crissrudd4554

Creox said:

Slavicuss said:

Creox said:

Does anyone know WHY Lucas stubbornly clings to his decision? Is he embarrassed about the original release or is he just being that controlling of his creation? or is it something else?

I find his decision to date quite puzzling on the surface of it.

Spite. He’s pissed the fans didn’t take to his prequels the way they did the original films. So he denies them the originals they hold dear. That’s my take.

He also believes the original versions came up short (for whatever reasons) and wants to improve them, but that’s no excuse for trying to bury them. All versions can coexist as other box sets (CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, ALIEN, BLADE RUNNER, etc) have demonstrated.

I cannot think of another director that has treated one of their films in this manner…does anyone know of one?

Not as dramatic a situation as Star Wars but Milos Forman basically foresworn the theatrical cut of Amadeus after releasing the directors cut.

Ryan-SWI said:

As there remains no proper restoration and release of the OOT, no, I’m not.

It’s 2019. There’s a thousand different options to watch the original version now, it’s not a big deal.

None of those options are official but anyways back to the regular scheduled TROS discussion.

Just came from the movie. I feel very indifferent right now. The following is STRICTLY my OWN opinion! Why hint at something Finn wants to tell Rey and never conclude with it? Rose was a wasted character more in this than Last Jedi! Rey jumping and slicing through Kylo’s TIE Fighter was awesome but it’s impact was diminished by quickly having the showdown that ends with us believing Chewie died. Finding out Chewie was alive made this even more aggravating (don’t get me wrong I’m glad he lives). And frankly this may be the most depressing Star Wars film I’ve ever scene. Even the lightsaber battles seemed weak and unenergetic. Practically everything important, if any, about Last Jedi is wiped from this film. Yes I know J.J. confirmed they were gonna do that but literally I was thinking you could watch Force Awakens then skip to this film and peace together yourself what happened in the middle, that what you need to know at least. There’s so much I could go on with this. I don’t hate this movie but it wasn’t fully a winner for me.

DrDre said:

doubleofive said:

I have an article written that goes through every addition & how each one ruins the movies & shows how none of them were actually done for artistic purposes. I hope when it’s published that it will be the spark that burns down the Special Editions, or at least shows that they are so flawed that we deserve to at least have the option to watch the originals.

This to me seems to be completely beside the point. The OOT debate imo is not about which version is better, which is wholly subjective, but which came first, which is a wholly objective. It is about preserving the history of film, and being able to view the films as they were released in their time warts and all.

This^ and frankly this is why it kinda annoys me when folks say ‘they should remove this but keep that’. That loses the entire point of the situation. I’m not after a ‘compromise’. I want the ORIGINAL VERSION, matte line, poor compositing, wires, and all. A ‘compromise’ is still unfaithful to preserving history.

Density said:

crissrudd4554 said:

27 discs??

My theory on what will be included:

UHDs of each 1-9 (obviously), regular BDs of 1-9, and the same bonus discs from before. That adds up to 27.

No it doesn’t. There were only three bonus discs in the 2011 Blu-ray set, and neither TFA nor TLJ has a bonus disc. The standard Blu-rays of both TFA and TLJ simply include all the special features on the same disc. In TLJ’s case the standard Blu-ray functions as a bonus disc to the UHD for that reason.

So if they just included what’s been released so far, plus ROS and new UHD discs for all the films aside from TLJ, that would only add up to 21 discs.

At the very least they would have to spread everything out to an extra disc per film to get 27 discs. Which would be incredibly inefficient. And I can’t imagine they have enough new features from the sequels alone to make up 6 discs. So we should expect at bare minimum they include a lot more special features for all the films in some shape or form. That may or may not include the OUT.

I stand corrected although there was a disc for additional extras in the 3D set of TFA. If you wanna count that disc, and perhaps the 3D disc of TFA itself, that’s a possible 23. They may also do 3D discs for TLJ and TROS.

27 discs??

My theory on what will be included:

UHDs of each 1-9 (obviously), regular BDs of 1-9, and the same bonus discs from before. That adds up to 27.

Speaking of ‘respecting George’, what’s this I hear that George wasn’t even invited to the premiere of TROS???

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Irrelevant that it would sell better. Doesn’t change the fact that physical media isn’t even a drop in the bucket for Disney.

That too.

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

DrDre said:

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1204960815821946880?s=21

JJ is on our sides

That’s good to hear, and I respect him for being open about his views in this matter, but he sadly also confirms the OOT will not be released for reasons even he doesn’t understand.

As far as he knows.

This is pretty major imo. We have the director of 2/3 of the ST saying on camera in a sit-down interview that he doesn’t understand why the unaltered versions haven’t been restored to modern quality. The most we’d gotten from him prior was casually mentioning he’d shown his kids the original versions in a written interview several years ago (whether this was the GOUT or Harmy is unclear).

Rian hasn’t brought up the subject at all to my knowledge since he was hired by LFL back in 2014, although he did jokingly refer to the SE as “the cartoon version” on twitter the week the bd’s came out back in 2011.

I think, it goes a little bit beyond, as far as he knows. He literally states, he asked about the OOT, and was told a release wasn’t possible. So, I think it’s almost certain the OOT will not be included in the physical release of the 4K versions next year. In this respect it’s also important to note, that the new 4K master was done under the supervision of Lucas before the sale of LFM, making it even less likely the OOT will be restored, as this will be an archive release, not a new restoration by Disney. The release of the OOT is becoming less likely with every year that passes, and with physical media becoming extinct, next year will likely be the last opportunity for such a release, as the SE will forever remain the available versions on streaming services. I just don’t see it happening next year, and so I don’t see it happening at all, sadly.

…but I’d say the physical 4k release will sell in significantly higher numbers if an unaltered restoration is included…

Well OBVIOUSLY but that in no way confirms that’s their intentions. My hope for an OUT restoration has been more or less dead for 2+ years now and I think this J.J. interview is only a further nail in the coffin. Do I want to be wrong? Of course but eventually becoming hopeful only fades into delusion the longer time passes where nothing happens.

I didn’t make the article, just sharing but thank you. Hahaha

New article on the 4K changes of ANH.

https://thedigitalbits.com/featured/articles/sw-new-hope-disneyplus-4k-2019?showall=1

Article on visual changes.

https://thedigitalbits.com/featured/articles/sw-new-hope-disneyplus-4k-2019?showall=1

My prediction God forbid they should change this scene again is Greedo fires and the shot ricochets off the wall and kills him. Han never fires at all.

ChainsawAsh said:

crissrudd4554 said:

I know I’ve given views on this topic before but here it goes again. IMO they’re two different scenarios. One makes sense, one partially does.

I understand the Emperor change but my problem with it is the added dialogue and the fact that Ian literally delivers his lines as if he’s reading off cue cards. If it had been done similar to Adywan’s version including the look of the Emperor maybe it would have worked better. I’d still pick the original either way just on principle but anyways.

The Anakin switch is a different story. IMO without throwing the nostalgic angle on it it makes the redemption less meaningful and shows a variation of the character Luke never knew. Showing Shaw shows both a figure Luke will recognize and also represents the redeemed man who turned his back on evil, not the young whiny arrogant Jedi who did the opposite.

Was going to respond, but this is exactly how I feel about it so I’m just gonna quote you.

Fair enough. 😉

I know I’ve given views on this topic before but here it goes again. IMO they’re two different scenarios. One makes sense, one partially does.

I understand the Emperor change but my problem with it is the added dialogue and the fact that Ian literally delivers his lines as if he’s reading off cue cards. If it had been done similar to Adywan’s version including the look of the Emperor maybe it would have worked better. I’d still pick the original either way just on principle but anyways.

The Anakin switch is a different story. IMO without throwing the nostalgic angle on it it makes the redemption less meaningful and shows a variation of the character Luke never knew. Showing Shaw shows both a figure Luke will recognize and also represents the redeemed man who turned his back on evil, not the young whiny arrogant Jedi who did the opposite.

Wazzles said:

It looks like the disappearing Y Wings are back.

What about the disappearing TIE Fighters in ROTJ???

Or the stunt person’s arm in the Wampa’s suit in ESB??

Or the side of the screen cut off during the TIE Fighter battle in ANH??

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

SilverWook said:

I was surprised to see Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore on TCM the other night with it’s vintage 70’s Saul Bass Warner Bros. logo intact. Or does Martin Scorsese have enough clout that they don’t slap a modern logo on his films?

Warner is the worst with that. They seem intent to erase that logo from catalog titles though they ironically slap it on period pieces like Joker and Argo today. Fox and Universal usually don’t disappoint. Even Disney has been preserving the Buena Vista card lately (recently spun the Love Bug and Mary Poppins, both of which look great on blu!)

Warner is definitely the worst. Paramount’s swapped out their logo too a few times as well. One of the reasons I liked the 4K version of Grease was cause it restored the OG Paramount logo. Disney is high on the list as well. Toy Story still isn’t available on BD with the original CG Disney castle and fanfare.

Tobar said:

Is this a brand new audio mix as well? It has the Threepio narration over the death star plans and also has “Close the blast doors!”

That’s been in ALL the Special Edition versions!

doubleofive said:

crissrudd4554 said:

Kamdan said:

I noticed that one shot of Obi-Wan’s saber in A New Hope was fixed so that it doesn’t look like a stick anymore.

Is that the shot at the end of the first part of the dual with Vader?? If so that was first corrected in 2004.

No, they’re right, they put a core on the blade in 4K, in 04 they just put the glow layer.

Ahh gotcha.

schorman13 said:

That’s the fifth version. It’s been changed in '97, '04, '11, and now in '19. Seems like a ~7 year itch for George.

Yep I was just thinking. Doesn’t this make the Greedo scene the only scene in all the Star Wars films that’s been changed with EVERY release since 1997??? No wonder it’s the most infamous change!

Kamdan said:

I noticed that one shot of Obi-Wan’s saber in A New Hope was fixed so that it doesn’t look like a stick anymore.

Is that the shot at the end of the first part of the dual with Vader?? If so that was first corrected in 2004.

Well we got a new contender! Greedo’s LAST WORD!

https://streamable.com/nit5m

Oddly enough this is a movie I prefer open matte.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

I’ve often wondered if DVD extras had been a thing back in 95-97, would Lucas have just put the ANH Jabba scene in as a deleted scene extra…? Would he have added ANY of the deleted footage (like the reunion with Biggs on Yavin 4)?

Probably not. It took until the BDs just to get the other deleted scenes.

NeverarGreat said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

NeverarGreat said:

It’s even worse than using the original poster for each movie

What? That’s what they should do!

That was assuming that the goal was artistic homogeneity. Obviously the original posters would have been superior.

Especially since TFA and TLJ are available with their original posters as covers anyways.

SilverWook said:

Please keep politics out of this thread. Thanks!

This^^^