crissrudd4554

Perhaps you think you are being treated unfairly??

ray_afraid said:

Random thought on this subject:
I deal with and converse with many many people all day everyday. All ages, all types. Finding out that the person I’m talking with is a Star Wars fan is rarely a surprise and it comes up in conversations fairly often.
However, I NEVER come across anybody who knows what I’m talking about when I bring up the OUT/SE issue. And even after explaining my stance most don’t seem to care AT ALL. At most they find it interesting that I’m so passionate about this subject. Usually they just find my stance on it “eccentric” like the rest of my interests.

I really don’t think there’s much public interest in a restored OT. Harmy’s editions have rallied the faithful, but I think it’s easy to forget how outnumbered we are. Even people who grew up with the originals (and even people who were adults in 1977) are all too willing to believe that the latest thing offered is the best and renders the other versions “outdated”.
Your average person isn’t interested in “cultural history” or “good movies”.

Having said all that, I think fan-made restorations are the only way we will ever get the OUT and I’m just so damned happy that people with the time and skills are creating versions I can watch and love.

I guess it depends what crowd you’re in. A lot of people I talk to know of the changes at least to some degree. For instance most people if I ask ‘who shot first?’ most will say Han. Me and my stepdad make fun of Vader’s ‘Nooooo’ all the time while at the same time he loves that McDiarmid was added to Empire. So I guess it really depends on what crowd you’re in. Just because some areas are populated with people who don’t care doesn’t mean it’s the same everywhere.

TV’s Frink said:

^I agree completely.

+1

DrDre said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Ok here’s how it goes. From the concensus I’ve seen it appears that a good majority of the Star Wars fans who own the current BD sets are fine with them as is. So a simple 4K restoration of the same SE is likely not gonna be enough of a good selling point to sell the same version again. So what do they do?? Restore the original cuts to be included WITH the 4K restored SE.

Seriously guys. Quit being morons. Theoretically speaking what sounds like it’ll profit more even if by a fraction?? A 4K release with only the SE or a 4K release with both cuts?? One cut caters to only a specific market while more than one cut caters to multiple markets.

Case and point. How many people do you actually suspect petitioned to have all those cuts of Blade Runner released together?? Compared to Star Wars probably little to nothing. Did it stop Ridley Scott from remastering those cuts and releasing them together?? Nope. Another example is how a few years ago Kino released a cut of the silent film Metropolis with restored footage not seen since the original release. Compared to Star Wars who do you think really gave a crap about that?? Nonetheless did it prevent them from restoring and releasing it?? Don’t think so.

I’m honestly puzzled why some of you even ask why Disney would spend the money to restore the originals while at the same time neglecting to realize that a restored OUT is likely gonna be packaged as an extra to the SE anyways. However as long as the originals are presented in proper quality I’m sure the majority of us would be fine with it.

Until Lucasfilm/Disney gives a direct response on the matter the speculation resumes as far as where I stand. And no the Kathleen Kennedy interview does not count.

Are YOU serious? Most Star Wars fans have bought pretty every release of Star Wars since the first home video version was released in the early 1980s. All they needed to do, was claim it’s been remastered, or add a few extras. So, given that reality, what makes you believe this trend will suddenly stop with a 4K release? If they release a 4K version with a few new extras, the damn thing will sell like crazy, like all Star Wars releases have, with or without the OOT.

I didn’t say it would stop. My point was having both cuts would increase the profitability of the next release even if it’s by a slight margin. Again one caters to one market, the other more than one.

Anyone here who just wants to run the same old blah blah ‘they’re not gonna spend the money’ as if to shut down all hopes of it ever happening when they have no more knowledge of the subject than those continuing to speculate must really not want the OUT in the end.

And no I don’t wanna hear that ‘well I used to work in marketing and’ blah blah. Did you work for Lucasfilm’s or Disney’s marketing?? No?? Didn’t think so.

Ok here’s how it goes. From the concensus I’ve seen it appears that a good majority of the Star Wars fans who own the current BD sets are fine with them as is. So a simple 4K restoration of the same SE is likely not gonna be enough of a good selling point to sell the same version again. So what do they do?? Restore the original cuts to be included WITH the 4K restored SE.

Seriously guys. Quit being morons. Theoretically speaking what sounds like it’ll profit more even if by a fraction?? A 4K release with only the SE or a 4K release with both cuts?? One cut caters to only a specific market while more than one cut caters to multiple markets.

Case and point. How many people do you actually suspect petitioned to have all those cuts of Blade Runner released together?? Compared to Star Wars probably little to nothing. Did it stop Ridley Scott from remastering those cuts and releasing them together?? Nope. Another example is how a few years ago Kino released a cut of the silent film Metropolis with restored footage not seen since the original release. Compared to Star Wars who do you think really gave a crap about that?? Nonetheless did it prevent them from restoring and releasing it?? Don’t think so.

I’m honestly puzzled why some of you even ask why Disney would spend the money to restore the originals while at the same time neglecting to realize that a restored OUT is likely gonna be packaged as an extra to the SE anyways. However as long as the originals are presented in proper quality I’m sure the majority of us would be fine with it.

Until Lucasfilm/Disney gives a direct response on the matter the speculation resumes as far as where I stand. And no the Kathleen Kennedy interview does not count.

I’ve been making custom discs lately so a custom made box would be nice. Count me in as interested. Will he accept individual requests or will he just be creating sets based on the same design(s)???

The Faces tape actually did say Star Wars A New Hope on the sides and top flap of the cover and the cassette label.

I think 1997 was probably a typo in his initial post. He’ll have to verify that though.

TV’s Frink said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Maybe someday when something you worked hard on and received a lot of recognition for is just suddenly replaced by something else you’ll understand.

Based on his post history, I doubt it.

One can hope right??..Nah who am I kidding.

Maybe someday when something you worked hard on and received a lot of recognition for is just suddenly replaced by something else you’ll understand. I doubt much of that event was spent crapping on Lucas but nonetheless it is a bit bittersweet for them to all be gathered together for one event to celebrate SW40 when much of the work they did isn’t even in the film anymore.

Yep have only heard ‘No blasters’.

My dad was at an estate sale about 5 years and found the a used Faces for 25 cents. He got it for the hell of it since he remembered that was the same edition as my first set. It was actually in pretty good shape considering.

My first Trilogy set was the Faces set.

rodneyfaile said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Star Wars
(1977-1997)

The Empire Strikes Back
(1980-1997)

Return of the Jedi
(1983-1997)

RIP

No, there is another. To Harmy you must go.

Been there.

Star Wars
(1977-1997)

The Empire Strikes Back
(1980-1997)

Return of the Jedi
(1983-1997)

RIP

poita said:

I know people have already posted this, but it was confirmed in a digital bits interview a few months ago: (https://tr.im/1c09C)
"We’ve essentially confirmed that Disney’s current 4K scan of the film is the most recent revised version (essentially the latest “special edition”), not the original theatrical edition. What’s more, Disney’s director of Library Restoration and Preservation, Theo Gluck, held a special event at Ohio State University’s Wexner Center for the Arts last night, a presentation called Animation Restoration at Walt Disney Studios. Gluck was asked there about Star Wars and reported that the original cut negative for the film currently exists in its “SE” configuration only."
When asked if there were any plans for an OT restoration, the answer was no:
"Disney’s director of Library Restoration and Preservation Theo Gluck, and 20th Century Fox’s Senior VP of Library and Tech Services Shawn Belston have confirmed to the outlet that no such work on a reconstruction has begun."
https://tr.im/1c09C

More recently, about 16 minutes into this interview, Kathleen Kennedy seems to rule it out:
https://omny.fm/shows/steele-wars/ep-131-3-star-wars-celebration-orlando-day-2-the-l

So, it looks like the will just isn’t there.

Most of this has been discussed already. Saying ‘no such work on a reconstruction has begun’ does not confirm there are zero plans for a potential restoration in the future. Also the Kennedy interview has also been brought up. She said she wouldn’t ‘touch those’ which in the context of the question she essentially confirmed there will be no more alterations made to the films. This also does not rule a potential release including both cuts!

Jedit: Cobra Kai basically beat me to this.

SilverWook said:

I wonder if Disney knows about this.
https://twitter.com/PeleRojo711/status/860922217164570625
And I thought ebay was a wretched hive of scum and villainy!

I was at a Con in Atlantic City last year and a booth there also had it!

Prowse announced a year or so ago he was retiring from public appearances I believe due to health reasons.

Fang Zei said:

Goatboy said:

Fang Zei said:

Goatboy said:

towne32 said:

Right. We are not giving them directions or writing a contract. We are hoping to raise awareness and increase discussion, and despite low chances of success, hoping that we might get some kind of information. A comment that is less worthless/ambiguous than the recent Kennedy interview.

If, someday, they release a 2k OOT (first of all, I would still be thrilled), it won’t be because, "hah! You ****ers should’ve specified 4K! Gotcha!"
I know people still feel burned about GOUT, but that didn’t happen due to a misunderstanding.

I don’t think Lucasfilm will release the theatrical releases on Blue-ray, at least as long as Kennedy is president. Because of her relationship to George Lucas and him appointing her president, she doesn’t want to touch what she sees as “his movies”.

And if it does ever happen, it wont be until 2020, when Disney gets the distribution rights to Episodes 5 & 6.

Getting Star Wars fans talking about it can’t hurt though.

She wouldn’t be doing anything to his movies, though. She would simply be including the original versions alongside his versions. EDIT: crissrudd beat me to it.

Welcome to the forums, btw!

Thanks for the welcome 😃

Lucas has said that, to him, the original releases don’t exist anymore, the current versions are THE movies and he talked how he wants that to be the only version that people see and how eventually all the VHS tapes of the old version will burn out and be thrown away. He underestimates the power of the internet and passionate fans.

So it seems to me like Lucas doesn’t want people watching the theatrical releases, and Kennedy is going to honor his wish.

But Kennedy is 63 years old, and will retire or change jobs within the next decade or two, so the new blood that steps in could have a different stance.

In 2005 he said there would never be an Episode VII!

Im paraphrasing here but I think it was 2008 where he said something to the effect ‘No there won’t be more Star Wars movies, neither by me or anyone else.’ Fast forward to 2012 when he sells Disney ‘Its true I won’t make more but I never said I’m not willing to let someone else do it’.

The fact that Lucas allowed what were originally intended as ‘Limited Editions’ that were supposed to be off the market by the end of 2006 to be repackaged again in 2008 IMO is another example that shows that he only is/was refusing to restore the originals, not release them.

Restoring the originals technically would not be ‘touching’ George’s films as Kennedy seemed to imply because a restored OUT is likely gonna packaged with the SEs anyways.

I’d use ‘release’ and ‘restore’. If we use just ‘release’ they may pull what they did with the GOUT again. If we say just ‘restore’ they may just do what Mike Verta is doing but in their case they have the say if it gets released which in the end they may not. Then again I’d think if they’re willing to spend money to restore it they’d release it yes??

Listing the changes is not necessary. Theyre well aware of the changes and know it’s what drives our desire to see the originals restored. Listing the changes might come off as degrading the SEs which is not the purpose of the message. For once I agree with Alderaan. Mentioning the SEs as less as we can, aside from maybe mentioning that we can respect that they are the canon versions and are how Mr. Lucas intends them to be, is probably a smart option. We just want the originals restored and released regardless of what release method they should choose to do so.

drfsupercenter said:

crissrudd4554 said:

doubleofive said:

Those are both illegitimate. IIRC, the “Limited Edition” was never sold in a set, and not in skinny packs.

Yes they were, in 2008. I saw them in fye and Best Buy countless times before they were pulled before the BD release. There was a prequel set and an original set, the latter containing repackaged versions of the 2006 DVD sets. That aside the 2006 sets was also available in a tin case at Best Buy when they first came out (I know cause I have it).

Ah, interesting. So that outer box WAS official?

Yep 😃 On a few occasions I was even attempted to get those sets, at least the one for the original trilogy, but passed because there wasn’t anything new I was technically getting

doubleofive said:

Those are both illegitimate. IIRC, the “Limited Edition” was never sold in a set, and not in skinny packs.

Yes they were, in 2008. I saw them in fye and Best Buy countless times before they were pulled before the BD release. There was a prequel set and an original set, the latter containing repackaged versions of the 2006 DVD sets. That aside the 2006 sets was also available in a tin case at Best Buy when they first came out (I know cause I have it).