crissrudd4554

It might!

It’ll work. It’ll work.

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Ok. I told you it was gonna work. No problem.

It’s funny. There was people complaining on blu-ray.com how the BD editions of RoboCop do not include the theatrical cut yet many people wrote back saying they don’t need the theatrical and/or the director’s cut was meant to be the original cut. Then another user made some obnoxious post about how people just ‘whine and whine and whine’ and neglect that studios pay to make these releases and supply great bonus features. I cut in making the argument how if people were ok to have a Blade Runner set with 5 or 6 versions of that film, including a workprint, what’s wrong with two RoboCop’s?? Same with Star Wars although technically that’s really its own animal unfortunately.

Cobra Kai said:

I agree with Kathleen 100% on this one!

This^

I’m with Fang. I think the 2020 deal is the hold up. Just my opinion, I don’t really think George cares anymore. By the end of his run as head of LF, his opinion on restoring the OUT became more ‘I don’t wanna spend money on it’ as opposed to ‘I don’t wanna release it (ever)’. Now it’s not his money. Add to that the John Landis quote if you are still willing to take that with a grain of salt.

And finally the fact he released the GOUT. Yes they were released to stop the selling of bootlegs but just the same it pushed Lucas to agree to release the originals again in some form. Not to mention those 2006 DVD sets were supposed to be ‘limited editions’ yet they were repackaged again in a box set in 2008 which remained on the regular video market until the BDs. If Lucas was really adament about not having the originals available again he would have stuck with the ‘limited edition’ notion of the '06 DVDs or for that matter not released the GOUT at all.

There’s a lot that can be taken with what Kathleen Kennedy said but as Fang said I don’t think it fully ruled out a future release with both cuts. My interpretation of what she said was there will be no further changes because as she said 'those will always be (George)‘s’ i.e. she won’t tamper with someone else’s film(s). This almost goes back to the issue Lucas himself protested in the 1980s about movies being colorized. I don’t think it fully rules out a potential release with both versions especially when 5 of the 6 films that Fox still has rights to fully go to LF/Disney in 2020.

Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction.

This baby’s got a few surprises left in her, sweetheart.

I’m going in closer to one of the big ones.

Get on top of it!

I’m trying!

Who’s scruffy looking??

Fang Zei said:

nickyd47 said:

People are willing to drop hundreds of dollars on bootlegs and those s#### DVDs from 2006. Those DVDs that Lucas himself felt compelled to release. Millions of people have downloaded the Despecialized Edition. Popular American icons have publicly let their distaste of the SE known. Disney may not care for those versions of those films, but they care about money. You will never convince me that only a fringe want the OOT. The demand is there.

Agreed.

It would be more accurate to say many people would prefer the original versions but they simply haven’t been released and most (but not all!) of those people saw that there’s a blu-ray, said “close enough,” and worried about the more important things in life.

This^

I want a restored official OUT release as much as the next guy but yeah the slavery comparison wasn’t necessary.

Was posting about this on FanRes so figured I’d post here as well. Sorry in advance if this is long. Any chance anyone here has used any Elgato products, EyeTV Hybrid to be specific?? The reason I ask is because about 8 or 9 years ago I for about 3 years had a friend copy some of my Universal Monster tapes to DVD. His capture method was EyeTV Hybrid. About 6 years ago I started trying out EyeTV myself. The tuner I have/had was the one pictured below and according to my friend it was the same tuner he had.

However whenever I use this tuner to capture VHS’, regardless of the VCR being used, I do not get the same results as him. I’ve even talked about this with him and even he’s puzzled. I asked him at one point maybe 3 or 4 years ago if I could perhaps try his tuner instead but he informed me it broke. At some point I even purchased the same tuner again on the possible chance perhaps my tuner was broken. No dice. Got the same results. Anyways let me show you what I mean.

This first grab comes from a DVD he burnt.

Here’s from a video I had captured using EyeTV Hybrid (this was the same exact tape my friend captured).

As you can see very fuzzy and grainy. The sound is fine, the video not so much. Why is this? The actual quality that the videos my friend captured, aside from being a bit pixilated, I was very pleased with and have been trying eagerly to replicate but have not. I even tried a few other EyeTVs (Hybrids, 250, HD) and even tried Elgato Video Capture and all gave me varying results but not exactly to the look and quality my friend had. One other EyeTV I tried was this one. This was a 2009 tuner I believe.

Here’s a grab from a DVD I burned using a video recorded with that tuner.

This is basically the same look the 2008 Dazzle (DVC100) I’ve been using lately has been giving me when I try to do my Universal Monster tapes. It has this very washed out and bright look which for me doesn’t look very good. However, quality wise the '09 EyeTV Hybrid is much poorer compared to both DVC100 and the EyeTV my friend captured with. I captured my '92 SW Trilogy recently with DVC100 and they aren’t that low in quality nor have the washed out look. Not perfect perhaps but definitely better than the '09 EyeTV. Also the image above does not have the same geometry as my friends capture (note that his has more image on the sides).

Just to back up a bit the first video capturing software I had tested was Honestech VHS to DVD 3.0. The main bugger about this was the ‘overlap’ the exported video gave me (why I had started this thread on FanRes https://forum.fanres.com/thread-724.html) and the Universal tapes had the bright washed out look. Elgato Video Capture, which I tried at one point but ultimately sold, gave me the same effect.

My DVD (Honestech capture).

Friends DVD (EyeTV capture).

Note in the last pic there’s a bit more detail in the forehead compared to the Honestech capture due to the lack of brightness??

Anyways I mentioned I tested a few other EyeTVs. One of them was this one.

Here’s a grab from a capture from that tuner.

Pretty close. This actually looks a bit more detailed compared to my friends capture. However the signals slightly off evident by the noticable ‘curves’ of some of the edges (compare the letters in ‘Frankenstein’ in this grab to the grab from my friends capture).

Anyways I ultimately decided to keep toying with this and really only use EyeTV to capture TV programs from my cable box as the issues it was giving me with VHS’ it wasn’t giving me there. Unfortunately most of my EyeTV Hybrids are now faulty to some degree though my original one, the one giving me the fuzzy video, still works fine at the moment.

I mentioned the other month ago about my methods for capturing VHS’. The Dazzle DV100 hooked into the 2016 version of Pinnacle Studios on my HP laptop will work mine for other things while I planned to capture my Universal tapes with Dazzle v1.0 for the video and my Honestech VIDBOX for audio (some of which I did). Well I’m now having problems with Dazzle v1.0. First I noticed that videos in color captured will have a subtle but noticeable color ‘flicker’ on the upper screen evident by these pics. They’re exactly a frame apart.

Notice the purple ‘glow’ towards the top of the video in the second image?? That’s the ‘flicker’ I’m speaking of. Yes you can maybe see a bit of it in the image above it too but its still noticeably less than the second. Another tape I did that had color footage had the same effect. This flicker is fortunately not visible if the footage is B&W but at the same time most of the video capture devices I’ve tested did not have this effect.

Another problem I’m having with this Dazzle which I just noticed the other night is the video plugin isn’t working on it. I guess either the driver needs updating or the device is getting faulty although I’ve only had it for a few months. The Device Status in the devices properties window reads: Windows cannot start this hardware device because its configuration information (in the registry) is incomplete or damaged. (Code 19). So I have to tinker with that. I may revert back to the Roxio capture device I was using a few months back should nothing work out since it had essentially the same look and quality as v1.0 including the color flicker.

However, I really wanna capture my tapes looking like how they came out when my friend was using EyeTV and for whatever reason I cannot. Just last week I tested WinTV through Cyberlink PowerDirector to see what that gave me. It’s this device.

Note that the device looks much like the EyeTV tuner featured in my first image. And if that weren’t enough it captured at the same fuzzy quality as EyeTV!

So I’m not having any luck with this. Anyone skilled with EyeTV that can tell me why I’m getting that cruddy looking video?? I don’t think its a VCR problem either. I’ve tried the same EyeTV tuner on a 1999 General Electric VCR, a 2003 Panasonic VCR (same model as my friends VCR), and a 2004 Sony VCR. All have the fuzzy effect.

Is there perhaps a different capture device anyone here recommends?? I basically have the programs I need to actually do the capturing so stuff like VirtualDub isn’t gonna help me here I’m afraid. I’m not exactly rich either so I dont exactly wanna spend hundreds of dollars on one of those fancy capture cards which considering my luck probably wont work with my computer though to my credit I don’t know much about them (I’m using an HP laptop circa 2009 with Windows 7 32 bit as well as a circa 2007 Macbook if it means anything). Also keep in my mind all the different devices I’ve used I’ve tested over a span of about 6 years now. Anyways I think I’ve rambled enough. I do hope someone can assist me with this.

Williarob said:

I was just thinking that it was probably also a deliberate choice to include the letterboxed GOUT with the full screen editions of the 2004 trilogy: If you were buying the full screen set it was probably because you didn’t like the black bars and/or still had a smaller tube TV on which to watch it, in which case the letterboxed GOUT Disc could only look even worse when compared to the clean, ultra sharp, pan and scanned '04 version… Another “See how much better the new SE version is” tactic.

Interestingly though when the original 2 disc E.T. DVD came out it had both the 2002 and 1982 cuts. However, like the 2006 SW DVDs, only the 2002 cut was Pan and Scan if you had the Full Screen edition. Fortunately the 1982 cut was anamorphic though! 😉

ray_afraid said:

SwissArmyTin said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

And I wouldn’t say they’re giving us the finger so much as ignoring us (there is a difference).

Well the latter is much worse. I would prefer they stated their intentions, whatever they may be.

I’d rather be perpetually blue balled than potentially have my balls cut off outright.

I don’t think that comparison really works…
I’d much rather they just say “We have no plans or interest in an OOT restoration.” so that we can move on to other options.
I just want to hear a straight, honest answer from LFL/Disney. Are they interested? Got something in the works? No interest? No plans? I just want to know where this issue currently sits.

This^

The sad thing is if they are waiting til 2020 then they missed an opportunity to at least release the original ANH for the 40th anniversary. Waiting til 2020 isn’t gonna make a difference with that film.

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

That’s another thing I wanted to add. Fact is studios are ALWAYS looking for opportunities to resell their movies. They’re gonna milk as much out of their releases as much as they can til the end of time.

The Graudate was released on DVD/BD just a year or two ago by The Criterion Collection yet a brand new 4K restored print is being screened this year. So there you go. Studios wanna make as much off their movies at every chance they can take.

So the idea that some rerelease of the SW films, home media or theatrical, SE or OUT, will not happen is nonsense. Especially in Disney’s case. They’re not gonna wanna milk in that dough off those highly successful films after 2020? Absurd.

So I have no doubt, especially with home media continuing to evolve, that some new rerelease of the restored SW films will be inevitable. Whether it will have the OUT is another story.

If they really wanna be smart they should include both versions. Either camp is gonna be angered that one is included and not the other so you lose sales right there. Having both at least guarantees a certain percentage of both camps will take a bite. Many SE fans are angered by the coloring of the current sets so having the same SE restored will interest them while the OUT people will finally have their wish.

It’s a very complicated situation. The frustration that I feel the most towards it is Disney/Lucasfilm not fully addressing the issue at all. Not a ‘it’s being looked into’, ‘no there are no plans’, nothing. At least when George was in charge he was upfront about it, one of the few things I can given credit for in this situation.

As far as the minority/majority argument goes well I look at like this. Let’s say 85% of Star Wars fans have the BD versions. Let’s look at that remaining 15%. Who are these people? We’ll say 80% of that 15% will only bite if the OUT is included while the rest maybe don’t have BD players and can’t own them or simply don’t want to i.e. they’re happy with the DVD versions or whatever version they have.

Now that original 85%. They have the BDs. We’ll say maybe 80% of that percentage are the casual fans or diehards who will buy anything and either don’t know about the changes, don’t care, or simply prefer the SEs. Then the other 20%. These are people who would like the OUT but realize they don’t have a choice.

Now let’s say 15% of that 80% I mentioned are willing to perhaps upgrade their sets if the OUT is released. Keep in mind people change their minds a lot and not to mention it’s easy for a lot of them to say ‘no I’m sticking with the set I have’, ‘I don’t care’, etc. when the chances of the OUT being released is pretty slim. Take the 15% and combine it with that 20% I mentioned as well as the 80% of the 15% who don’t own the current sets you’re still looking at a fairly decent number of people.

Density said:

Possessed said:

Nobody is disputing that 04 onwards is worse than the 97

Pretty sure anyone who thinks that the 97 is somehow totally different from the later SEs and has more in common with the originals is just as blinded by nostalgia for those editions as they claim we are for the OUT.

I think part of it is because of all the SEs it has the fewest changes and the coloring is somewhat closer to the original.

The chain will keep us together. 😉

nickyd47 said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I’m 100% certain we are overthinking the Fox-Disney thing. It’s not novel for a movie to be owned by one studio and distributed by another.

Right. Look at the Halloween franchise for example. Tons of studios came together to put out a complete series box set.

Exactly. You can also get all the Chucky movies in one set despite one film being owned by another company.

But everyone’s gonna go their own way!

Alderaan said:

crissrudd4554 said:
The thread title clearly says ‘Celebration 2017 SPECULATION’. You’re asking people about a breakoff point to something they are actually speculating in regards to the event. How is that going off topic???

There is no break off point. GET OVER IT!

So next week, you are still going to be speculating whether or not there will be an OOT announcement at Celebration 2017? Interesting.

Read my revised post.

nickyd47 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Alderaan said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Alderaan said:

What time does the OOT nonsense speculation finally end? Is there a cut-off?

Okay, you say the speculation of an OOT announcement is “nonsense”, then ask if it will stop. What am I supposed to take out of this other than you being tired and irritated with the speculation of a release announcement in an event’s speculation thread?

I clarified in the subsequent post in case it wasn’t clear. Is there a make or break moment during this carnival that everyone who is anticipating the OOT is waiting for? At what point during the celebration do people stop and think, damnit, they aren’t releasing the OOT?

The thread title clearly says ‘Celebration 2017 SPECULATION’. You’re asking people about a breakoff point to something they are actually speculating in regards to the event. How is that going off topic???

There is no break off point. GET OVER IT!

Ignore the peaceful planet

What peaceful planet? 😉

Alderaan said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Alderaan said:

What time does the OOT nonsense speculation finally end? Is there a cut-off?

Okay, you say the speculation of an OOT announcement is “nonsense”, then ask if it will stop. What am I supposed to take out of this other than you being tired and irritated with the speculation of a release announcement in an event’s speculation thread?

I clarified in the subsequent post in case it wasn’t clear. Is there a make or break moment during this carnival that everyone who is anticipating the OOT is waiting for? At what point during the celebration do people stop and think, damnit, they aren’t releasing the OOT?

The thread title clearly says ‘Celebration 2017 SPECULATION’. You’re asking people about a breakoff point to something they are actually speculating in regards to the event. How is that going off topic???

But to answer to your question when at the event is the breakoff point of the OOT speculation. Simple. Either the moment the topic is possibly addressed at the event or the second the event ends and people realize that not once was the topic addressed. As far as speculation on this site. That ain’t gonna end whether you you like it or not!

nickyd47 said:

If you hate speculation over an OOT release then please leave this thread

Seconded