crissrudd4554

For me I look at it like this in regards to the picky fans. There’s fans like myself who are discontent with Lucas over the OUT not being available and/or making the PT. Then you have the obnoxious clueless fans who claimed Lucas ‘raped their childhood’. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again I don’t agree much with what Lucas has done but never will stoop so low to compare what he’s given us in the past 20 years to rape. That’s just wrong, disgusting, and totally single minded.

I do believe we will get the OUT someday. Selling the same SEs won’t be enough of a selling point eventually, hell it really isn’t now. And also flawed or not the PT is what it is so I will accept it. I know others will feel different and they’re entitled to but things could be worse. I’m excited to see what’s in store for Star Wars’ 40th anniversary whether it includes the release of the OUT or not.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

emanswfan said:

I think it’s happening, but yeah I’ll keep my all caps hype posts till it actually gets announced officially at Celebration.

The SE’s only leave a really bad taste for me given the status of the original versions…

That, but also Greedo shooting, Jabba in SW, and Jedi Rocks. Other than that, yeah, go all out on an SE so long as you provide the OUT.

Don’t forget ghost Haydn.

joefavs said:

Eh. We can crow about how justified we are and how mistreated we’ve been about the OUT, but the truth is our side can be real dicks. There’s a viciousness here recently that I don’t think is proportionate or appropriate.

How true. The more time goes on the more I regret the times I said I hated George Lucas. Yes I don’t agree with a lot of what he’s done, and strong emphasis on A LOT, but from a artistic point of view I can’t really dog the guy. He created one of not only myself but millions around the world’s favorite movie franchises and changed cinema essentially forever. Some artists are perfectionists, hell Im a perfectionist, so for Lucas to want to perfect his franchise the way he wanted it it really is in poor taste to criticize him, to me at least. That being said I do find it unfortunate his views of preserving art seem to be different from ours and he did not make sure the OUT was preserved not only for the fans but for historical value as well.

SuperSecretMuffin said:

TV’s Frink said:

SuperSecretMuffin said:

moviefreakedmind said:

baron_lando said:

It’s a bummer that he has to deal with so many weirdos and jerks on twitter, but I don’t get this smug indifference about the original version. It’s not a good look for people who (either as fans, or working at LFL, or blogging about their particular Star Wars-related fetishes) are heavily invested in all the other goofy details of that world.

That’s typical of his segment of the fandom. People who love the “saga” (if you can call it that) tend to be the most rude regarding the OOT.

EDIT: Just to be clear I still don’t believe that he knows what he’s talking about.

Gee, it’s almost as if when you’re rude and condescending to peopleabout things THEY like (in this case, the Prequels and the SE) they may be rude and condescending about things YOU like (the OOT).

The OOT goes way beyond “things we like” to “things that were stolen from us.”

…even though it isn’t my preferred version…

When your preferred version is taken away you’ll understand the pain.

But nonetheless the OUT has a historical significance and fans are upset over its current lack of (legal) availability. For Pablo to get bombarded by such fans who wants those versions is no surprise. He works for Lucasfilm so naturally he’s gonna get questions regarding a possible release of the OUT while at the same time dealing with bitter people who just want want want.

Well I had been trying to perfect this since 2011 and only until about a month have I finally settled on something. Anyways I’ve devised two methods. One method I basically use for most of my tapes while the other is only for a certain group of tapes.

Method one: 2008 Dazzle used through 2008 Pinnacle Studios. Quality isn’t too bad but in some instances could be higher. For the most part Im happy with it.

Method two: 2016 Dazzle for video and 2008 VIDBOX USB Capture for audio all connected to Cyberlink PowerDirector 13. I used the 2008 VIDBOX device for better audio results since the 2016 Dazzle device, as well as the current Roxio capture device which I’ve also tested, gives off some annoying static which stands out heavily if played too loudly.

Using this method, I run everything through a separate program, in this case PowerDirector, since 2016 Pinnacle Studios does not give me the option to run two devices simultaneously unlike 2008 Pinnacle Studios. Further more I don’t run the two devices through 2008 Pinnacle Studios since the video comes out slightly stretched horizontally losing a small fraction on the right side when switched to the 2016 Dazzle (2008 Dazzle video is projected correctly). The video is projected correctly in PowerDirector.

Quality wise method two is actually a bit better than method one. However, one thing I noticed is method two does have some slight color flickering at the top which method one does not have. However I mentioned earlier that I only use method two for a certain group of tapes, most of which are black and white, so the flickering is not noticeable in those cases.

Further more I’ve also discovered that having more than one VCR on hand doesn’t hurt either. Most of the tapes Ive been capturing I do on a 2003 Panasonic VCR in the living room. However just last week I was doing a tape on that VCR and the tape had an annoying audio crackle throughout. I then captured it again using the 1999 General Electric VCR in my bedroom and it came out a lot better. Further more at my other place I also have a 2004 Sony VCR which I used to do a lot of capturing on. I always keep head cleaners on hand too. Just yesterday I found a new one for $10 in a record store and bought it. Never hurts to have more than one.

Anyways hope any of this helps.

JawsTDS said:

Fang Zei said:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/834885989583622145
Oh, God.

You don’t think…

I feel like this guy pulls stuff out his ass sometimes, merely to shut people up… and I really hope he’s wrong.

Or at the very least putting us on.

Until I see the word ‘CONFIRMED’ enter the picture, I will remain skeptical but hopeful.

Wazzles said:

crissrudd4554 said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Well, wish and hope if you want. I’m not going to begrudge you that. But maybe busting Disney’s balls a little after 5 freaking years, especially the way Lucas was criticized, might be a little more productive than everyone just shrugging their shoulders and closing their eyes.

Yeah, I’m sure the only thing that is preventing the release of the OOT is that there aren’t enough people criticizing Disney in this one random thread.

Maybe now’s a good time to get a petition going again.

What will this be, number 3? 4?

Probably.

TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Well, wish and hope if you want. I’m not going to begrudge you that. But maybe busting Disney’s balls a little after 5 freaking years, especially the way Lucas was criticized, might be a little more productive than everyone just shrugging their shoulders and closing their eyes.

Yeah, I’m sure the only thing that is preventing the release of the OOT is that there aren’t enough people criticizing Disney in this one random thread.

Maybe now’s a good time to get a petition going again.

Your insistence that it won’t happen won’t be enough to end speculation Im afraid.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I will support rewriting history.

What?

(joking)

Frink if you ever do that again!!—Nah just kidding you big lug! ;D

Another vote for the SE’s. Not for doing them, but using them to erase something that had and still has a worldwide cultural impact. I will never support rewriting history.

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

imperialscum said:

The way I see it, Disney should at least give a clear statement whether they plan to release OOT or not. At least Lucas was clear on this matter.

Except he wasn’t. He released it two years later, albeit in shitty quality.

Yes but he changed his mind again by the time the BDs were being done. There was an article that was published after the BDs came out about a fan at I believe a Q&A thing who politely asked Lucas why the original cuts hadn’t been included in the BD set. Keep in mind they had preceded the question by complimenting Mr. Lucas’ work and saying they were fans. According to the article Lucas rudely responded with ‘Grow up. They’re my movies’.

Until LF/Disney releases an official statement saying it won’t happen, let the speculation continue. The fact is studios always want excuses to sell their movies again so the OUT is gonna have to be in the cards at some point. I’m not saying it’ll be out this year but sooner or later selling the same SE’s won’t be enough of a selling point.

I can accept Star Wars as fantasy but this is my one curiosity. Where does the English language originate from in the SW universe??

Fang Zei said:

crissrudd4554 said:

If something does happen this year and it’s not a repackaging of the 2011 discs I think it’ll be a 4K restoration release of ANH only. Waiting til 2020 doesn’t really matter in that films case. However restored unaltered cuts of ESB, ROTJ and the PT sounds likely after 2020 since Lucasfilm/Disney will now have full ownership of them plus 2020 marks the 40th anniversary of ESB. Just theory of course.

1997 only being ANH’s 20th didn’t stop them from releasing Empire and Jedi also.

Yes, I realize the rights to ANH will never revert to Lucasfilm, but I’m pretty sure Fox can’t release something new without getting LFL’s approval first. Otherwise they would face the wrath of Disney’s lawyers.

I’ve heard it argued that Fox effectively owns ANH since they control the distribution rights forever, regardless of what we’ve heard about them “gifting” it back to George in the 90’s in exchange for distribution rights on the PT. I feel like we still don’t know the whole story behind that. Zombie’s article on the subject, written in 2008 well before the Disney deal, suggests Fox did indeed hand the copyright over to Lucasfilm in the late 90’s: http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/buyingstarwars.html

I know Fox would still need approval, I was just saying since they control the distribution rights for that film there’s no need to hold out til 2020 for Lucasfilm/Disney to get a 4K remaster of that film out on BD. The other films on the other hand I could possibly see them waiting it out til 2020 since Fox won’t be an obstacle. However as you pointed out there’s still likely elements to this whole ‘rights’ situation that hasn’t been explained so at the moment it’s all speculation.

If something does happen this year and it’s not a repackaging of the 2011 discs I think it’ll be a 4K restoration release of ANH only. Waiting til 2020 doesn’t really matter in that films case. However restored unaltered cuts of ESB, ROTJ and the PT sounds likely after 2020 since Lucasfilm/Disney will now have full ownership of them plus 2020 marks the 40th anniversary of ESB. Just theory of course.

Wazzles said:

crissrudd4554 said:

The '97 SEs were released on VHS and LD in 1997. As far as I know those same masters were used for the 2000 VHS release.

Fun fact I learned recently: the pink-shift from the 97 LD/VHS release was toned way back for the 2000 VHS/Japanese LD/Malaysian VCD release.

Ahh gotcha. The 2000 box set was the only US VHS set I never owned so I had to guess.

In the meantime, I created a DVD sleeve based off the outer box. Another option I figured I could do is getting a DVD case thats fits three discs and use this. The poster collage is a bit softer looking than I’d like it to be but its not too bad. I adjusted it best I could. It’ll likely look better in a cover. If anyone wants a full sized copy PM me.

I think different masters were used for video releases in other countries but anyways most US video releases, Pan and Scan VHS at least, from 1982-1992 used the same masters. Some had slight variations in audio but visually they were mostly the same. The 1993 LD box set featured the THX remastered prints which were further used for the 1995 VHS/LD releases and later would be known as the GOUT after its release to DVD in 2006. The '97 SEs were released on VHS and LD in 1997. As far as I know those same masters were used for the 2000 VHS release. The 2004 DVDs had new remasters and further changes. The 2011 BDs also had some additional changes and made some corrections to the '04 DVD masters but for the most part the '11 BDs use the same masters as the '04 DVDs.

Jeebus said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Yoda with a lightsaber is hilarious,

Is that a good thing? I don’t think it was supposed to be funny.

Never said it had to be a good thing but it’s enough to make me watch the movie again. 😉

I said the films have flaws but I also said almost every film has flaws. What do you want me to say?? Do I think they are bad in the sense that they are just poorly made and are straight up crap?? No. Do I think the storylines are too clunky and in many ways don’t make sense and think the CGI plays more a role than the actors?? Yes. Here’s my thing. I don’t think they’re bad. I say they’re flawed.

Unfortunately this is a case where many think the flaws play too much a role. I had mentioned before I find the PT slightly harder to follow than the OT so I don’t watch them as obssesively. But there’s still things I like. I loved the light saber duel in TPM, Yoda with a lightsaber is hilarious, Anakin becoming Vader, things that for me are enough to watch them again.

So Frink I don’t know what you want me to say. I also have to remind myself I’m arguing with the guy who didn’t understand at all why I had ROTS fourth on my SW list when it’s apparently so ‘objectively bad’. Maybe I don’t think it’s objectively bad. I’m suppose to think so because you do?? Films are flawed, some more than others but some are also not flawed enough to where I can’t watch them again. In essence I don’t think the PT is bad.

Frink quit being an ass. I’m entitled to my opinion. If you think I’m a clueless idiot for that so be it. I don’t have to say any things bad because YOU want me to.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Are the Prequels bad? No.

Anyone is allowed to like the prequels, doing so is just expressing one’s personal opinion. However, I firmly believe that anyone who doesn’t think they’re objectively poorly executed is either not paying attention or lying to themselves. That makes them bad.

Well it depends on one’s perception of bad. Is it Plan 9 from Outer Space/Jaws 4/RoboCop 3 bad i.e. they are just terrible all around?? No. Is it bad in the sense that there’s a lot over acting or perhaps in some cases underacting, overly clunky dialogue, unstable storylines, and way too much CGI?? Yes. Personally I find the PT harder to follow then the OT which is partly why I don’t watch them as obsessively as the OT. But then again every movie is flawed to a degree. I admit the PT has its weak spots but what I can do about it?? They exist so I accept it.

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