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imperialscum said:

slask said:

As for Christensen, why should they change it back?

Because I don't like it.

 Also it makes no sense. Lucas claims he did it because thats the way Anakin appeared when he 'died' as in assumed the identity of Darth Vader and Anakin was no more. But Anakin had redeemed himself when he died and was once again a good man. If Jedi's are suppose to take on the form they were in when they 'died' it would make sense for Anakin to appear old. The old Anakin represents the redeemed Anakin Skywalker, the Anakin who did indeed bring balance to the force by destroying Palpatine.

skyjedi2005 said:

But it is pretty much clear as day a fact at least to me, as long as the original movies no longer exists.  I would not have a problem with the special edition if it did not replace the real films i grew up with.

Lucas is of the opinion that allowing choice is bad and that multiple versions should not compete with each other, not based on his words but based on his actions.

Ridley Scott had a final definitive vision of blade runner but it did not stop him and the studio from releasing the other versions of that film.

 True. Lucas even tries contradicting his quote from the '80's of how films should be preserved. He now words it that its wrong for people who were not involved with the making of the film to get to get their hands on classic films and make changes. Lucas feels that should be the directors choice which is why he's moved forward on continually changing his films. Do I agree with it personally? Yes and no. Directors I agree should have a say in how films are going to be presented on future releases. Spielberg said a few years ago he is not making any further changes to his films. It'd be a shame that after he's gone and cant control what happens to his films that studios are now getting their hands on it, adding CGI in Jaws, removing the guns again in ET, ect. Regardless of if it enhances the films for better or worse, my vote would be worse, its an insult to Spielberg's choice to leave his films untouched. Now do I think George has no right to do what he does? No. Its his films so he can do what he wants. But rewriting history and pretending that there's only one definitive version when he keeps making changes anyway I disagree with. And as far as him updating to match his 'vision', that claim is getting old. The fact he wants to make changes to connect with the prequels shows he's going against his original vision. And frankly some of the recent changes are ridiculous. Vader saying 'noooo', Obi-Wan's 'call', the dug in Jabba's palace, Jabba's new palace door.

I agree. I don't mind the 'do it cause we cans' to an extent. I don't mind if it's to give an alternate spin on what could have been but when it's done to replace a part of history is when I draw the line. As long as the original product is still available to the public I don't mind changes to any film. But if it's the case of it replacing the original like it is with Star Wars I won't have that. It's an insult to the fans and those who helped make the original into the groundbreaking saga it was.

Well I prefer things left unchanged but I do have certain exceptions. Cleaning out dirt and color correcting the image so it looks as good if not better than it was in first run? Fine. The actual film itself was not changed. Remastering the original sound elements so the music, dialogue, and sound effects sound as good if not better in first run? Fine. The sound itself was not changed. Digitally removing or enhancing a scene with CGI elements to ‘improve’ the scene? No. Rerecording or replacing portions of the audio with either rerecorded or unused pieces to ‘enhance’ the sound? No. So in regards to the Special Editions, I am not a huge fan of them. However, I respect Lucas’ choice in doing them. Its his methods of rewriting history by saying ‘the original doesn’t exist anymore’, he wants the originals destroyed, and the Special Edition is ‘the’ version that will only exist that I am unhappy with. If he would package the two together so everyone if not most people would be happy there would be no need to fuss. Yes he says he feels its the ‘director’s prerogative’ to enhance their films but he must understand that once upon a time a version of Star Wars was completed with the technology given at the time and released to worldwide acclaim. He also must remember there’s a big fanbase that prefers these versions. Now me, I say Lucas can do what he wants to his films but his not making the originals unavailable anymore is just wrong. This is strictly opinion of course.

Luke's lightsaber in the first scene in Ben's hut always had a greenish blue look to me in some prints (pre-1993 video prints at least) while it always looked more white to me in the Falcon scene. Also any notice Obi-Wan's saber looking white in the cantina scene in the pre-1993 video releases??

While I am a purist that prefer things left alone I'll give a few examples that I could 'live with'. Matte line removal (blends objects into the scenery better), Lightsaber adjustments (when done right), and I suppose the updated Landspeeder. Sorry if this is a short list for you Special Edition fans, there's not much that was done that really made me feel it improved the films. Thats strictly my opinion of course. Expanding Mos Eisley and Cloud City is nice but also I feel its more of a 'do it because we can' as opposed to 'do it because we should'. I feel that especially with the changes they made in 2011 like the pointless rocks they added in front of R2-D2, expansion of the front gate to Jabba's palace, or Vader's 'NOOOO'. 

I also have the 'Five Star Collection' DVDs of the '97 SE's and the timing on that from what I can see seems identical to the '04 DVDs.

Quick question Harmy and if this was mentioned earlier I apologize. I noticed on your ReSpecialized version that the timing of the Fox and Lucasfilm logos is different than the way it was on the VHS and (I'm assuming) Laserdisc of the '97 SE. Was this intentional? Is the way you have it the way it actually appeared when shown in theaters in '97? Just asking. Another awesome piece of work you've reconstructed!

I was able to successfully burn the DeSpecialized version of Star Wars to DVD about a week ago with the various audio tracks. Quality was a tad reduced but not too bad. Still looks excellent and better than GOUT! Just wanna give a big thumbs up to Harmy and those who contributed for the hard work into putting this DeSpecialized version together. Keep up the good work guys!

captainsolo said:

As I understood it, Uni was too cheap to pay music licensing and would re-score source cues and potentially remix the audio. The 1995 signature LD restored the original music and should be the original mono in PCM. I figured the DVD was a lossy port of this, and the BD a slightly higher res copy.

 There was a piece of music that was replaced in The Invisible Man in the scene where Griffin sneaks into Kemp's house and every release of the film until the BluRay and 2014 DVD had the replaced song. As a result there were a few sound effects missing from the rescored version such as the sound of the door closing as Griffin enters the house.

TServo2049 said:

(EDIT: I checked LDDB, the notes say "Top left of the jacket states: Home Video Version, Some Music Rescored." So I guess the Signature is the way to go for a PCM mono preservation. Though it would be interesting to compare the two in all other aspects...)

 Here is an Amazon.com image of the 1991 Jaws VHS (I have this edition). It states 'Home Video Version  Some Music Rescored'. Also is there anyone who could assist me in creating an account with MySpleen????? 

Also in regards to music being rerecorded in Jaws, again I don't know much in regards to the Laserdisc but I do know that pre-1995 VHS' had a different song playing in the beach scene where the kid on the raft is killed. The original song was 'Having my Baby' by Paul Anka or at least I assume it's the original song since its been on every release from '95 onwards and there's been no mention on any of those releases of rerecorded music yet some of the tapes with the other song did.

Someone asked earlier if the mono on the Jaws BluRay is the best version of the mono. I personally don't know since I dont own a BluRay player and hence dont own the Jaws BluRay. But I did get the Jaws 2012 DVD which did have the mono. I don't know if thats the same mix as the one on the BluRay (DVD mono is Dolby, BluRay mono is DTS) but this mix is ok. Not great but doable. I think the mono mix on the 2005 DVD was slightly better. I've never owned a Laserdisc player either so I dont know how that sounds either but I would definitely like to see it synced to the BluRay footage since if its anything like the mix on the 1995 Widescreen VHS it'll be good. There were certain things that stood out in the mono mix on the VHS than the DVD mono such as the dialogue thats shouted in the scene where the shark tows the boat. Hooper's line 'It's impossible! It's impossible! The line is too tight! He's towing us!' was more clearer on the VHS. Also after Chrissie's death, they cut to Cassidy lying on the beach and a wave washes over him after which on the VHS we hear him burp. The burp is not heard on either the mono or 5.1 mixes on the DVD. So anyways I'd like to see the Laserdisc track synced to the BluRay to see how that sounds. Anyways I have a question. Does anyone have the 1987 Laserdisc for Frankenstein?? I'd like to see that synced to the BluRay. I really wasn't pleased with audio mix used on the Blu for Frankenstein. It's even missing portions of the audio such as the echo to the Monster's growl when Henry and Waldman descend the staircase to go to the cellar where they discover Fritz's death. These missing portions should be on the Laserdisc (they were on the '87 VHS). Note: the Laserdisc should have the censored version of Henry's line 'Now I know what it feels like to be GOD!' which was restored on the BluRay. I dont know if anyone wants to leave the Laserdisc audio untouched or perhaps do some editing to restore the censored line.

I think I read about that somewhere

Just a question. No need to be rude you jerk!!! :p If I had any preservation knowledge I would preserve it myself and have no need to post here and deal with harrassers like you! If you ask me you're the one who should go away!

Okay I know most RoboCop fans are more favorable of Paul Verhoeven's cut as opposed to the theatrical cut. However, considering most if not all the Robo BluRays featured the director's cut, has anyone ever considered upscaling the theatrical version of the film?? The last release of the original version was the 20th Anniversary DVD edition which had the same color issues as the BluRay version of the director's cut released around the same time. Anyways just thought I'd ask about this.

Perhaps this was discussed and I know to a degree it might be a waste since only one major part of it is different but has there been discussion of a possible despecialized edition of the 1981 rerelease? The only major part of this that is different is the opening crawl which features Episode IV A New Hope at the top and the words in the crawl are somewhat rearranged. Also the Star Wars logo fades out before the crawl starts unlike the other versions where its fades out as the crawl starts. Like I said I know to a degree this ain't a big deal cause its mostly the same film but truthfully this is probably the version of the original most people remember anyways since the only official release of the original film with the original opening crawl was the 2006 DVD. Anyways just thought Id ask.

I have the '02 DVD of Grease and NO it does not feature the original. It features a 2.0 track that uses the same elements of the 5.1 track. One thing I noticed thats present in the original (I have it on VHS) but not in the remix is someone honking their car horn when Danny's shadow blocks the movie screen while he is singing 'Sandy'. New sound effects to note in the remix is sounds added when Danny and Sandy toss their jackets in 'You're the One That I Want', thud noise when Danny falls over after Sandy sings the line 'feel your way', different bell noise when Danny plays the High striker, etc. I hope Paramount someday gives us a new restoration of the original film including the original opening Paramount logo accompanied by its original music.

I was just thinking of this the other day. Has anyone gotten anywhere with this? Me personally I prefer the miniseries version but it would be nice to see the movie version preserved and it is a better paced than the miniseries version.

Wazzles said: I hope someone makes this. It would be really interesting to see. Does anyone know if there is a comparison of the various pan and scan version out there?

 This makes me think of something I've been wanting to ask here. I was considering starting a new thread for this but since its roughly the same topic I'll just ask here. Which P&S releases do you feel had the best/worst framing??? I haven't really decided on which I think had the best but for worst I think my vote would be the 1995 VHS'. They're not bad but there's certain shots where I think the framing is a bit off. A good example is the shot where Greedo is shot where they have him framed to the left yet past releases had him centered. Another is the scene in the control room where Han sits down and says 'I'm not going anywhere'. Pre-1995 releases frame it around Han as he sits down which personally i think worked better while subsequent releases frame it around 3PO and Luke. When I get a chance I'll post some examples. If anyone else would like to share some examples go ahead. My summary is based on the US releases. I'm not sure how the UK versions look.

Yeah I'm gonna have to agree here as well. Preservation is very important and once its out there its out there. If George wants to make his revisions ok but still provide with the original on the side, both for the original trilogy and prequels! Sure puppet Yoda wasn't particularly great but that's filmmaking. Nothings perfect.

I like 'Lapti Nek'! Much better than 'Jedi Rocks'. 'Lapti Nek' sounds like a song. 'Jedi Rocks' is just…ewww. Then again I also one of the few not annoyed and prefers 'Yub Nub'. Just my opinions of cousre.

I think a better question would be is if this does actually happen will Lucas still be on good terms with everyone??? (Lucasfilm, Fox, Disney, etc.) Sometimes I wonder if he had expected them to eventually get around to remaster the originals and if not if he'd feel betrayed that his own company would go against his 'vision'.

darklordoftech said: I can live without the 97 versions. Something that I'd much rather see than the 97 versions is the mono mix. It was what most people heard in 1977 and therefore is part of the 1977 experience. 

 I agree. The mono mix should definitely be preserved. Especially since much of the different sounds and dialogue that was added to the SE that was not present on the stereo mix of the original was derived from the mono mix. Examples such as Threepio's tractor beam line and the trooper's 'close the blast doors' are sometimes generally considered SE changes but actually were from the mono mix of the original!

darklordoftech said:

TV's Frink said:

Why is this thread still going?

because this website was created in order to get the OOT released, and this thread is about the OOT getting released.

 And yet we do all this discussing on whether the 97 versions will get released or some super dooper scruffy nerfheder dianoga wampa deluxe completed version!!!