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#1261079
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E.T. sound alternate sound mix
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The two VHS copies of the theatrical cut I had didn’t include the terrorist line. So basically it was along the lines of.

Mary: You won’t get four blocks in this neighborhood dressed like that.

Michael: Please?

Mary: No and that is final.

Michael: All the guys are!

In fact I’m not sure I was even aware of the terrorist line until the 2002 DVD. As far as other differences there might be I can’t really comment because I don’t have the BD release and thus not sure what the theatrical mix on that release sounds like at least compared to my VHS and DVD releases which I do know have additional audio changes outside of the terrorist line or lack there of.

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#1260961
Topic
With 20th century in Disney’s grasp, what are the odds of an OUT release?
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Density said:

It doesn’t make much sense to withhold them out of “respect for George” considering he did allow the GOUT to be released, effectively backtracking on his earlier vow that there would be only one version. Sure not much effort was put into the GOUT, but I seem to recall him saying the only reason for that was cost, not that he still was zealously opposed to the existence of the OUT. Then when he sold Star Wars, he basically threw up his hands and said he didn’t care anymore. If Disney was so concerned with respecting George anyway, they wouldn’t have tossed out his story ideas for the sequels. I can assure you they are much more concerned with making money, and this would make money. Kathleen Kennedy’s comments did seem to be more about addressing the fact that they would not create another SE by tinkering with the films farther past George’s last changes; that doesn’t preclude releasing the OUT.

This^

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#1256844
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Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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kchrules said:

crissrudd4554 said:

kchrules said:

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws
Terminator
Halloween
Psycho
Mad Max

There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

though fortunately for at least most of these movies the original mono/dolby mix was provided alongside the 5.1 version on their blu ray releases (Terminator being the only exception), though for Grease the original Dolby mix finally resurfaced in 5.1 form on the recent 40th anniversary release

Ah good, I hope the 40th Anniversary Grease has the original “Hopelessly Devoted” without background vocals. I have the laserdisc and VHS with the original Dolby.

The mix on the new release is from the an original six track mix. None of the changes made for the 1998 mix are present.

https://youtu.be/cuXu4e-tozs

That’s amazing. It even has the old paramount music. Definitely gonna have to invest in it

Yep. Well worth the purchase. Some have mixed feelings on the color timing of this release but it frankly doesn’t bother me that much. My only pet peeve though some may call this an advantage is the blurred Coke posters have now been digitally replaced by Pepsi posters. It’s not bad but a bit hastily done in a few spots. If only they could just present the original film sans the blurs but I guess the blurs were permanently cut into the negative.

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#1256794
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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kchrules said:

SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws
Terminator
Halloween
Psycho
Mad Max

There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

though fortunately for at least most of these movies the original mono/dolby mix was provided alongside the 5.1 version on their blu ray releases (Terminator being the only exception), though for Grease the original Dolby mix finally resurfaced in 5.1 form on the recent 40th anniversary release

Ah good, I hope the 40th Anniversary Grease has the original “Hopelessly Devoted” without background vocals. I have the laserdisc and VHS with the original Dolby.

The mix on the new release is from the an original six track mix. None of the changes made for the 1998 mix are present.

https://youtu.be/cuXu4e-tozs

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#1256676
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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ChainsawAsh said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Additionally some BD releases of Halloween and Mad Max have mono tracks that are actually downmixes of the surround track. The recent UHD release of Halloween sadly is one of them.

Then there’s also the fact that a lot of times, when original mixes are provided, they’re in much lower quality (say, 192kbps AC3) compared to the modern remix (often lossless). Older laserdisc releases’ uncompressed PCM audio will often be superior, even if it’s the same mix.

This is partly why I prefer the mono for Jaws on the 2005 DVD in spite of its minor imperfections over the mono track included on the BD.

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#1256641
Topic
Mono soundtracks that were butchered with 5.1 remixes in later releases
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SpacemanDoug said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Jaws
Terminator
Halloween
Psycho
Mad Max

There’s also been examples such as Grease and Scarface where although the original mixes were not mono they still were given 5.1 remixes later on that completely revised everything.

though fortunately for at least most of these movies the original mono/dolby mix was provided alongside the 5.1 version on their blu ray releases (Terminator being the only exception), though for Grease the original Dolby mix finally resurfaced in 5.1 form on the recent 40th anniversary release

It was based off an original six track mix which I believe was only used in a preview showing. The general release had a two channel stereo mix.

Additionally some BD releases of Halloween and Mad Max have mono tracks that are actually downmixes of the surround track. The recent UHD release of Halloween sadly is one of them.

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#1254748
Topic
FINALLY watching the GOUT Trilogy properly
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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Fang Zei said:

Speaking of which, did we ever determine what film element the unaltered GOUT crawl would’ve been scanned from?

Lucasfilm’s form response letter at the time stated that existing prints were in “bad condition” or something to that effect, but they didn’t exactly help their case by splicing in a newly transferred piece that looked just fine to me.

I’m curious if it’s a recreation after watching this video. In the GOUT the SW logo fades out sooner than it does on 4K77 and the SSE.

https://youtu.be/P1b47UP6ZGI

The star field is also less pronounced, so it could be a matter of contrast levels making it seem to fade to zero faster than it actually does.

Hmmm not sure about that. The logo does seem to disappear rather instantly on the GOUT at the 0:40 second mark.

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#1254504
Topic
FINALLY watching the GOUT Trilogy properly
Time

Fang Zei said:

Speaking of which, did we ever determine what film element the unaltered GOUT crawl would’ve been scanned from?

Lucasfilm’s form response letter at the time stated that existing prints were in “bad condition” or something to that effect, but they didn’t exactly help their case by splicing in a newly transferred piece that looked just fine to me.

I’m curious if it’s a recreation after watching this video. In the GOUT the SW logo fades out sooner than it does on 4K77 and the SSE.

https://youtu.be/P1b47UP6ZGI

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#1250345
Topic
Frankenstein (1931) Audio Preservation
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Hello. Sorry there haven’t been any recent updates for this. The last major update I got on this was on FanRes a few months ago so hopefully we’ll have something within the next year.

Post 348

https://forum.fanres.com/thread-712-post-43733.html#pid43733

Anyways the real reason I came in here today was to share a new comparison video I made comparing the BD audio to the LD audio. While the purpose of the video is mostly to compare quality, there were some examples where dialogue/sound effects were different in certain scenes which I have annotated in the video. Anyways check it out if you are interested.

https://vimeo.com/295910511

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#1248442
Topic
The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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MaximRecoil said:
Thanks for the offer. I plan to watch it on an actual VCR connected to my old standard definition CRT TV, and I want to capture the audio either way, but if it’s not too much trouble, I’d like to have the one you did as a point of comparison. If it turns out that the audio you captured sounds better than my stab at it, I’ll keep your version.

I didn’t actually capture it myself. A friend who used to copy tapes for my dad and I did it for me. Anyways the disc is actually at my other place so I’ll have to pop over there sometime this week to grab it.

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#1248383
Topic
The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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nedmerrill said:

I don’t know why you’d need to rip the VHS audio if u have the LD audio. It sounds pretty good as is for mono.

As I mentioned earlier the Thorn EMI release had an early attempt at mixing the sound in stereo. The LD mono is still the superior mix but that earlier Fake ‘Chace’ mix as it’s been called might still be worth preserving.

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#1248332
Topic
The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
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The Thorn EMI tape has what has been called the Fake ‘Chace’ mix. This was apparently an early attempt to mix the film in stereo using the original mono elements. Some of the differences show such as the dialogue in the Police Station shootout being noticeably more louder and clearer. However the biggest letdown of the mix is the audio is the wrong pitch. By the early ‘90s this mix was dropped and they reverted back to the original mono until the surround mix was made for the Special Edition DVD. I know someone on FanRes had taken the Fake ‘Chace’ mix and synced it to the BD and had also pitched correct it. I don’t have the track myself but here’s a link to the thread.

https://forum.fanres.com/thread-589.html?highlight=Terminator+fake+Chace

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#1248329
Topic
The Terminator (1984) - Original Theatrical Mono Preservation
Time

The Thorn EMI tape has what has been called the Fake ‘Chace’ mix. This was apparently an early attempt to mix the film in stereo using the original mono elements. Some of the differences show such as the dialogue in the Police Station shootout being noticeably more louder and clearer. However the biggest letdown of the mix is the audio is the wrong pitch. By the early ‘90s this mix was dropped and they reverted back to the original mono until the surround mix was made for the Special Edition DVD.

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#1248142
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
Time

SilverWook said:

The arms were a bit of a giveaway. Dave Prowse has beefier limbs. That was an odd shot for Kenner to pick out of what must be hundreds or more Vader photos to choose from.

Kinda reminds me of when Universal used a photo of Boris Karloff in a test makeup for Frankenstein on a VHS cover instead of choosing from dozens of photos of him in the finalized makeup!

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