crissrudd4554

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Density said:

TROLL IN THE DUNGEON

Thought you ought to know.

SIIIILLLEEENCE!!!

Fang Zei said:

Density said:

moviefreakedmind said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Unless they’re planning a wider, home media release of the '97 (which I doubt)

This will never happen. I’d bet my entire savings that it will never happen, ever. Even if it does, I’m not out anything because I’d probably die of shock.

They certainly won’t do a standalone release of the 97, but I don’t think it’s out of the question at all that it’s included as part of a Blade Runner-esque box of all cuts of the OT.

That’s certainly been my preferred scenario for a while now. I know most people would be overjoyed enough to finally have a properly restored OOT, but the ‘97 version provides the proper historical context for Lucas’ revising of the films in the first place and would be conspicuously absent in a “definitive” collection.

They still show the '97 prints at the AFI Silver from time to time, although I don’t pay super close attention to the schedule. A couple years back they were showing ANH as part of an Alec Guinness series and RotJ as part of a collection of 80’s movies they would change up every summer (they finally moved on to the 90’s this year, maybe they’ll show a print of TPM at some point😆).

Following the scenario that the OUT could be restored one day, I don’t think simply releasing the OUT as is, not counting extras, would not be a sufficient way to appeal to the fans. If its strictly the OUT, SE fans will complain or not buy into it and vice versa. To target a bigger fanbase into buying these films again, including multiple cuts would be a good selling point. Restoring the '97 SE’s would be welcoming to some fans since many consider them the most acceptable of all the revised versions. We’ll have to see I guess.

I know jerryshadoe on FanRes has the 1997 LD track synced to the BD. I’d actually like to maybe hear a hybrid mix using the 2005 mono as base, cause compared to the 2012 mono IMO its somewhat crisper and less flawed, but elements from the LD track. Another issue the 2005 and 2012 mono tracks have is some slight crackle in some places, notably the shark cage attack.

I meant if there was perhaps a clause in this deal that prevents the OUT from ever being released which some have hypothesized before. Me personally I don’t think that’s the case. As you said once the deals done it’s done. I was implying that we don’t know for sure if anything OUT related was put in writing in the deal other than its out of Lucas’ hands which at which point we just ruled out our own theory.

Going back to the question of whether GL is really truly absolutely positively 100% against the OUT being properly restored and released to the public, I think much of that has died out within the last few years. Someone on the Steve Hoffman Forum site who apparently has worked for LF has mentioned himself that GL is not fully against it, its just he doesnt wanna spend the money on it. I mean who knows. The stories that the original negatives were destroyed. Was this GL’s excuse so fans are assured that the OUT will never be seen again or is it his excuse so fans know he wont spend the money to restore them?? Or both?? Also apparently some 8 or 9 years ago someone sent a request to Lucas claiming he had prints of the OUT which he’d restore for nothing! He never got a response.

However, I think the assumption that he never wants them released is irrelevant now. I think if it mattered THAT much to him charges would probably have fallen upon Harmy by now. No way anyone here is gonna tell me GL does not know of the DeSpecialized versions. If I had to take my guess, I dont think GL is the obstacle at this point. He’s not in charge anymore and plus Disney/LF even rejected his story ideas for TFA. If they can do that surely they should be able to move forward with an OUT restoration but then again I as everyone else don’t know the full specifics of GL’s deal with Disney. I will say this. I actually consider a lack of response from LF/Disney a good omen because perhaps it hints something IS happening. When Lucas was in charge at least he was upfront. This isn’t to say I’m getting my hopes up but I have a feeling something is being planned for the 40th anniversary.

I actually had a dream last night that we finally got a legit OUT release. It opened with a fake version of the opening crawl which turned out to be a gag then the movie appeared to start again but it looked like a shitty non-anamorphic VHS transfer but this turned out to be another gag and then the legit restored movie started playing. Come to think of it it would be amusing if Disney/Lucasfilm chose to tease us with how the OUT is being handled given its reputation as one of the most if not the most desired movie restorations in cinema’s history.

Fair enough.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

The originals - nothing

The SE’s - revert to original but Harmy’s done that for us

Neither of these make sense by the parameters of the question.

You just saying that because I posted it??

No.

In the simplest terms I would not change anything to the OUT.

McDiarmid will always be Palpatine in all our minds but as far as the scene in ESB I prefer the original. Maybe Im speaking out of nostalgia but yeah I agree with some of the above. The new version seems to be a bit half-assed. I understand the continuity factor but I think it lags here. McDiarmid delivers his dialogue too slow I think and looks and speaks as if, and probably was, he was reading his lines as they filmed him. Also the retooled dialogue is unnecessary but thats not McDiarmid’s fault. This is a scene I thought was done pretty nice in Adywan’s cut. So its difficult to say. As an OUT supporter I’ll say the original.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

The originals - nothing

The SE’s - revert to original but Harmy’s done that for us

Neither of these make sense by the parameters of the question.

You just saying that because I posted it?? What’s your problem lately dude??

The originals - nothing

The SE’s - revert to original but Harmy’s done that for us

Doesn’t empirically still imply objectivism???

I’m a boy though.

Necessary quotation marks are necessary

This all started because Frink did not ‘understand’ my list. My apologies to everyone for letting my initial response to the thread’s topic let things go off tangent.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Not to mention I’ve seen people comment here who said they saw the PT trilogy first so it’d be unfair for us to hold it against them for liking them.

Many people grow up as they get older.

That sounds like a Steven Wright joke.

I have a soft spot for Jaws the Revenge yet its widely regarded as one of the worst movies EVER!! Pffft please I’ve seen worse. Yes it is FAAAARRRRRRR from a perfect movie. Shark is faker than ever, no Roy Scheider, shark explosion is utter BS, you guys can fill in the rest. But for something to pop in once and a while for shits and giggles I can tolerate it. Whether there are films that a majority can view as objectively bad doesnt change the fact we’re only speaking of a certain group of people and ignoring the fact there is a group of people who think otherwise. Case and point, put all of the SW fans in one room. Let’s say 85% all agree the PT is utter garbage. Again thats a majority. There’s still 15% who think differently on the subject. Not to mention I’ve seen people comment here who said they saw the PT trilogy first so it’d be unfair for us to hold it against them for liking them.

Density said:

imperialscum said:

I just dropped by to throw in some facts. Films cannot be objectively bad or good as there is no objective measure for that. And yes, opinion cannot be wrong or right. And the person who came up with the dumb example of moon landing dispute should better educate himself on a difference between an opinion and a claim.

Yes, thank you. You can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your own facts. Your view on the quality of a movie is an opinion. It’s subjective and there is no way to measure it as objectively true or not. But your view on the actuality of the moon landing is, as you put it, a “claim” that is dependent on the facts. It’s either true or not true, because either the moon landing happened (it did) or it didn’t happen. That is a matter of fact, not opinion. Whether Revenge of the Sith is a good movie or not is not.

Well worded guys! Couldn’t agree more!

Or perhaps comparing brands like Breyers vs Turkey Hill or something.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Tyrphanax said:

If you acknowledge it, it is true.

I’m just playing checkers while crissrudd4554 is playing chess.

Well at least I know I can’t win or lose

I thought you were a fortune cookie but now I think you might be WOPR.

War Operation Plan Response???

TV’s Frink said:

Tyrphanax said:

If you acknowledge it, it is true.

I’m just playing checkers while crissrudd4554 is playing chess.

Well at least I know I can’t win or lose

TV’s Frink said:

It has been proven to be a bad movie both here and elsewhere, and it’s a tiresome discussion that I’m not interested in repeating yet again. You are welcome to like any bad movie you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad movie.

“An opinion” doesn’t explain to me WHY someone would like the movie. It’s a “what” rather than a “why.”

Beyond that, the idea that I’ve proved something isn’t bad because I responded to someone who thinks it isn’t bad…is nonsensical. The fact that Hansi thinks he’s funny and I tell him he’s not does not prove that he is.

Frink, buddy. Another persons why can another persons what. For example, I like Hershey’s without almonds yet most people I know prefer them with almonds. My reason for not wanting almonds is probably the reason why some would prefer almonds. It’s called personal taste. As I was trying to point out before the reason ‘you’ may not like the prequels is likely the same reason some may prefer the prequels. Now granted I put myself in the majority who prefers the OUT over the PT but I will accept the PT for what it is for better or worse. And just because something has been agreed upon by many as good or bad doesn’t always proof it’s good or bad. Majority does not equal everyone. I’m not trying to feud here with you just trying to explain. You have an opinion I will respect it but just remember everyone has different tastes and sadly that’s just life.

TV’s Frink said:

Which part of this:

TV’s Frink said:

I never said he was wrong to like a bad movie. I just said I don’t understand it.

is causing the disconnect with reality for you two?

No disconnect. Yes we know you dont understand why some would like the prequels. Its called an opinion. Also you said Im not wrong to like a ‘bad movie’. That again goes back to what I said about speaking subjectively rather than objectively. You technically proved its not a bad movie if youre gonna respond to someone who thinks otherwise.

darthrush said:

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

Just for the record I’ve been on this site since 2012. I’m pretty much used to Frink’s uh well you know.

I can respect people for being subjective but there’s always a fine line between stating whats true and what they think is true. Thats why in just about everything I post I put IMO. It may seem cliche but at least it shows my attempt of separating opinion from fact. Another problem is people associate opinions with facts because some share the same views. If 9 out of 10 of us agreed red was the best color, thats still not exactly a proven fact. Its just a majority agreeing on one opinion.