crissrudd4554

Mike O said:

This is torturous.

I think you mean ‘This is madness’ 😉

Saw it the second time today. I too have conflicted feelings about it. There’s definitely twists I did not see. Killing off Snoke and Phasma after only two movies I thought was a big twist. Definitely some love triangles forming here (you know which ones they are). Some of this I like better than TFA some I don’t but mostly the former. New themes and old ones. Definitely a lot of ROTJ vibes with most of Snokes scenes. I did feel there was more to keep hidden with this movie than TFA. However even my feelings for TFA are still somewhat conflicted. I did think Luke’s use of the Force at the end was brilliant and had never seen the Force used to such an extent in any other SW film. Yoda was a nice surprise and I’d rather him than spirit Anakin personally. Will probably see this a third time sometime this week hopefully. Definitely a good watch but where it ranks among my favorites I’ve yet to decide.

Not sure what you mean by the Death Star computer screens. If you mean the English being changed to a Star Wars language on the tractor beam screen that was done in 2004. Yes the ‘Episode IV A New Hope’ was added to the crawl in 1981.

The 2006 bonus DVD of the first film is basically the 1977 film with the 1993 LD mix which had subtle differences from the original audio. I believe subtle audio changes were made to the other two films in 1993 but don’t quote me on that. Nothing visual as far as I know was changed with the last two films.

Farquh said:

I’m new here, so sorry if the topic I’m bringing up has been discussed at length here already. I tried searching for a thread to add to, but couldn’t find one that seemed fitting enough.

My question is, what are the major concerns with the 2006 DVD releases of the Orignial Theatrical Editions? I’m speaking of the ones that were released in the 2disc sets where disc one was yet another release of the 2004 DVD Special Editions, and the 2nd Bonus disc was the Original Theatre versions.

There is much talk about how the original versions aren’t available, and I understand that there isn’t a blu-ray or digital release of the OT theatrical editions, but aren’t these DVD’s very close in content to what we could possibly expect should the OT theatrical editions actually get modern format release?

What was it about these particular DVD’s that just didn’t suffice for a satisfying original theatrical release for fans?

To put it bluntly, they were unremastered and sourced from outdated 1993 non-anamorphic widescreen Laserdisc masters, pretty unforgiving even for 2006 standards.

TV’s Frink said:

The G said:

all I want to see is a star war disney pls

What.

I’m too tired and lazy at the moment to photoshop something Star Wars related into a photo of Walt Disney so…

(Insert Image of Walt Disney in Vader helmet, Stormtrooper helmet, Jedi robes, etc.)

I remember seeing those sets in stores and remember vividly the packaging mentioning the original versions. Even in that first video it shows that 4-6 still have the artwork that accompanied the GOUT release and the disc art is also the same.

When can we expect Disney to buy Paramount so the next Indiana Jones Film has the Paramount logo?? 😉 KIDDING, kidding!

Frank your Majesty said:

So, no mention of the OOT after the deal either means they are not interested in it or they are already working on it. Just like no mention of the OOT before the deal either meant they were not interested in it or they were already working on it. I don’t see how buying Fox changed anything. We either get it or we don’t and all we can do about it is wait.

I doubt any statement regarding OUT release is gonna occur that quickly after the sale took place.

My best advice is get any US Region 1 NTSC DVD release. You could probably get one on Amazon for like $10. Doesn’t matter which version or which cover it has. The mono will be there. I don’t have an audio file of the mono for you to use so telling you what’s changed isn’t gonna help if you wish to use the sound effects in your mix.

So I assume this throws the whole ‘they’re waiting til after 2020’ argument out the window then correct??

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

where the sound effets for the machines in cyberdyne changed too?

Some of them. The compactor is different. You mentioned this mix you’re making combines the mono and surround mix. May I ask how you intend to do this if you don’t have the mono sounds to use?? Me clarifying what was changed and what wasn’t isnt really gonna help.

i use youtube videos. this is my very first film im editing. i dont wish to bother you but some of the videos of the mono sounds are not on youtube, i do not own the mono DVD but i do own the VHS from the 80’s. im not a professional. i hope im not getting you upset.

No not at all. Like I said I’ll help with what I can.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

where the sound effets for the machines in cyberdyne changed too?

Some of them. The compactor is different. You mentioned this mix you’re making combines the mono and surround mix. May I ask how you intend to do this if you don’t have the mono sounds to use?? Me clarifying what was changed and what wasn’t isnt really gonna help.

As a downloadable file I’m not sure. For purchase then I would go with a Region 1 DVD release. Try PMing the original poster of this thread to see if he still has the synced file.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I dont know if this has been discussed but there appears to be some slight differences in the mono mix included on the MGM DVDs and the mono mix included on the pre 2001 releases. This is mostly noticeable during the Police station massacre but it occurs in a few other scenes. For the sake of discussion I’ll refer to the mix on the MGM DVD as ‘MGM mono’ and the other mix as ‘standard mono’. Heres what Ive noticed so far.

1. ‘Clinking’ noise when the store clerk pulls the Uzi 9mm off the shelf. This is missing on the standard mono and the 5.1 mix.
2. Some machine gun fire heard in the background is missing during the police station massacre. First is when Traxler locks Sarah in his office. In the standard mono after he says ‘stay here’, we hear ‘ratatatatat tatat’ (closes door). In the MGM mono, we hear ‘stay here’ ‘ratatatatat’ (closes door). No ‘tatat’. Second is after the power is cut and it cuts to the officer in the interrogation room peaking through the blinds of the window and then runs to the door. Machine gun fire in the background when he runs to the door is missing on the MGM mono.
3. When the Terminator cuts the power in the Police station, the sound of the emergency lights coming on is much louder on the MGM mono.
4. A bit hard to notice but it sounds like some noise is missing when Reese rams the officer into the door of the interrogation room before knocking him out. The standard mono and 5.1 sound mostly identical in this instance.
5. ‘Clinking’ noise when it cuts to Sarah crawling underneath Traxler’s desk to hide is present on MGM mono.
6. On the standard mono, the sound of the Terminators motorcycle cuts in about a second before the fadeout to Reese and Sarah’s love scene cuts to the Terminator on the bike. On both the MGM mono and the 5.1 mix, this doesnt happen and the fadeout to the love scene just cuts to the Terminator on the bike.
7. After Sarah goes ‘No! Kyle!’ but before she says ‘Come on!’ when he momentarily collapses after powering up the machines at Cyberdyne, on the MGM mono we can clearly hear a bang at the door (Terminator trying to get in). This is only faintly heard on the standard mono.

this is very useful

For a visual representation please check out the comparison video I shared a few posts ago.
I don’t believe the glass shattering into Cyberdyne was changed.

The mono is available on the Region 1 DVDs. If not try messaging the original poster of this thread to see if he still has the synced Laserdisc track. If that doesn’t work and you have a MySpleen account there’s already an .mkv of the Blu-ray synced to the LD track over there. Also you mentioned a few posts back that you’re making your own mono mix. If you’re making a mono mix using the mono sound effects how is that gonna work?? Is this a mono mix of the mono mix or a mono mix with the effects from the surround mix?? Elements of both?? Again just asking out of curiosity and like I said I’ll provide whatever tips I can.

Anakin Starkiller said:

I think you mean Lucasfilm, although even they weren’t around until after the first film.

???

The first films opens with the Fox logo followed by the text ‘A LUCASFILM LIMITED Production’.

Here’s another example. Judging from the image this video looks to be ripped from the DVD and the subtle audio differences I noted in the comparison video are present here as well. The uploader also gives credit to MGM. The correct door slam is here too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKCTher-LMA

The second video is incorrect. Whoever uploaded that somehow got part of the remix tacked on the front (unless some editions of the MGM disc incorrectly had that sound effect on the mono track). I’m watching the 2001 MGM DVD right now with the mono and it has the correct sound. Here’s further proof the 2001 DVD has the right door slam. Below is another YouTube video where someone synch’d the mono track to the BD footage. The audio he used is from the MGM DVD since you find the subtle differences I pointed out in my comparison video present in this video. But you can see this video has the correct door slam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJDHcO5Lb0&t=7s

TylerDurden389 said:

…However. You’re missing the difference in the door clank sound at the police station
when The Terminator walks out (after saying “Ill be back”).

The door clang is the same in both monos.

On a different note I decided to finally make a video comparing the subtle differences between the Mono on the LD and the one that was included on the MGM Special Edition DVD.

https://vimeo.com/246332731

One slight difference I believe is present but didnt note in the video is when the Terminator cocks the 12 gauge in the gun shop. Is it me or does it sound like the cocking sound was double tracked on the MGM mono??

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I don’t have to. They did.

It just sounds very modern

Pretty much all the new sound effects added to the Terminator surround mix sound very modern and IMO very out of place in a 1980s film. Even ‘80s films with good surround mixes used sound effects that were of their times. Not so much with the Terminator remix.

So afte the pipebomb explotion after kyle places it on the terminators ribs was not changed?

The Endoskeleton exploding from the pipebomb was changed. Could you please elaborate more on what you are trying to attempt here?? Are you more interested in the mono sound effects or the remix?? Do you not have the mono on a DVD to compare?? Not trying to be rude, just a little lost but I’ll help if I can.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I don’t have to. They did.

It just sounds very modern

Pretty much all the new sound effects added to the Terminator surround mix sound very modern and IMO very out of place in a 1980s film. Even ‘80s films with good surround mixes used sound effects that were of their times. Not so much with the Terminator remix.

I don’t have to. They did.

I don’t believe that sound was changed when the movie was remixed.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Exactly what about the sounds so you wanna know??

was it the sounds used in the Police Station massecre

Yes the gun does make the same sounds in the motel scene as it did in the police station massacre.

AndrewTheMan said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Exactly what about the sounds so you wanna know??

im sorry if you dont understand me.

No worries.