crissrudd4554

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This all started because Frink did not ‘understand’ my list. My apologies to everyone for letting my initial response to the thread’s topic let things go off tangent.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Not to mention I’ve seen people comment here who said they saw the PT trilogy first so it’d be unfair for us to hold it against them for liking them.

Many people grow up as they get older.

That sounds like a Steven Wright joke.

I have a soft spot for Jaws the Revenge yet its widely regarded as one of the worst movies EVER!! Pffft please I’ve seen worse. Yes it is FAAAARRRRRRR from a perfect movie. Shark is faker than ever, no Roy Scheider, shark explosion is utter BS, you guys can fill in the rest. But for something to pop in once and a while for shits and giggles I can tolerate it. Whether there are films that a majority can view as objectively bad doesnt change the fact we’re only speaking of a certain group of people and ignoring the fact there is a group of people who think otherwise. Case and point, put all of the SW fans in one room. Let’s say 85% all agree the PT is utter garbage. Again thats a majority. There’s still 15% who think differently on the subject. Not to mention I’ve seen people comment here who said they saw the PT trilogy first so it’d be unfair for us to hold it against them for liking them.

Density said:

imperialscum said:

I just dropped by to throw in some facts. Films cannot be objectively bad or good as there is no objective measure for that. And yes, opinion cannot be wrong or right. And the person who came up with the dumb example of moon landing dispute should better educate himself on a difference between an opinion and a claim.

Yes, thank you. You can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your own facts. Your view on the quality of a movie is an opinion. It’s subjective and there is no way to measure it as objectively true or not. But your view on the actuality of the moon landing is, as you put it, a “claim” that is dependent on the facts. It’s either true or not true, because either the moon landing happened (it did) or it didn’t happen. That is a matter of fact, not opinion. Whether Revenge of the Sith is a good movie or not is not.

Well worded guys! Couldn’t agree more!

Or perhaps comparing brands like Breyers vs Turkey Hill or something.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Tyrphanax said:

If you acknowledge it, it is true.

I’m just playing checkers while crissrudd4554 is playing chess.

Well at least I know I can’t win or lose

I thought you were a fortune cookie but now I think you might be WOPR.

War Operation Plan Response???

TV’s Frink said:

Tyrphanax said:

If you acknowledge it, it is true.

I’m just playing checkers while crissrudd4554 is playing chess.

Well at least I know I can’t win or lose

TV’s Frink said:

It has been proven to be a bad movie both here and elsewhere, and it’s a tiresome discussion that I’m not interested in repeating yet again. You are welcome to like any bad movie you want, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bad movie.

“An opinion” doesn’t explain to me WHY someone would like the movie. It’s a “what” rather than a “why.”

Beyond that, the idea that I’ve proved something isn’t bad because I responded to someone who thinks it isn’t bad…is nonsensical. The fact that Hansi thinks he’s funny and I tell him he’s not does not prove that he is.

Frink, buddy. Another persons why can another persons what. For example, I like Hershey’s without almonds yet most people I know prefer them with almonds. My reason for not wanting almonds is probably the reason why some would prefer almonds. It’s called personal taste. As I was trying to point out before the reason ‘you’ may not like the prequels is likely the same reason some may prefer the prequels. Now granted I put myself in the majority who prefers the OUT over the PT but I will accept the PT for what it is for better or worse. And just because something has been agreed upon by many as good or bad doesn’t always proof it’s good or bad. Majority does not equal everyone. I’m not trying to feud here with you just trying to explain. You have an opinion I will respect it but just remember everyone has different tastes and sadly that’s just life.

TV’s Frink said:

Which part of this:

TV’s Frink said:

I never said he was wrong to like a bad movie. I just said I don’t understand it.

is causing the disconnect with reality for you two?

No disconnect. Yes we know you dont understand why some would like the prequels. Its called an opinion. Also you said Im not wrong to like a ‘bad movie’. That again goes back to what I said about speaking subjectively rather than objectively. You technically proved its not a bad movie if youre gonna respond to someone who thinks otherwise.

darthrush said:

So bullying new members who happen to like the PT is inclusive and rude behavior on your part. It’s saddening that some of us create such a hostile environment.

Just for the record I’ve been on this site since 2012. I’m pretty much used to Frink’s uh well you know.

I can respect people for being subjective but there’s always a fine line between stating whats true and what they think is true. Thats why in just about everything I post I put IMO. It may seem cliche but at least it shows my attempt of separating opinion from fact. Another problem is people associate opinions with facts because some share the same views. If 9 out of 10 of us agreed red was the best color, thats still not exactly a proven fact. Its just a majority agreeing on one opinion.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

I don’t understand this on two levels.

Well ROTS I was very pleased with when I first saw it

You must have not seen it in a long time.

No the last time I watched it was about a year or two ago. I was just mentioning that I was very pleased with it in my first viewing as well as my subsequent viewings. I know you dont like the prequels Frink but lets not be subjective. Yes the prequels have flaws just anything else but Id rather live with them good or bad then wonder what the events were that preceded the OT.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

I don’t understand this on two levels.

Well ROTS I was very pleased with when I first saw it so IMO its the best of the prequels. I was pleased with TFA too so they tied in my list but incase I get any picky people who go you ‘cant have ties in the list’ I gave ROTS the lead over TFA.

Removed

Cant recall if I answered this thread or not but anyways.

1. TESB
2. SW (or ANH)
3. ROTJ
4. ROTS
5. TFA
6. TPM
7. AOTC

Truthfully ROTS and TFA are tied for me but I decided to rank fairly

There’s actually already a thread dedicated to this topic 😉

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Which-version-release-of-the-SW-movies-do-you-watch-and-why/id/12446

I had mentioned Jaws. Here’s some screen grabs from the 2005 DVD and the 2012 BD. A bit tough to spot but the first example shows a wire balancing the buoy on the '05 DVD (look closely to the right of the buoy).

Second might be a bit tough to spot but to the far left is a sailboat on the horizon on the '05 DVD.

I had mentioned Bride of Frankenstein. Last night I noticed a similar change to a shot in the first film. This occurs in the shot of Henry and Fritz wheeling the slab with the corpse towards the gallows. It’s a bit complicated to explain but I’ll do my best.

In this shot there’s a pointed rock formation we see in the foreground which our guys pass under as they go up the hill. Just before Henry is about to pass under, it jumps to them partially further up the hill. In every release prior to 2012 (I checked this on the 1991 VHS and 2006 DVD) this either looks as if they cut to a different shot or perhaps it had been a continuous shot but a few seconds of footage was either cut or lost. On the BD, the framing has been altered and some digital altering may have been done so it now ‘almost’ looks like a continuous shot but yet our guys still noticeably jump farther up the hill. For more specifics check out post #178 in the link below.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/46057/Re-FRANKENSTEIN-on-BluRay-1931?page=-1#.V1Lj3zUrJdg

Is this a sign??? This clip recently posted on the Terminator Facebook page uses the mono track instead of the surround track!!!

https://www.facebook.com/181221288646788/videos/797382157030695/

Circa 1996 or 1997. According to my dad I was fascinated by my brothers Darth Vader action figure and I guess it grew from there. I was like 4 at the time. First trilogy set was the '95 ‘One Last Time’ set. I actually have a picture somewhere of me unwrapping it when I got it as a gift from my grandmother. Dad, stepmom, brother and I saw the SE of ANH in the theatre.

For enjoyment:

4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7

For complete story:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

16mm print is on ebay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JAWS-1975-STEVEN-SPIELBERG-MASTERPIECE-16MM-FEATURE-FILM-ON-4-REELS-/331868853155?hash=item4d44ecd3a3:g:ID8AAOSwY0lXTMBO

The colors aren’t perfect but I don’t classify it as a ‘change’ per se hence why I dont argue them as much as the revisionist changes. I’m also not a color expert so I feel better staying away from arguments that deal with coloring. Have I seen reissued films with bad coloring?? Sure. Personally Im not crazy about the coloring on the BD for The Neverending Story. Ivory Tower scenes looks too yellow and many scenes just look plain dark. All in all, SE or OUT, the SW films need new restorations. The time has come.

The BD for Bride of Frankenstein makes a ‘fix’ to a shot of the Monster approaching the hermit’s cabin. Previously it started in a wide shot which cut to a somewhat closer shot midway. On the BD, Universal attempted to make it look like one continuous shot by enlarging the farther shot to match the closer shot. IMO this looks worse then before. The transition between both shots is still pretty noticeable especially since a tree branch that was waving in the foreground in the farther shot now magically disappears! For a better examination check out post 27 in the link below.

http://monsterkidclassichorrorforum.yuku.com/topic/46058/BRIDE-OF-FRANKENSTEIN-on-BluRay-1935?page=2#.V0orECMrLPA

The BD for Jaws removes the wire balancing the buoy during Chrissie’s death scene as well as a sailboat seen on the horizon later in the film.