this but I’m also gonna make a separate track when this is all complete that has the censored audio of the scene from the LD (incase anyone wants that for whatever reason). The following scene with Baron, Victor, Elizabeth, and the Burgomaster syncs perfectly, had to make minor tweaks during the transition to the next scene to sync that properly, but after that things get kinda crazy.

The discussion scene between Henry and Waldman syncs fine, the Monsters intro syncs fine but around the time the Monster rises from his seat looking up at the light it gets slightly out of sync but I fixed this. It then stays in sync til around when Fritz runs in. I was able to fix this but after that I had to make some compromises.

First it goes out of sync midway during the portion where they all are trying to restrain the Monster. Given this is the final scene of side one another issue I knew I would have was properly transitioning side one to side two. I again turned to my trusty VHS audio to fix that transition but there was still the matter of the last portion of the previous scene.

Well basically from the point of them attempting to restrain the Monster to the end of the scene the LD audio has been slowed down so the tail end will more or less sync up with both the VHS and BD audio so it’s not exactly a proper sync but the results don’t look (or sound rather) that bad. Presently I’m up to the dungeon scene. Had to make a minor tweak early in that scene but so far it seems to be syncing properly.

Anyways that’s about all I got for now. Hopefully will have more tomorrow if not Christmas. Hope everyone’s well and safe and Happy Holidays! 😃

I think Disney/LF was trying to clear inventory of the 2011 versions. No different than how the 2019 DVDs also had the 2011 versions. It was just more simplified to have the 2019 versions pressed on standard BD for the saga set.

JediKnight8484 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

The standard BDs in the saga set use the 2019 masters while the sold separately standard BDs use the 2011 masters.

I’m in the same boat looking to buy the NEW color corrected blurays (I don’t have a 4K tv) Are you certain about what you said? Seems crazy if true. That Disney released TWO different versions of Bluray’s? Do you have proof of this somewhere? Thanks.

It’s discussed in this thread.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Star-Wars-The-Skywalker-Saga-4k-UHD-27-DISC-Boxed-Set-3312020/id/71486/page/1

So I’ve kinda back tracked a bit as in I more or less started over. Not because something was messed up but the perfectionist in me thought it best to back track and see how much of the LD track lines up with the BD track. Fortunately I’m up to the lab scene again so it wasn’t a total waste.

Also I’ve discovered some interesting things about the tracks from doing it this way. For example some of the timing of the dialogue in the scene where Elizabeth and Victor visit Waldman is different on both. Elizabeth’s line “How? How? Please tell us everything whatever it is!” is actually slightly OUT of sync on the BD while it’s IN sync on the LD! No joke! Victor’s “rabbits and dogs” line also had timing differences but I wasn’t able to really do much with that given the timing between his and Waldman’s lines but I doubt anyone will notice.

Will tackle that damn “God” line (no blasphemy intended) tomorrow and hopefully at least finish up side one of the LD. I’m off Wednesday so I definitely plan to work more on this then. Hoping to have at least a test track completed either by the end of this week or sometime next week at the latest! Stay tuned for more updates! Until then good night! 😉

I’m only messing with the audio right now.

So a quick update. My wrist was hurting like hell today so I didn’t get to spend as much time on this as I wanted to but I messed with it for a bit. Anyways I basically got it all to sync properly from the time Henry leads the guests upstairs to the actual creation portion of the scene. Somewhere in that section it starts to go a bit out of sync so I did some tinkering with that.

Now for the subject of the “God” line. Well not much to say. I decided to use the BD audio again for that section as I did when re-editing Moshrom’s track. Sadly there is no “flawless” way to restore this line but I did the best I could.

Technically some audio is lost during the transition of the creation scene to the scene that introduces Baron Frankenstein. Nothing crucial, just had to drop some audio crackle during the transition/black screen to keep the next scene in sync. Anyways there’s where I’m at presently. I also had gone back and did some adjusting to an earlier section of the film. Hopefully will tackle a bit tomorrow either before and/or after work but until then good night! 😃

Ooooooffff definitely need a break from that! Anyways that bit where I said it goes out of sync around the point that Henry and Fritz come down the stairs took me a bit of time and editing to get right but so far I think it’s coming along ok. Will definitely have more time tomorrow to focus on this but wanted to give a quick update. Anyways have a good day for now everyone! 😉

The standard BDs in the saga set use the 2019 masters while the sold separately standard BDs use the 2011 masters.