crissrudd4554

Just to get this out of the way. I prefer the original Emperor because of nostalgia AND pacing. In the new Emperor scene Ian McDiarmid just sorta drags his dialogue and its just not one of his better performances. He speaks like he’s literally reading it straight off cue cards. Density mentions the old emperor sticks out like a sore thumb. Sorry I’m gonna have to say that about the new Emperor. The scene just drags now with the extended dialogue and McDiarmid’s rather overly monotone performance. It just looks like something that was shot in two or three takes with little to no motivation or rehearsal. Had they used the same dialogue as the original and McDiarmid perhaps reviewed the original and rehearsed it to get a better feel of the Emperor in that moment it may have been better. Granted the original is not much better either but due to nostalgia and pacing I choose it over the new one. I can’t fully blame McDiarmid since the extra dialogue was obviously not his choice but it hurts the scene. As far as how the Emperor looks, the new one was shot over 20 years later so obviously you can’t fully replicate the Emperor’s original look and for that reason I’m willing to accept it.

Also on the '95 VHS of ROTJ George even spoke briefly about the Prequels during his Leonard Maltin interview and mentioned the first film would likely be out in '98 if not '99. So the cat was already out of the bag even before the SE’s.

I could have meant that had I initially known what he was referring to.

Vegas for a comedy act. ; )

My apologies. I know you to be critical of the prequels so I thought you were being smarty at me. I guess the roles reversed here. Sorry.

TV’s Frink said:

I can think of several interpretations of that but why don’t you just tell me the right one.

Why bother?? To you it’ll be the wrong one.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I saw TPM…I was 6

Sometimes I hate this place.

Don’t let us keep you then. Im sure Vegas is waiting for you.

I saw TPM 3 times when it first came out, and although I was 6 I still remember Maul splitting in two.

While the OUT will always be the SW I know and love, Id pick '97 SE out of the updated versions. Vaders ‘Nooo’ is still missing, Sebastian Shaw’s ghost is intact, Vader’s saber in Empire is still red, CGI Jabba is horrible regardless of which version I watch, and when compared to the '04 and '11 versions, the coloring of the '97 SE is closer to the originals. Although I was as I am now more accustomed to the OUT growing up, the SE’s were still part of my childhood. I was only like 4 when they came out and I did eventually have my dad get me the SE’s on VHS. So in a way I have a special place for those cuts as well so yes in answer to the topic '97 SE all the way!

I did not have the FS edition of the 25th Anniversary DVD but the disc I had I definitely recall having the montage.

Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I do have an AMC airing of Jaws from 2003, no commercials but VHS sourced if anyone is interested in me sharing that. I’m also interested if anyone has considered doing a complete edit of the 1995 doc combining parts from all edits including the 2 hour cut on the LD/'05 DVD/BD, 10 minute cut from '95 VHS, and 1 hour cut from '00 DVD. All have certain parts not in the other. It’d be nice to cut it in a similar fashion as the one hour cut with music and photographs since the 2 hour version is cut together rather boringly.

I only noticed that the shortened version of the documentary included a never-before-seen raw outtake of the 4th of July beach panic scene.What other differences are there besides the use of production stills?I heard that there was an extended version of JAWS screened in 2000 to celebrate the 25th anniversary,it included deleted scenes but not as many as the old ABC TV edit from the late 70’s/early 80’s,is this true?

The documentary first. I have to watch the one hour version again but off hand I remember a bit where Richard Zanuck was speaking of the casting process. He said something like ‘Our philosophy was the star was the shark. We have our star so we don’t need big names. Just get good actors’. This isn’t in the two hour cut. Also the 10 minute cut is the only cut with Spielberg’s full closing line ‘Jaws was a fun movie to watch but not a fun movie to make. It was an amazing experience for me under the worst conditions, and sometimes very sweet conditions, but most of the time under the worst conditions’.

I’m not sure about the ABC edit but from what you mentioned it sounds similar to the AMC version I taped. It has a few deleted scenes but lacks a few that are in the old ABC edit notably the extended scene in the Brody kitchen and Hooper and Brody talking under the jetty before cutting open the Tiger shark. And yes it does have the horrible sound EX from the surround mix, not the original mono.

Thanks! I remember my old Australian VHS 25th anniversary fullscreen copy of JAWS from 2000,also had a cut-down version of the 1995 laserdisc documentary-now at 60 minutes.At the start it featured a rather well edited montage from the film which ended on a close-up of Quint’s face screaming as the shark bites down on his legs.This new opening for the doc was more dynamic than the original flat presentation on laserdisc.I forgot to transfer this 60 minute version to DVD-R before binning the tape.The version on the 25th anniversary R4 DVD was shortened by a further 10 minutes-and didn’t include the montage.
If you put together an extended version of the 1995 doc are you going to use the original laserdisc title cards for each chapter-which were later removed for the DVD and Blu-Ray ‘full-length versions’?

I dont actually have the LD so the best I could do is the DVD version. Odd that your 25th Anniversary DVD features a cut version of the one hour cut. The doc on the US 25th Anniversary DVD was identical to the cut on the US 25th Anniversary VHS and had the montage. However the 2012 US DVD did feature a slightly edited version of the one hour doc which lacked the montage.

Slavicuss said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I do have an AMC airing of Jaws from 2003, no commercials but VHS sourced if anyone is interested in me sharing that. I’m also interested if anyone has considered doing a complete edit of the 1995 doc combining parts from all edits including the 2 hour cut on the LD/'05 DVD/BD, 10 minute cut from '95 VHS, and 1 hour cut from '00 DVD. All have certain parts not in the other. It’d be nice to cut it in a similar fashion as the one hour cut with music and photographs since the 2 hour version is cut together rather boringly.

I only noticed that the shortened version of the documentary included a never-before-seen raw outtake of the 4th of July beach panic scene.What other differences are there besides the use of production stills?I heard that there was an extended version of JAWS screened in 2000 to celebrate the 25th anniversary,it included deleted scenes but not as many as the old ABC TV edit from the late 70’s/early 80’s,is this true?

The documentary first. I have to watch the one hour version again but off hand I remember a bit where Richard Zanuck was speaking of the casting process. He said something like ‘Our philosophy was the star was the shark. We have our star so we don’t need big names. Just get good actors’. This isn’t in the two hour cut. Also the 10 minute cut is the only cut with Spielberg’s full closing line ‘Jaws was a fun movie to watch but not a fun movie to make. It was an amazing experience for me under the worst conditions, and sometimes very sweet conditions, but most of the time under the worst conditions’.

I’m not sure about the ABC edit but from what you mentioned it sounds similar to the AMC version I taped. It has a few deleted scenes but lacks a few that are in the old ABC edit notably the extended scene in the Brody kitchen and Hooper and Brody talking under the jetty before cutting open the Tiger shark. And yes it does have the horrible sound EX from the surround mix, not the original mono.

I do have an AMC airing of Jaws from 2003, no commercials but VHS sourced if anyone is interested in me sharing that. I’m also interested if anyone has considered doing a complete edit of the 1995 doc combining parts from all edits including the 2 hour cut on the LD/'05 DVD/BD, 10 minute cut from '95 VHS, and 1 hour cut from '00 DVD. All have certain parts not in the other. It’d be nice to cut it in a similar fashion as the one hour cut with music and photographs since the 2 hour version is cut together rather boringly.

Screen shots look nice. Will definitely check this out when I get the chance! Good work!

The People vs. George Lucas is enough to convince me people outside this site care about the issue.

Sorry for the lack of updates. However this is still being worked on. This project has pretty much moved over to FanRes where the user jerryshadoe has been doing the sync work over the past few months. He was hoping to have it done by May but that wasn’t to be. I think his last update was for the end of the summer but I haven’t heard from him in about a month now. Below is a link to the project thread on that site for those who would like to catch up with this project.

http://forum.fanres.com/thread-712.html

If we are willing to believe what John Landis said a year ago that George Lucas told him Disney is restoring the OUT then the clause likely doesn’t exist.

Showing Vader return to his Star Destroyer in ESB. Not only does it replace a perfect line of dialogue (‘Bring my shuttle’), the sequence just feels out of place with everything else that’s happening. The timing in the original was just fine.

Universal actually owns a lot of old Paramount films, some of which they’ve released on video with the original studio logos intact. Island of Lost Souls springs to mind. The Hitchcock films were mentioned above. Oddly the old VHS of Psycho removed the original Paramount logo and replaced it with a B&W variant of the '70s/'80s Universal logo. Fortunately this has long since been reverted. So there’s certainly ways. However the Fox logos were removed from the digital releases of SW 1-3, 5 and 6 so who knows. I certainly hope they can keep the logo however I will agree if they do they’ll probably wanna do it before the rights are turned over in 2020 but that’s just me.

nickyd47 said:

I would digitally erase all the changes

Basically I’d pull a Harmy

Thats basically what I said but I was told there was no need to respond to the question.

Ahh gotcha. Thanks.

I think someone on MySpleen had posted a version of the movie with the correct audio. I’ll have to check.

To be fair Prequel Anakin and Obi-Wan appear twice.

Given the choice I’ll watch the OUT regardless of the format. However, certain times I may watch the SE’s. If it’s on TV and there’s nothing else on why not. Also had Lucasfilm gone through with releasing the entire saga in 3D I likely would have gone to it regardless the version. I went to the 3D version of TPM more out of loyalty to the franchise if anything even if it wasn’t particularly the SW film Id prefer to see.

They’re mostly the same but the 2012 track is slightly flawed compared to the prior releases. For a more descriptive examination check out this video I made about two months ago.

https://vimeo.com/166704816