crissrudd4554

Exactly what about the sounds so you wanna know??

Anakin Starkiller said:

theMaestro said:

Regarding the argument that the “Shaw ghost never existed”, well…the Hayden ghost never existed in that specific form either. He clearly has both arms intact when one should be missing (and yes, both hands are visible in the wide shot). So if the Hayden ghost is okay from that standpoint, then so is the Shaw ghost. Therefore, the “Shaw ghost never existed” argument is no longer valid.

I’m not saying the Hayden ghost is perfect. It’s just the less wrong option.

Depends on your view of the story.

Anakin Starkiller said:

ray_afraid said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

ray_afraid said:

Best argument for Shaw being there is that WE JUST SAW HIM DIE.

The Shaw we saw die and the one who appears as a ghost look very different.

Once again, if you think his ghost should have been scarred, then Obi-Wan’s ghost should be missing his lower half.
It’s clearly the same man.

The difference is that Obi-Wan wasn’t cut down until he died. Shaw’s ghost is appearing as someone who never existed.

If the other characters are able to recognize him in spite of his form which they clearly do does it matter if it’s a form he was never in while living??? I don’t think so.

JEDIT: I don’t think most viewers have or had difficulty distiguishing who the third spirit was either so I really don’t get what form his spirit takes form compared to the forms he was while alive really has to do with anything. Not trolling, just being honest.

I just say…actually nope. I gave my reason here.

crissrudd4554 said:

Having Hayden appear IMO makes Anakins redemption less meaningful and deceptive. It almost pushes the idea that had he survived we are to think he will just return to the whiny young Jedi he was years ago which I think most of us will agree wouldnt be the case. IMO the redemption is more about a man turning his back on evil for good than simply reverting to who he had been many years before. The spirit Luke sees is the redeemed man who saved his life, not the whiny arrogant Jedi who would ultimately turn his back on good.

ZodaEX said:

crissrudd4554 said:

ZodaEX said:

yotsuya said:

ZodaEX said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Released on laser and VHS only. Harmy has a 720p recreation, I think.

That is not true because they were also released on VCD.

VCD’s are SD only. As far as I know, G’kar and TB (and Revivax for ANH) are only in widescreen SD… 480p, and even then not full DVD quality. Upscaling them doesn’t do much. I’ve tried. You can coax a little more out of them, but not 720p (though presenting in at that resolution does produce the best results, it still isn’t DVD quality).

What does that have to do with my claim that the 97 Special Edition was released on Blu-Ray? Your response has nothing to do with what I said.

You claimed they were on VCD.

Yes I did, and they were released on VCD. I’m correct.

Possessed basically beat me to this but the reason I had quoted you was you asked what the one dudes response had to do with you saying the ‘97 SEs were on BD. That you did and they were not released on BD. I’m correct.

ZodaEX said:

yotsuya said:

ZodaEX said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Released on laser and VHS only. Harmy has a 720p recreation, I think.

That is not true because they were also released on VCD.

VCD’s are SD only. As far as I know, G’kar and TB (and Revivax for ANH) are only in widescreen SD… 480p, and even then not full DVD quality. Upscaling them doesn’t do much. I’ve tried. You can coax a little more out of them, but not 720p (though presenting in at that resolution does produce the best results, it still isn’t DVD quality).

What does that have to do with my claim that the 97 Special Edition was released on Blu-Ray? Your response has nothing to do with what I said.

You claimed they were on VCD.

ray_afraid said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I think someone mentioned this but if we are to believe Force Ghosts can’t take what form they wish then how does Anakin, Shaw or Hayden, appear in Jedi robes he never had??

That’s a problem in the PT, not the OT.
OT can’t be blamed for someone dropping the ball over a decade later.

And, again, to people who say Shaw should still have had scars, ect;
Should Obi-Wan still be cut in half? That’s how he was last time we saw him.
Should Yoda still be sick and coughing? That’s how he was last time we saw him.

True, true

Nevermind. I think my quote was just being used as an example to explain the shape shifting theory.

I think someone mentioned this but if we are to believe Force Ghosts can’t take what form they wish then how does Anakin, Shaw or Hayden, appear in Jedi robes he never had??

DuracellEnergizer said:

But that’s from other movies. Different rules apply.

The sarcasm is strong with this one. 😎

Anakin Starkiller said:

it’s a significantly smaller leap of logic to accept the Shaw ghost as Anakin Skywalker

I don’t see how it makes more sense for him to appear in a form he never had than one he did.

Because in spirit form he can take what form he wants but still appeared as a representation of the person Luke saw behind the mask. What more do you want??

Miracle on 34th Street

All or most of the Shirley Temple films

Planet of the Apes

The OUT needs a release more than an updated SE!

The actual approach to the Death Star IMO looks way more realistic in the original. The CGI version of the SE even with the one pilots head moving looks like it belongs in a Pixar movie.

Sooo Frink has many bubbles???

yhwx said:

crissrudd4554 said:

A mono version was created for theatres that were unable to play the film in stereo.

I don’t think that’s the question he asked.

Well it was the closest I had to an answer.

Here’s a new theory. Perhaps those spirits were only visible to Luke. No one seems to acknowledge them when they appear not even Leia when she comes over to Luke. That said perhaps they appear in a spiritual form that’s only recognizable to Luke. Just because to some of us there may be less logic to have Anakin appear elderly and unscarred doesn’t mean it’s not logical in Luke’s case. Anakin may appear in a form he had not been in his lifetime but Luke still clearly recognizes it as the redeemed man he saw behind the mask.

Having Hayden appear IMO makes Anakins redemption less meaningful and deceptive. It almost pushes the idea that had he survived we are to think he will just return to the whiny young Jedi he was years ago which I think most of us will agree wouldnt be the case. IMO the redemption is more about a man turning his back on evil for good than simply reverting to who he had been many years before. The spirit Luke sees is the redeemed man who saved his life, not the whiny arrogant Jedi who would ultimately turn his back on good.

A mono version was created for theatres that were unable to play the film in stereo.

TV’s Frink said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

a man who never existed.

Um…what?

JEDIT: Never mind. Sometimes it’s pointless to follow this ridiculous conversation.

FTFY

adywan said:

ZeeverFett said:

If Shaw is used, this is the only version Luke would recognize:

He would recognise him more than some mop haired kid that just appears. Just a couple of scars and no hair doesn’t make him unrecognisable at all. Information is not easily available under the oppression of a regime like the Empire. He couldn’t just look up information about his father. The Emperor would have suppressed all of that. If it was so easy for Luke to look up info on his father, then it wouldn’t have been too hard for him to discover that he became Vader.

Anakin appearing as his younger self is ridiculous. So, one of the most evil men in the galaxy can suddenly return to his youth, while the other two jedi have to remain their older selves? And the fan theories about how he returns to his form when he was last a good man is also ridiculous. Not only is he NOT a good man on the light side of the force when he looked like that, ( He had already begun on the path to the dark side, He had, after all, slaughtered a whole village of Tuskens, including the women and children, out of anger long before he looked like that), but that also completely destroys the whole redemption arc of ROTJ. Anakin turns back to the light side prior to his death. Him becoming a force ghost originally symbolised that. Before the rubbish that they had to learn it, which Anakin had no knowledge of, so couldn’t have become a force ghost. God, the prequels screwed so much up in the OT

Anakin Starkiller said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Funny how nobody – absolutely nobody – complained about Shaw-as-Anakin not making any sense/being confusing until the Hayden change was introduced.

Because up until a year a two before he was added, nobody knew what a young Anakin looked like. It’s a retroactive plot hole, but an inevitable one, when making the Prequels.

Again I dont get what him looking like when he was younger has to do with him choosing to appear as his older self in the Force. Just because he never appeared as an unscarred old man before dying means he can’t appear so after he dies?? Why not?? Are there rules about what forms those in the afterlife, or Force rather, can take form of once they die?? Dracula can take form of a wolf yet I’m sure he wasn’t as such before he became one of the undead. And don’t give me the whole ‘thats another movie/story’ argument. Also who’s to say Anakin didn’t choose to appear as an unscarred old gent so Luke could have a better representation of the man he saw behind the mask?? If you can give proof that these rules about what one can take form of in the Force are real then fine but until then I don’t see where your implications that this change was inevitable are coming from.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Funny how nobody – absolutely nobody – complained about Shaw-as-Anakin not making any sense/being confusing until the Hayden change was introduced.

I’m pretty sure probably 99% of what was changed for the SEs weren’t complained about til the changes were introduced.

TV’s Frink said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

Just because I use words like “should”, doesn’t mean I’ll track down and kill everyone who doesn’t do as I say.

Only a serial killer would say something like this.

Well he does have Killer in his name so…

ANH did not have the squished titles (aside from a squished LFL text and asquished ‘A long time ago…’). Also note that the pre-1995 P&S releases of ANH had the 1980s Fox logo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2hChR9-naU

ESB and ROTJ had the squished logos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzaqlNQzmpc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K_Uk7ty5yc

oojason said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don’t remember any of my US sets having squished crawls they were all P&S. I had the late 80s/early 90s set with the yellow logos, and then the 95 Faces set after that.

This set?:-

Absolutely love the artwork used on that - think I must have worn those tapes out constantly playing them back then 😃

I think the above set came out in 1990, with a Letterbox Edition set released 2/3 years later - with some different artwork/colouring of text on the back covers.

Yes that set was from 1990. It was repackaged in 1992 with different back covers and was released under Fox Video as opposed to CBS/FOX. A letterbox set of the 1992 set including From SW to Jedi was also released in '92.

I think the old UK VHS of ANH had that effect although all the releases over here did not. The pre-1995 VHS releases of ESB and ROTJ had the squished in crawls though the opening shots were pan and scanned correctly.

Anakin Starkiller said:

But why would he chose to appear as a man who never existed?

Because in the afterlife, excuse me The Force, he had the choice.