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#207835
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ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207835/action/topic#207835
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The sound crew started with a master 4 track mix (left, right, center, surround)which was matrixed to a 2 track/4 channel mix (Left total/Right total) for 35mm presentations.

They took this same 4 channel mix for the 70mm 6 channel mix, but this is not the equivilent of today's 5.1 split-surround mixes. In 1976, Dolby Discreet 6 channel sound was introduced which consisted of left, mid left, center, mid right, right, mono surround. In 1977, they introduced Dolby "Baby Boom" 6 channel sountrack, which consisted of left, center, right, mono surround, 2 LFE (Low Frequency) channels. This is what Star Wars was released in.

Remember, theatrical 70mm with magnetic 4.1 channel/6 track presentations was preferred over theatrical 35mm 4 channel/2 track optical presentations at the time was because optical soundtracks did not have the fidelity of magnetic soundtracks, which were only available on 70mm. Since then, 35mm has caught up with 70mm, so it is used less. Home presentations are not going to present a substantial difference in using the 70mm 4.1 channel/6 track over the 35mm 4 channel/2 track mix. Most home systems will decode the original 4 channels from the 2.0 tracks.

In short, 2.0 Dolby Digital is perfectly adequate. We are talking about our desire and demand to have the film as it was in 1977 without subsequent tinkering, it seems a bit much to demand a modern tinkered 5.1 soundtrack.
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#207818
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Info: The LID Project: Laserdisc is dead.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/207818/action/topic#207818
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
Wow, I'm a bit late with this. I had a Laserdisc player and a hundred or so discs, and I had no idea they ever made an anamorphic disc.

Was that a later addition like in Japan where they were still building units for the hardcore while everyone else was switching to DVD?

That's an easy mistake to make since most AV enthusiasts were on to DVD shortly after the first few AC3 laserdiscs were hitting shelves.

Btw, when did we start harassing people for typing mistakes? Man talk about childish.

I hope OCP cools down and comes back, he may be strongly emotional about his views right now, but he is a damn productive member of this community.


There were 20 "Squeeze" laserdiscs and three "Test/Demo" discs produced.

Japan-NTSC:
  1. Alaska:Last Frontier (1994)
  2. Basic Instinct (1992)
  3. Cliffhanger (1993)
  4. Cutthroat Island (1995)
  5. Gaia's Daughter (1996)
  6. Julius Caesar (1970)
  7. Ordinary Europe
  8. Showgirls (1995)
  9. Stargate (1994)
  10. Tahiti
  11. Test Disc for Wide Television (1995)
  12. Terminator 2 (1991)
  13. Terminator 2 THX certified


Germany-PAL:
  1. Mikrokosmos - Das Volk der Gräser (1996)
  2. Schlafes Bruder (1995)
  3. Schlafes Bruder (DTS)
  4. Showgirls


UK-PAL:
  1. SONY:LCD Projection WIDE/Super Trinitron WIDE (1996)
  2. SONY:Super Trinitron Wide (1995)


US-NTSC:
  1. Free Willy (1993)
  2. The Fugitive (1993)
  3. Grumpy Old Men (1993)
  4. Unforgiven (1992)


The US discs were never sold at retail but were free premiums with the purchase of certain Widescreen Television sets. The UK discs were obviously test discs. I have no information on the German PAL discs.

Unlike DVDs, Squeese Laserdiscs were not converted by the player but by the TV, so viewers without widescreen TVs could not view these discs undistorted.

So, yes, there were indeed some anamorphic laserdiscs produced. Just enough for internet pedantics to have an exception to point to when someone says there were no anamorphic laserdiscs.
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#206621
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206621/action/topic#206621
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
If anybody remembers the Chicago Tribune article, I think one of the persons involved said even if Lucas suddenly announced the release of the originals, he would finish it just to see how it measured up. I have a feeling this project and most definitely this site may have been decisive in getting the originals released because Lucas doesn't want to lose money from fans that he could get.


If I'm not mistaken, that was OCPmovie and his Classic Editions. Which makes me wonder why he's so upset.
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#202040
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***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/202040/action/topic#202040
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Originally posted by: Rikter
Originally posted by: caligulathegod
I have tons of friends that are old-school Star Wars fans that aren't going to go out and buy a special DVD player for one DVD. I deconstruct and completely reauthor PAL movies and menus from scratch when I do it. It's not hard to make new buttons work and rehide the easter egg. All the (impressive) hard work was done by Jambe.



It's not a special DVD player. Most cheapies at Wal-Mart play PAL and start at $30



It's a special DVD player in that they would have to buy an additional player just to play this one disc. You might do that, and I might do that (I even bought the old Apex AD 600A, back in the day, to play PAL), but most people who don't collect foreign DVDs won't.

I have about 3 or 4 friends whom I'd like to give a copy of this disc, but I can't obligate them to have to shell out even $30 for a new player for one disc. Nor are they going to replace their perfectly good players with a $30 one. Heck, my primary player is a 400 disc changer. If my additional"PAL/NTSC" player wasn't also a recorder, I sure wouldn't replace my primary player with a $30 Wal-Mart cheapie.

Besides, isn't it an odd thing to admonish in a forum about fan edits?

I'm just so impressed with Jambe's work (as I was with OCP's), that I want to share it with my closest Star Wars fanatic friends without putting them out too much.


To the others:The HD/BR thing is pretty irrelevant. Not everyone jumps on the newest technology right away. Even the new digital TV requirement is only going to affect those with rabbit ears on their TV. Anyone with cable will just have to upgrade their service to use the digital box. It's not going to force everybody to buy new HDTVs or even digital TVs. Our TVs aren't suddenly going to be obsolete.


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#201906
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***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/201906/action/topic#201906
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I have tons of friends that are old-school Star Wars fans that aren't going to go out and buy a special DVD player for one DVD. I deconstruct and completely reauthor PAL movies and menus from scratch when I do it. This had static menus, anyway. It's not hard to make new buttons work and rehide the easter egg. All the (impressive) hard work was done by Jambe.
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#201749
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***//BUILDING EMPIRE\\: PAL & NTSC DVD - NEW EDITION NOW ONLINE! ***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/201749/action/topic#201749
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I, too, am very impressed and pleased. Very well done and a fine companion to Deleted Magic. The footage looks great.

My next project is to convert it to NTSC so I can share it with my friends. After watching the films so many times and knowing every cadence and tone and timing, it is still odd to watch them in PAL with the speedup. Kind of munchkin-esque. I use Pro-Coder which works better than anything else I've tried, but it doesn't alter the speed of the film. It's NTSC, but at PAL speed. S'odd.

Anyway, can't wait for the Jedi one.

Oh, can someone PM me about how to get to the easter egg, so I can replicate it? I love the scene, but I've only accessed it directly.
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#201747
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Lightsaber Goofs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/201747/action/topic#201747
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Of course all those things are true, but that's under the assumption that Luke is thinking rationally rather than out of anger. Anger at all the things the Emperor is saying. Angry that his friends are in a trap, and that his fleet is going to be destroyed, and it was the Emperor who set it all up. Meanwhile, Vader's been standing there, practically silent, blending in with the background. Luke's definitely going for the Emperor, and the Emperor knows that Vader will block the shot, thereby finally getting Luke fighting.


This is the one that got it right. Luke came from the right and Vader's blade came from the left and blocked it. Luke was going for the Emperor in the scene. He thought the Emperor was unarmed.
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#201546
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Lightsaber Goofs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/201546/action/topic#201546
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi

First of all, if the picture shows them as "intertwined", then how can one be in front of or behind the other?

Secondly, the picture shows, at the very least, the core of the red saber (Vader) blocking the green saber (Luke), which means that Luke's is behind Vader's, and is closer to Palps - which means it is on the wrong side. This is what I've been saying all along.


The intertwined one is from the official DVD, which had the sword effects redone. I'd argue that while Vader's shows through (a badly done effect), the majority of the blade is Luke's on the correct side. The pic you posted is ambiguous, at best. I altered the curves on yours and it clearly shows Vader's sword between the Emperor and Luke's sword. I see no error in your pic.


http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1849/saber8pl.jpg
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#199917
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Lightsaber Goofs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/199917/action/topic#199917
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That's really a bad screen cap. Here's a better one.

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1643/saber21el.jpg

This one from the official DVD looks like the blades are intertwined.

Also, I think some are getting "behind" confused. Some are thinking of it in relation to the picture: Vader's sword is behind Luke's in the picture (Luke's is closest to us). Other's are thinking in relation to the events depicted in the pic: Vader's sword is in front of Luke's and he is blocking it from hitting the Emperor (Vader's is closest to the Emperor).

We're all on the same page, just some of us are thinking objectively and others subjectively what "behind" means.
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#198730
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Lightsaber Goofs...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/198730/action/topic#198730
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http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/1849/saber8pl.jpg

I altered the curves to make it easier to see. It looks to me like Luke's saber is on top of Vader's. I see nothing wrong here.

Interesting site, but he does the one thing that really drives me nuts.

"After loosing his father's lightsaber, along with his hand, Luke returned to his home planet of Tatooine."

UGH! What is it with the internet that no one can spell "lose" correctly? I understand "Teh" and "pwned" are used ironically, but "loose" is always just plain misspelled.
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#196545
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Certain parts of the PT are just cringeworthy, how did this happen?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196545/action/topic#196545
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Originally posted by: JennyS1138
I agree that there were a ton of cringeworthy moments in the prequels. The only thing that's cringeworthy in the OT is watching Luke drool all over Leia and then make out with her.... Yuck. It's funny to think that when Empire came out, the kissing scene between Luke and Leia was probably met with cheers and applause. When I saw the SE in the theatre, that moment was of course met with laughter and groans. Way to go Georgie!



People always make a big deal over that, but there's really nothing there. There's no love triangle in the OT and "The Kiss" is little more than a closed mouth joke put upon by Leia to piss off Han. Even Luke is playing along to get Han's goat. Luke doesn't have more than one or two conversations with Leia in the first two movies and its about Han. I think we were all fooled into believing that Luke and Leia might happen so we're grossed out by the kiss in retrospect, but a closer study of the films shows that they telegraphed Han and Leia from the start. They even "meet cute" (she rescues HIM- into a trash compactor).

They couldn't have done a triangle, anyway. Luke's destiny was to go to Dagobah and become a Jedi. If the movies had played up the Luke/Leia/Han angle, then we would have been uncomfortable with Han making time with Leia while Luke was training. We were supposed to root for Luke to stay and finish what he started. Also, it would have made Han a less likable character if we thought Luke should have ended up with Leia. Heck, they were even on the poster in a "Gone With the Wind" pose.

So, watch the Kiss again. It's much ado over nothing. There's not even the slightest bit of incestuousness in it other than what we bring with us, because it's not in the films.

Now, I do have a further argument that says they originally intended such, but cut it out for story reasons (already said by me) and took advantage of it when they made them siblings.
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#196542
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Certain parts of the PT are just cringeworthy, how did this happen?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/196542/action/topic#196542
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Originally posted by: Darth Simon
Not that it makes it any better (actually makes it worse) but Portman was 18 in TPM and Lloyd was 10 (well probably 17 and 9 during filming)

but the character of Anakin was supposed to be like 12 and Padme was supposed to be like 14 i think (maybe 16)

either way, it was bad, as while Natalie did look younger (Lloyd didnt look older) it wasnt young enough to make them look close in age. I think a lot of that had to do with maturity of the character (and the actual actor)

I agree that they should have used the same actor for all three or had a different actor for Padme in TPM

-Darth Simon


Where did you get those ages? Phantom Menace was filmed from June to September of 1997. Jake Lloyd was born in March of 1989, making him 8 during filming. Natalie Portman was born in June of 1981, making her 16. She was playing a bit younger 14 years in PM and a bit older 23-24 in Attack of the Clones (she was 19) and 22 playing 26-27 in Revenge of the Sith.

She was the least of the problems of the PT. Perhaps a better director could have gotten more from her, but she was fine despite her age.