caligulathegod

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Post: #264771
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264771/action/topic#264771
Time: 8-Jan-2007 7:59 PM

You should have just burned it in its own folder on the DVD along side the VIDEO_TS folder.

Post: #264441
Topic: why does vader say obi wan has trained u well ?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264441/action/topic#264441
Time: 6-Jan-2007 6:15 PM

Yeah, but the question still doesn't make any sense. Why would he not acknowledge Obi Wan's training of Luke regardless of whether he hated him or not?

Post: #264423
Topic: why does vader say obi wan has trained u well ?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264423/action/topic#264423
Time: 6-Jan-2007 4:06 PM

I've been thinking about this and I don't believe I really even understand the question. Why wouldn't he be able to say that Obi Wan trained Luke well, whatever his feelings about Obi Wan? Besides, Darth really has no idea how long Obi Wan and Luke were together. He could have trained Luke from childhood as far as he knew.

Post: #264416
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264416/action/topic#264416
Time: 6-Jan-2007 3:15 PM

Or, if you could help me out on the settings on TMPGenc that would be cool.

Post: #264364
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264364/action/topic#264364
Time: 6-Jan-2007 2:17 AM

I'd definitely like for you to do a speed corrected version. Can't go wrong with your experience. It was driving me nuts to get it just right. I'd like to just finish it and move on.

Post: #264179
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264179/action/topic#264179
Time: 5-Jan-2007 6:47 AM

Yeah, I think there might have been easier ways than I did it, but I really wanted to do it for my own education. It was fun recreating Jambe's disc from the ground up.

Post: #264163
Topic: why does vader say obi wan has trained u well ?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264163/action/topic#264163
Time: 5-Jan-2007 5:15 AM

I always took it that Yoda lived on Dagobah because it was teeming with life which would hide his presence. Obi Wan points out that the Force is created by Life and later Luke makes a point of stating that the life readings were off the chart when he arrives on Dagobah.

Post: #264161
Topic: Extracting menus, etc.
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264161/action/topic#264161
Time: 5-Jan-2007 4:15 AM

Sounds to me like you want to extract the main program from the DVD, not the menus.

Post: #264160
Topic: Fan DVDS with MPEG Streamclip, Premiere 1.5 & Encore 1.5...Is it possible?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264160/action/topic#264160
Time: 5-Jan-2007 4:10 AM

Premiere really doesn't edit Mpeg very well. You'd be better off converting it to a format that Premiere does accept. Most of the video forums recommend avi using the huffYUV lossless codec. Check out the forums on videohelp.com, www.doom9.org, creativecow.net, wrigleyvideo.com, afterdawn.com. This is a pretty tech-savvy forum, but those forums are dedicated to video issues.

Post: #264151
Topic: Info Wanted: WookieGroomer Split-Screen on Google Video?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264151/action/topic#264151
Time: 5-Jan-2007 2:36 AM

Let's be honest. We are treading a fine line between fair use and copyright infringement. The WookieGroomer set would be pulled in a second if it were uploaded to Google or YouTube.

Post: #263852
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263852/action/topic#263852
Time: 3-Jan-2007 9:17 PM

I had already converted the main film to NTSC, and it looks very smooth, but with no alteration of running time and soundtrack. I was attempting to also convert the main film from 25fps to 24fps while also adjusting the soundtrack to match the new running time. I've successfully converted the soundtrack. The slowed down soundtrack corrects the pitch/cadence issue (mostly-there's a couple instances of spoken commentary and music that was inserted into the PAL already at the correct pitch and speed, so they are subject to 4% slowdown). I used a variety of techniques and was going to try more. Most seem to put in an extra stutter above and beyond the NTSC judder. I just couldn't find a program (short of avisynth-which I'm going to learn) that would take 25fps mpg and take it to 24fps progressive mpg. They all want to take it to 29.97 interlaced. As an experiment, I converted to a lossless avi format so that I could change that to a true 24fps (23.976) then it would be no problem to encode back to mpg without losing any quality. Part of it was actually an experiment for my personal project. I'm doing a recreation of the Moroder version of Metropolis using the restored DVD PAL version and will be doing a lot of editing and frame manipulation. On the conversion (which looks good), I told it to deinterlace the footage and the one side effect was that a quickly running text crawl doubled. I recreated this text in Premiere, but I couldn't get Premiere to convert directly to mpg, so I was looking at rendering back to a lossless avi then using TMPGenc or Procoder to convert that to mpg. There's a 1000 ways to do this and I was trying one that would give me some experience for my actual editing project. I'm sure I would have come across an easy, efficient method. There's plenty of sites out there with advice. I've conversed with DigitalFreak and he's kindly going to do a convert and I'm going to just plug it into my already completed project just to get it done. I was going to run it past him anyway since he has more experience than I do.

Obviously, the best way to view this is in the original PAL, but hopefully this NTSC version will make it available to more people. So far, I've recreated the original DVD pretty damned closely and I'm quite proud of it. Supposedly, there's programs, like NUMenu4U, that will convert menus, but I've reauthored the whole thing from scratch, using only what Jambe has created. I haven't made any alterations (well, one veeeeerry slight one. See if you can catch it.) and I hope Jambe likes it.

Post: #263642
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263642/action/topic#263642
Time: 3-Jan-2007 12:08 AM

Thanks. We'll have this thing available yet.

Post: #263566
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263566/action/topic#263566
Time: 2-Jan-2007 6:34 PM

I tried TMPGenc, but there was some reason I wasn't happy with it. I've lost track of why. I think I was getting the stutter or it wasn't letting me go to a 24p format. I've converted several before, but never with trying to fix the speedup. My first version looked great. Tell you what, I'll PM you my address and you can send me a converted Mpg and I'll plug it rigth into my project. My menus are all done.

Post: #263530
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263530/action/topic#263530
Time: 2-Jan-2007 4:52 PM

OMG, what a pain. In between Holiday stuff, I've spent the week trying to convert the main movie (I'm leaving the rest alone) of Building Empire from 25fps to 24fps, then to 29.97fps. I'm just not up to learning Avisynth yet. Perhaps for my Moroder Metropolis project, but I wanted something reliable that doesn't lose any quality (other than the reduction from PAL to NTSC resolution). I think I finally got it. My original version converts from PAL to NTSC in a way that looks very smooth but doesn't alter the sound synch or pitch. Any other style I've used, including the DGPulldown technique makes it look jerky, which I didn't want. I wanted to truly convert from 25fps to 24fps, then back to an interlaced NTSC format and correct the sound. I converted the original PAL VOBs to a single MPG2 and demuxed the audio to a wav, then I used VirtualDub to convert the mpg to avi with HuffYUV lossless codec. This knocked it up to 80GB! I then imported this into Premiere. I then set it to interpret the footage as 23.976fps. The wav was converted to correct sound using Besweet, which turned out pretty good. The vast majority now is corrected of PAL speedup. The feature is now 2:16 rather than 2:11. An unforeseen issue here is that some of the overlaying commentary/interviews were not in PAL speedup, so the occasional voice sounds 4% slowed down. It's a compromise, but for those of us that have seen this movie so many times that we know the pitch and cadence, it seems much better at the cost of a couple voiceovers.

Well, I just couldn't get Premiere to process it right as it insisted upon going from 25fps to 29.97fps. I ended up using VirtualDub again and found a technique to reinterpret the footage from 25fps to 23.976fps and used my preconverted wav. Now I have a second 80GB file. It turned out pretty good, but one side effect was that there's a very quick text crawl in one shot (telling us which actors also appeared in Superman movies) that when it was deinterlaced the first time into the avi got blurred (doubled). I was able to recreate this text crawl with Premiere, but I'm having trouble using Premiere to convert this back to mpg. For some reason, I can't get the Procoder plugin to work right. Right now, I'm using Procoder standalone to convert the avi to mpg2, just to see how it looks. Premiere doesn't reencode back to HuffYUV. I'll probably have to use the Microsoft DV AVI uncompressed codec, but I really don't have another 80GB to spare on my hard drives. I've already used up space with my Moroder project. I've spent the last few days burning DVDs to clear space. I like how Procoder is converting the avi, but I want the corrected text version. I'm going to attempt to even correct the Rouge/Rouge error if I can. Maybe.

Once I get all this sorted, I have to figure out why my DVD authoring is bogging down. It's coming. I just wanted to give an update.

Post: #263273
Topic: "Banning of OCPMovie"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263273/action/topic#263273
Time: 31-Dec-2006 9:45 PM

There's what, two critical posts over there? That's hardly spamming. Not sure who would have even bothered, but it wasn't any big deal.

Post: #263120
Topic: "Banning of OCPMovie"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263120/action/topic#263120
Time: 29-Dec-2006 11:53 PM

I first came upon this site a few years ago. The place seemed like a bunch of whiners on the level of the No-Organic-Webshooters crowd. Back a little over a year ago, I was doing a Laserdisc conversion to DVD of Star Wars and was researching deleted scenes. I'd happened across the Cantina scene and a few others and was looking for more. Google led me to here and Deleted Magic. Deleted Magic is hands down the best documentary on Star Wars, ever. Also, all the preservation and edit efforts. I stopped my conversion and joined into this now very interesting community. Rather than whine about Luca$, the members here took matters into their own hands and made versions they liked, of Star Wars and other films. I was quite happy with the Cowclops and other versions, including the amazing WookieGroomer sets and then I came across the Classic Editions. I know some like them and others don't, but I found them amazing. They came as close as possible to the nice 2004 set without the special edition crud. They aren't perfect, but they were cool enough that I spent great effort and money to compile nice almost professional looking versions of everything from the Classic Editions and Deleted Magic to WookieGroomer's Splitscreens, Spoofs, Extras (Cowclops or Riktor, I think-been over a year) and even the Holiday Special and gave them out as Christmas gifts to my closest friend Star Wars fanatics. I couldn't wait for the torrent of Empire so I got it directly from OCPMovie. My timing was good, because he had just completed Jedi and I was to get an early copy. I didn't mind the $10 each, plus the freebies of his short films. I did get the list of other DVDs available, including the preservation/fanedits in question. I really didn't think anything about it. I've bought from the convention circuits for years, and they usually charge $20 per disc. Not everyone really has the ability or inclination to torrent and burn.

I've also had an interest in The Thief and the Cobbler ever since I read about it in Comic Scene magazine when Roger Rabbit came out. I was very disappointed when it finally came out in its bastardized version (yes, I was aware of the story at the time). I followed with great interest OCP's project. It is quite an incredible piece of work. I am of the opinion that Garrett is one of the most valuable members of a community full of worthy, creative members. I am quite proud to be part of this community and am about to embark on my own fan edit for the first time after a year of reading about others.

As much as I respect and enjoy OCP's work, I have to admit that I was quite shocked and disappointed when he was first suspended. I followed minute-by-minute, post after post, in almost real time, when it was announced that Star Wars GOUT was finally being released. OCP's posts started out as giddy and happy and soon degenerated into ravings about how he had wasted all this time and effort on the Classic Editions. This was, of course, before we knew they would be just glorified laserdisc transfers. He then started attacking the only currently active preservation effort, the X0 project. He didn't just criticize it, he became quite the asshole spamming in multiple threads. There's a line between genuine criticism and what he was doing. He quite deserved his suspension. Once he calmed down, he became the OCP we all knew from before. He just never quite got that it wasn't that he was criticizing the Site owner and Mods' pet project, it was the very rude way he was doing it. Most of those posts are probably gone, but he was quite off the deep end, and then when his posts were edited of their more over-the-top comments, he was editing them back in (a no-no in any forum).

The newest banning was not really unexpected. When it came out that the newest Star Wars CE V2 was delayed so he could make a little money off of it first to help move, I knew something was going to happen. Then it came out about his selling of not only his own work, but others. I knew this to be true, because I have an email with the same list from over a year ago. He got a free pass because he was such a valued contributor, but it is one of the overriding rules here. The best way to fly under the radar with the fan edits is to not openly profit from them. I've read in his multiple threads in multiple forums about his unfortunate circumstances. I want to really feel bad for the guy, except I have to wonder about his priorities. He can barely keep a roof over his head and was days from being thrown out on the street, but can somehow audition 300+ people for a fan film about She-Hulk. I suppose life isn't always about food and shelter, but there are more important things than hobbies, especially expensive ones.

I'm not really sure where I was going with this rambling post. I just want to acknowledge the valuable contribution that OCP has made to this forum, and indirectly, he is the reason I found this forum in the first place. I also understand why he is gone. Contrary to his belief, it isn't because he criticized the X0 project, but his first suspension was because he was being an asshole about it. The banning is because he broke the most important rule. No one has said he can't still sell his work and others'. He just can't do it and post here. It's a shame, because so much of his work refers back to here. I earlier posted a picture of Pete Rose because this reminds me of him. I am a big Reds fan and have close ties to Cincinnati. Pete is the most deserving baseball player in history to be in the Hall of Fame. He worked his ass off to be the not the best player ever, but the hardest working player ever (the guy ended another player's career by accident trying to win an AllStar Game!). It breaks my heart that he did what he did and I want to pick him up and shake him for letting his fans, his city, and his team down. But he broke a rule that exists for a very good reason.

Thanks, OCPMovie. You will be missed. But this forum doesn't begin nor end with one member.

Post: #262780
Topic: "Banning of OCPMovie"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262780/action/topic#262780
Time: 26-Dec-2006 1:48 PM

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/2631/peterosebasegfx05bo2.jpg

Rules are rules for a reason, no matter how heartbreaking.

Post: #262715
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262715/action/topic#262715
Time: 25-Dec-2006 2:31 AM

Og, I have one for you. Got an email addy? You don't seem to have PM turned on.

Post: #262658
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262658/action/topic#262658
Time: 24-Dec-2006 9:55 AM

Cool. Once I finish, I'm sending it to Jambe, then sending it to DFnyc.

Well, I technically did finish this, but something isn't happy when I render (same problem as the other day, haven't dealt with it yet. Christmas-ugh). The preview looks and acts just like Jambe's DVD. I've made several simpler DVDs using Encore and was pleasantly suprised how well it handles a relatively more complex DVD like BE with its menu transitions. I'm going to take a look at how I've encoded the file that's messing up my render. I took a break from it and prepped my Metropolis Moroder project. A few of the things I learned in converting my source PAL Metropolis from 25fps to 24fps has given me an idea on how to do the feature on Building Empire. I'm going to experiment with actually adjusting the sound. Hopefully it will work.

Post: #262647
Topic: The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262647/action/topic#262647
Time: 24-Dec-2006 8:48 AM

I'm going to jump in and say thanks. I'll help seed it for a while once I grab it.

Post: #262445
Topic: Giorgio Moroder's Metropolis (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262445/action/topic#262445
Time: 22-Dec-2006 7:52 AM

I just discovered ProCoder has a specific setting for conversion to a format accepted by Premiere. It also allows conversion with or without the PAL speedup. That is, it usually will transfer PAL to NTSC with no change in runtime. I just found out that it can be bypassed. I don't need the sound, so I can work without worrying about the pitch or synch, except with Moroder, which will be much more forgiving. The setting goes straight to 29.97, though. I can't seem to bypass that. I'll mess around some more with it.

Post: #262444
Topic: Giorgio Moroder's Metropolis (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262444/action/topic#262444
Time: 22-Dec-2006 7:45 AM

Thanks, but I have that one already. I've been obsessed by this movie a long time. And yes, that is the crappiest version out there, surpassing even VHS in stinkiness. Check it out.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3752/cap013oe5.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8809/metd6ao1.jpg

It's worth having in that it is a copy of the bastardized American edition. One can really get a sense of how terribly it was butchered and how great the restoration is.

Post: #262443
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262443/action/topic#262443
Time: 22-Dec-2006 7:19 AM

Your link is bad.

Post: #262385
Topic: Giorgio Moroder's Metropolis (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262385/action/topic#262385
Time: 21-Dec-2006 6:39 PM

Yay! My PAL Metropolis has arrived. Looks like I'll start working on it next week.

Post: #262365
Topic: ***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/262365/action/topic#262365
Time: 21-Dec-2006 3:51 PM

Ugh, one of the titles is a fatal file. It stops the render flat. I'll have to scrub through and figure what's wrong. It was looking so good, too. Oh well, back to work.