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Fang Zei said:

baron_lando said:

Some kind of multi-version package is our best bet because it kills many birds with one stone. There is a ton of precedent that we can point to and say “hey these movies can have it and they aren’t as popular, why not SW?” (Blade Runner, Close Encounters, Exorcist etc.), it doesn’t fly in the face of the filmmakers’ wish by excluding their preferred versions, and it allows them to charge more which they love.
I think using BLADE RUNNER in particular as our gold standard is wise because the theatrical version in that set was easily achieved (and would be even easier for Star Wars now, scanning and cleaning scratches and dirt is cheaper and easier than it was in 2007). And everybody in home video knows Blade Runner, knows it has a cult following, but is less of a big deal than Star Wars. It’s a great shorthand to just say “hey do Blade Runner thing.”

All the more reason for them to include the '97 cuts. They could charge even more money for it.

Yes but the more expensive it is the less likely people will buy it.

TV’s Frink said:

I personally don’t care if it’s an ultimate box set or a stand-alone or it comes attached to the back of an emu. I just want it.

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All systems are operational. What course shall we set?

The insignia change was done in '04. I don’t particularly see them doing a lot of branching options should they do a release. A release with the 2011 version on disc one and the theatrical on disc two would be fine enough for me though the 1997 version would be nice too but I don’t see it. There was only a few changes made in 2011 that honestly I just find it easier to say it’s the same as 2004 so including a branching option of the 2004 and 2011 versions I don’t think is necessary but that’s just me. I just wanna see the original restored regardless of which SE cut it’s put with.

JawsTDS said:

crissrudd4554 said:

It’s been pointed out on numerous occasions that it appears that the general public does not care one way or another about the changes. This may be true but I honestly don’t understand how this affects the chances of a future OUT release.

If they don’t care about the changes, then what’s the point of even reverting them? That costs money.

An OUT restoration is gonna sell better than a mere restored version of the same print of the SEs. It’s already a general consensus that people are fine with the BDs as is. If Disney/Lucasfilm intends to keep the market open to those films they’re gonna have to do more than simply restore the same SE.

Here’s something a lot don’t factor out. It’s been pointed out on numerous occasions that it appears that the general public does not care one way or another about the changes. This may be true but I honestly don’t understand how this affects the chances of a future OUT release. If they don’t care they were changed why would they care if they the originals are eventually restored?? They’ll react to it the same way they reacted to the SEs on BD. To them it’s Star Wars. Plus the generations are growing. Just because many fans own SW now doesn’t mean there won’t be a market to another generation in the future. Also I can’t see them selling the same 2K BD versions til the end of time, OUT or not.

That would be catchy but it might downplay the Special Editions too much. We don’t want the message to come off as anti-Special Edition.

I definitely agree it should be less ‘the versions we grew up’ and more ‘the versions that started it all’. And as everyone else has said not confining the issue to just those who saw them in the original theatrical run. There are indeed fans who wish to see the OUT restored that were introduced via television and home video and were not part of that first generation.

TK-949 said:

crissrudd4554 said:

SilverWook said:

I think you can argue THX had a cult film status. At least two music videos have been inspired by it. Queen did one in the 80’s and a Hip Hop duo did their own homage in the 90’s.

Here’s the Queen video. Funny enough even though I was aware of George Lucas even at a young age, I think I saw this video before I was even familiar with THX-1138.

https://youtu.be/2TnjmIMyG1M

I didn’t even know the song.

I don’t think a lot of people do. 😉

SilverWook said:

I think you can argue THX had a cult film status. At least two music videos have been inspired by it. Queen did one in the 80’s and a Hip Hop duo did their own homage in the 90’s.

Here’s the Queen video. Funny enough even though I was aware of George Lucas even at a young age, I think I saw this video before I was even familiar with THX-1138.

https://youtu.be/2TnjmIMyG1M

My introduction to SW was the Faces set so I agree that the drive of the letter should not be nostalgia of just those who had been there since the theatrical releases. The importance of the OUT expands beyond that.

Here’s my spin. 😉

*Dear Disney and Lucasfilm,
Today is the 40th anniversary of Star Wars, the film that started it all. Yet, where is that film? No, not the special edition, the original 1977 film. The one we grew up with. The film that changed our lives forever.

Saying this isn’t hyperbole. Those of us who were there that incredible summer of '77 had never seen anything like it. It was a major event in our lives. It prompted a desire in some of us to make movies or tell stories of our own. No matter the path we chose, George Lucas lit a spark that remains within us today.

Many of us still share the memories of where and with whom we saw Star Wars and the lasting effect it had on us. We saw the movie over and over again, whether it was in the theater or on video, probably more than any movie before or since. We know the lines by heart; we love the characters. Seeing our heroes again on the screen in The Force Awakens was like reuniting with family.

All these years later, we would love to revisit that Original Trilogy, to recapture those memories of a long time ago, in a movie theater far far away. Those of us with families want to be able to show our kids and relive with them exactly what we saw at their age.

We’re limited in our choices to outdated video formats that are becoming difficult to obtain and inch closer to extinction each year. This includes the out of print bonus DVDs from 2006, which utilize ancient video transfers from 1993, so they are barely acceptable. None of us ever imagined that these historic versions would someday be at risk from fading to memory and, ultimately, disappearing from the collective consciousness altogether.

We don’t bemoan the Special Edition’s existence and respect Mr. Lucas’ decision in having those be the finalized cuts. It simply isn’t the version of the trilogy that many fell in love with. The Original Original Trilogy deserves to be seen in the absolute best quality afforded by modern cinema and 21st-century home video formats for not only nostalgic but historical purposes as well.

There is room for both versions of Star Wars, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of The Jedi to coexist. As devoted fans we want to give you our money for these pieces of cinematic history; we really do! Please give us that opportunity or at least hope that we will be able to do so soon. That is all we ask.

Sincerely yours,
The Staff and Members of Originaltrilogy.com*

I might add something like this to that second to last paragraph.

‘We respect Mr. Lucas’ decision to present these films as he intends and do not ask for the current versions to be removed but restoring the theatrical cuts that changed cinema forever would be a delight both to fans and cinema history itself.’

You guys could probably word that better but you get my point. I might also throw in something that there’s also generations who may not have seen the originals theatrically but grew up with those versions on home video and as such has just an importance to them as to those who had seen them theatrically.

Those aside I like where the letters going. Yeah maybe reword the ‘wink wink’ at the fan edits but for the most part good work. Can’t wait for your next draft!

Unfortunately I was born after the first trilogy was made but the theater where I saw the SE of ANH is still around. Frank’s Theater in EHT, NJ.

At this stage I’m more frustrated by the fact that Disney/Lucasfilm haven’t properly addressed the issue than the fact we have yet to get an official restored OUT. It’s been five years and still no yes or no. Not even a ‘we cannot elaborate on that at this time’. However the lack of response on the matter is truly the only reason I continue in the speculation. If there was indeed no interest on their part to do it I think by this point they would have made a statement. I’m not saying that means we will get it someday but I see that as the only opening for the speculation to resume. I mean Geez even when the GOUT was announced LF admitted beforehand it would be from non-anamorphic LD masters and that there were no plans to do proper restorations. So if we are gonna go with the open letter route we should at least ask for some type of response as far as what their plans are on the matter even if it’s not in detail. A subtle ‘we are not permitted at this time to elaborate on the subject’, while not exactly addressing the problem, would be something compared to the endless silence they keep giving us.

Looks like marshmallows in the bottom right corner.

Looks more like a fish stick.

Here’s where the fun begins.

LexX said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Keep your distance but don’t look like you’re trying to keep your distance.

You missed Chewie in that line, doesn’t work!

What if the other persons name isn’t Chewie?? 😛

Keep your distance but don’t look like you’re trying to keep your distance.

She’s fast enough for you old man.

nickyd47 said:

I refer to the film by both its titles interchangeably. One day I’ll call it Star Wars and then A New Hope the next. Doesn’t really matter to me

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Ahh my bad

TylerDurden389 said:

Listen closely @0:48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYXZyPg04a8&t=87s

Notice that loud sound when the door hits the glass?

Now listen here at the same time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxgkkJOEHS4&t=70s

No loud clang. A more typical sound a door makes when it hits something.

The uploader of the first video has a few Terminator videos where he claims to use the mono when its clearly the remix so I wouldnt reference his videos. The second video oddly begins with the surround mix but cuts to the mono when it cuts back to the clerk at the desk fter Arnold initially steps out. The video Dek posted after you however has the correct mono.

To be fair none of the video releases since 2000 have the Special Edition label. Lucas was definitely trying to create the mindset that these were now the definitive versions, subsequent revisions aside.