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#1237739
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Dirty Harry original mono mix
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SilverWook said:

Studios could get weird where title sequences on widescreen movies are concerned when they reached home video. Squeeze the original so no text gets cut off, but make the actors look thin, or use a textless version intended for making foreign release prints with no thought to matching the style of the theatrical titles. I know on my old pan and scan Raiders Of The Lost Ark LD you can tell it’s video generated text over the opening footage, which doesn’t look like the original theatrical lettering.

In the rare instances a title sequence was letterboxed in early home video or on tv, artwork would be used to conceal the black bars.

Maurice Binder got so fed up with seeing his intricate James Bond title sequences get mangled on tv, that he would create separate 4:3 versions in the Roger Moore era.

Raiders looks like it has the same font though it does lack the black outline on top of the white lettering and obviously sized differently to accommodate the 4:3 image.

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The 1999 Fullscreen VHS and 2003 Fullscreen DVD have the opening and closing credits in widescreen so the original logos are retained.

This reminds me of something strange with Jaws. The 1980s VHS as well as the Discovision release has the credits in the same size and font as the widescreen version albeit they appear somewhat small in the 4:3 image while the 2000 Fullscreen VHS and DVD and 2005 Fullscreen DVD have the credits a bit larger but squeezed in to accommodate the 4:3 (like Raiders above).

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#1235024
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Logo Preservation
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This is partly why I hate the removal of the original Disney logo on Toy Story. The logo is MEANT to segue into the opening scene. Now we have the current Disney logo followed by the Pixar logo which then sugues into the opening scene. Not only was the original logo itself supposed to segue into the first scene but the music too. Here’s the original logos at the start of Toy Story 2.

https://youtu.be/1f9d0OMavaI

Now here’s the original logo for Toy Story.

https://youtu.be/2GZ5x1AmW4w

When you compare that to the first video you can tell that the last two notes of that Disney theme are actually the start of the music of the first scene in the second video. That segue is lost with the plastering.

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#1229880
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Films re-released with alterations
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Got my replacement Grease DVD yesterday so figured I’d share this to verify that the restoration error has been corrected.

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crissrudd4554 said:

I had mentioned Jaws. Here’s some screen grabs from the 2005 DVD and the 2012 BD. A bit tough to spot but the first example shows a wire balancing the buoy on the '05 DVD (look closely to the right of the buoy).

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Second might be a bit tough to spot but to the far left is a sailboat on the horizon on the '05 DVD.

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Here’s grabs from the Fullscreen DVD just to verify more since you can see what I mentioned somewhat better here. You can definitely see the sailboat I was talking about.

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Again these are subtle changes but changes nonetheless.

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#1227656
Topic
Jaws PCM mono track
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crissrudd4554 said:

The 7.1 mix is actually an upscale of the 5.1 mix from the original DVD release and as a result still features most of the new sound FX added back in 2000. Some original sound FX were restored but not much. The only ones Ive noticed were the original whale cry, Brody pumping the rifle before climbing the mast, and the ricochet when the bullet hits the airtank. Many fans were quite pleased the latter was restored and rightly so but personally I dont think it meshes well with the newer sound effects. There were some things about the 7.1 mix that I think improved over the 5.1. Brody’s ‘bigger boat’ line is somewhat louder and not as drowned out by the music as it was on the 5.1. When he says ‘Smile you son of bi***’ its also somewhat louder than on the 5.1 although ‘bi***’ is still obscured by the bullet shot. You can only properly hear that word in the mono mix. Just the same I prefer the mono mix either way although it is a shame that even the version of that track thats in use now has issues.

Old post but figured I’d share some examples of this for anyone who are misinformed. As some know a lot of the reviews for the Jaws BD seem to give the impression the 7.1 mix faithfully replicates the original mono in surround. This is false and here’s the proof.

Mono

https://youtu.be/EQMZC_7KyIE

Surround (2000 mix)

https://youtu.be/FpxOLhuNXfM

Surround (2012 mix)

https://youtu.be/-MBNYeBP1jg

Note that the last two are more or less the same?? The last one has slightly better balance and it does restore Brody pumping the rifle and the ricochet but nonetheless clearly is not a surround replication of the mono.

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#1227652
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Re-mixed audio tracks on video releases
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skoal said:
Below are some links for Sha-Na-Na ‘Born To Hand Jive’ from the Grease. The last one strongly suggests a DVD release has the original soundtrack. Drums kick in after a fight on-screen and then a guy slides toward the camera and the remixed soundtrack has an extra foley effect.

I know this is an old post but I checked that last video. That’s not the original. That’s the song simply played over the movie footage. Note there’s no dialogue and sound effects and also the song doesn’t quite sync up right?? Most likely the work of whoever uploaded that video. The mix on the new 40th Anniversary release is as close as we’ve gotten to the original mix in 20 years. I recommend that release if you’re concerned of the audio for this film. Additionally check out this video from another user. There’s a few examples in there from Born to Hand Jive.

https://youtu.be/cuXu4e-tozs

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#1215039
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Halloween 1978 theatrical cut?
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To my knowledge there was no other cut of this other than the extended TV version with added scenes shot during the making of Halloween II. This cut got a single DVD release years ago which is now OOP but was included in the deluxe BD set of all the Halloween films as well as the theatrical. So no the theatrical has not gone away.

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#1212778
Topic
Films re-released with alterations
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Wazzles said:

Dek Rollins said:

partious said:

I watched my 1985 Rocky laserdisc (Japanese) recently and noticed during the final scene that some of the audio was different from the version on blu ray and dvd.

After the final bell in the Rocky\Apollo fight, a piano piece plays briefly before the main music kicks in. IMDB mentions this was removed for the surround sound versions for DVD.

The next thing I cant find any reference to online. On the Laserdisc after the final bell rings, Apollo says "Aint gonna be no rematch" just once and Rocky replies "Dont want one" twice, the second time sounding quite emotional and like he REALLY doesnt want one.

Does anyone know when they changed that to the version that is on every DVD\Blu Ray\youtube upload that I can find of the scene. Apollo saying “Aint gonna be no rematch" twice, followed by a single relatively nonchalant "Dont want one” from Rocky?

The original mono on the BD has the piano playing while they don’t want no rematch, but yeah it has Apollo twice and Rocky once, so I’d be curious to hear that LD. Could you record that bit of dialogue and post it online?

I’ll add this if it can be confirmed.

EDIT: On second thought, I won’t add this. I don’t want to go down the audio changes rabbit hole or this thread will never end.

Yeah there should be just a whole separate thread for audio changes but yeah it would be very infinite. I actually think audio gets changed in video releases much more than video does!

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#1207251
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Movie Preservation and Home Media: An Opinion
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Some of this may stride off topic but just thought I’d give my own views. DVD still remains my preferred method for owning movies. Yes having much more detailed image and in some cases more extras is nice but it’s not mandatory to my viewing needs. Again I’m just speaking for myself. Additionally I feel the extra work they put into a lot of these films for BD is where a lot of the complaints over how it looks stems from. It also depends on how you want it presented.

Do you want it to look like an authentic film print or scrubbed to death so much that the grain and dirt is gone?? Also the coloring. Do you want the theatrical colors or balanced out colors that doesn’t necessarily reflect the original look?? You gotta pick and choose I suppose.

Sometimes DVD is the only way to get the original film or close to it in some cases. The Jaws 30th Anniversary DVD is still my go to copy of that film. I prefer the mono track on that release over the BD mono and also it has the unaltered film without the minor tweaks. Hell I still pop out my DVD-R of my Frankenstein VHS because I like the audio.

Then there’s bonus content. The 2004 Star Wars Trilogy DVD set remains the only way to get Empire of Dreams among other things and only parts of the extras on the Terminator Special Edition DVD were carried over to the BD.

So again you gotta pick and choose. I guess I fall in between. I want the films to be clean but look authentic. I want the colors to be balanced and naturalistic but not stray too far from the original look. And sound?? The original sound remastered to the best of its abilities.

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#1204493
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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I found the episode on AMC’s site so I have some screengrabs. Most dont look to be HD, notably the DSII explosion and the Falcon leaving Mos Eisley but they don’t appear to be GOUT sourced. I found another shot which I think might be from the original, the shot of the Rebel fighters going into attack. I may be wrong about that shot though but figured I’d share it anyways. I used a snipping tool for these so framing may not be 100% accurate. I also have a link to the episode below.

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http://www.amc.com/shows/james-camerons-story-of-science-fiction/full-episodes/season-01/episode-02/space

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#1204424
Topic
4K restoration on Star Wars
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Slightly off topic and apologies if this was perhaps mentioned in another thread but has anyone been watching that James Cameron Science Fiction series on AMC?? The newest episode talked about Star Wars and I noticed four instances from the original unaltered films used in the clip montages they showed. They showed the original Alderaan destruction (albeit briefly), original Death Star II explosion, original shot of the Millenium Falcon leaving Docking Bay 94, and the original shot of the TIE Fighter tailing Luke’s X-Wing (after the ‘I can’t shake him’ line). I know this doesn’t necessarily imply anything but thought it was worth mentioning.