crissrudd4554

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

I don’t understand this on two levels.

Well ROTS I was very pleased with when I first saw it

You must have not seen it in a long time.

No the last time I watched it was about a year or two ago. I was just mentioning that I was very pleased with it in my first viewing as well as my subsequent viewings. I know you dont like the prequels Frink but lets not be subjective. Yes the prequels have flaws just anything else but Id rather live with them good or bad then wonder what the events were that preceded the OT.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

I don’t understand this on two levels.

Well ROTS I was very pleased with when I first saw it so IMO its the best of the prequels. I was pleased with TFA too so they tied in my list but incase I get any picky people who go you ‘cant have ties in the list’ I gave ROTS the lead over TFA.

Removed

Cant recall if I answered this thread or not but anyways.

1. TESB
2. SW (or ANH)
3. ROTJ
4. ROTS
5. TFA
6. TPM
7. AOTC

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

There’s actually already a thread dedicated to this topic 😉

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Which-version-release-of-the-SW-movies-do-you-watch-and-why/id/12446

I had mentioned Jaws. Here’s some screen grabs from the 2005 DVD and the 2012 BD. A bit tough to spot but the first example shows a wire balancing the buoy on the '05 DVD (look closely to the right of the buoy).

Second might be a bit tough to spot but to the far left is a sailboat on the horizon on the '05 DVD.

I had mentioned Bride of Frankenstein. Last night I noticed a similar change to a shot in the first film. This occurs in the shot of Henry and Fritz wheeling the slab with the corpse towards the gallows. It’s a bit complicated to explain but I’ll do my best.

In this shot there’s a pointed rock formation we see in the foreground which our guys pass under as they go up the hill. Just before Henry is about to pass under, it jumps to them partially further up the hill. In every release prior to 2012 (I checked this on the 1991 VHS and 2006 DVD) this either looks as if they cut to a different shot or perhaps it had been a continuous shot but a few seconds of footage was either cut or lost. On the BD, the framing has been altered and some digital altering may have been done so it now ‘almost’ looks like a continuous shot but yet our guys still noticeably jump farther up the hill. For more specifics check out post #178 in the link below.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/46057/Re-FRANKENSTEIN-on-BluRay-1931?page=-1#.V1Lj3zUrJdg

Is this a sign??? This clip recently posted on the Terminator Facebook page uses the mono track instead of the surround track!!!

https://www.facebook.com/181221288646788/videos/797382157030695/

Circa 1996 or 1997. According to my dad I was fascinated by my brothers Darth Vader action figure and I guess it grew from there. I was like 4 at the time. First trilogy set was the '95 ‘One Last Time’ set. I actually have a picture somewhere of me unwrapping it when I got it as a gift from my grandmother. Dad, stepmom, brother and I saw the SE of ANH in the theatre.

For enjoyment:

4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7

For complete story:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

16mm print is on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAWS-1975-STEVEN-SPIELBERG-MASTERPIECE-16MM-FEATURE-FILM-ON-4-REELS-/331868853155?hash=item4d44ecd3a3:g:ID8AAOSwY0lXTMBO

The colors aren’t perfect but I don’t classify it as a ‘change’ per se hence why I dont argue them as much as the revisionist changes. I’m also not a color expert so I feel better staying away from arguments that deal with coloring. Have I seen reissued films with bad coloring?? Sure. Personally Im not crazy about the coloring on the BD for The Neverending Story. Ivory Tower scenes looks too yellow and many scenes just look plain dark. All in all, SE or OUT, the SW films need new restorations. The time has come.

The BD for Bride of Frankenstein makes a ‘fix’ to a shot of the Monster approaching the hermit’s cabin. Previously it started in a wide shot which cut to a somewhat closer shot midway. On the BD, Universal attempted to make it look like one continuous shot by enlarging the farther shot to match the closer shot. IMO this looks worse then before. The transition between both shots is still pretty noticeable especially since a tree branch that was waving in the foreground in the farther shot now magically disappears! For a better examination check out post 27 in the link below.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/46058/BRIDE-OF-FRANKENSTEIN-on-BluRay-1935?page=2#.V0orECMrLPA

The BD for Jaws removes the wire balancing the buoy during Chrissie’s death scene as well as a sailboat seen on the horizon later in the film.

Does this thread only focus on visual changes or do audio changes count as well??

Also I’m pretty sure the snake reflection is still missing on the Raiders BD.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

with incredibly rare screenings of the original 1997 special edition versions of A NEW HOPE, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and THE RETURN OF THE JEDI.

yawn

BEEN THERE DONE THAT

This book Im reading is very interesting

When you’re young your opinions can be very biased since you’re mind has to mature. Looking back on it, as a child I insisted the original cuts were better however I realize now that that was born out of my nostalgic love for them. Although I didn’t really get into SW until probably the time the SEs came out I had already overly exposed myself to the OUT by the time I owned the SEs on video. In recent years I’ve tried to not let my personal opinion affect why I think the OUT needs saving. No matter what there’s never gonna be a unanimous answer to which is better. However I agree the originals were products of their time and need preserving. History should not be rewritten as it is regardless of how good or bad the originals may be. Movies are like people. Some age well some don’t. But that’s no reason to erase something that’s made a cultural impact.

SilverWook said:

Thanks again.

The recent edited for tv version airing on AMC may be derived from a new master, as the tennis ball is proper yellow again. They also digitally censored the Room 237 ghost, which was done optically in older tv versions.

Just watched the scene on AMC. You are correct.

I’ll have to double check.

Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

My video again incase anyone missed it. It was a little far down on the previous page.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Very interesting,thanks! Are there any differences with the mono track from the 1995 Signature Collection box set also,compared to the tracks in your video?

That 1991 track with the replacement background music during the Kintner scene sounded sh*t.

The 1995 LD most likely matches the 1997 LD since I have the 1995 VHS and the examples I noted from the LD are present on that VHS.

My video again incase anyone missed it. It was a little far down on the previous page.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

And I dont know if its me but it seems the blood of the chum has a bit of a pinkish look to it yet it looks red on the old DVD.

What boggles my mind is how back in 2011 Spielberg said there would be NO more alterations to his films yet they do this. One of the guys in charge of the Jaws restoration said ‘Steven wants to keep it true to the original’. Then how is upscaling a mix that sounds NOTHING like the original keeping true to the original?? Thats like having a pink house which one day gets painted black. Then one day the owner says ‘I want go back to the original’ but instead does pink polka dots. Just puzzles me but thats Hollywood for you. Audio aside, I also noticed two digital alterations as well. First the wire balancing the buoy in Chrissie’s death scene is gone and also a small glint of a sailboat seen on the horizon later in the film was removed.

The 7.1 mix is actually an upscale of the 5.1 mix from the original DVD release and as a result still features most of the new sound FX added back in 2000. Some original sound FX were restored but not much. The only ones Ive noticed were the original whale cry, Brody pumping the rifle before climbing the mast, and the ricochet when the bullet hits the airtank. Many fans were quite pleased the latter was restored and rightly so but personally I dont think it meshes well with the newer sound effects. There were some things about the 7.1 mix that I think improved over the 5.1. Brody’s ‘bigger boat’ line is somewhat louder and not as drowned out by the music as it was on the 5.1. When he says ‘Smile you son of bi***’ its also somewhat louder than on the 5.1 although ‘bi***’ is still obscured by the bullet shot. You can only properly hear that word in the mono mix. Just the same I prefer the mono mix either way although it is a shame that even the version of that track thats in use now has issues.

Heres the video I promised. If it helps perhaps watching with ear phones will make certain things stand out more. The purpose was to point out the differences among the mono mixes yet I used the surround mix for a few examples.

https://vimeo.com/166704816

Not gonna lie. I would pay to see that!