BrotherOfSasquatch

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

What if we overlay the Sith whispers we’ve been using for all the dagger scenes over this entire exchange? It could fill in the gaps plus be a thematic thing in regards to Rey’s arc in this movie (one final Sith pull at the very end of her conflict) while also somewhat playing into Palp’s line about being all the Sith.

I would make a mockup of it but I don’t have the whispers sound effects. Preferably, I would use this clip to do my mockup of it (courtesy of Sade): https://streamable.com/fimixx

So, I went ahead and did this. lol.

These are both EXTREMELY rough and only have rudimentary sound mixing on them (I wasn’t even able to hear them through headphones). But, it gets across the general gist of what I was thinking.

I used both Sade’s and Sherlock’s mockups for my sources. I then went ahead and added a cacophony of the Sith whispers we’ve already been hearing in Ascendant, SWTOR Sith whispers and the “Nobody” chorus Axlanian had in his “Sith Legion” edit to the scene, building up until Rey grabs the other lightsaber as one final (desperate) push by Palpatine to break her spirit.

I have two versions of the scene. The one that I’ve preferred this entire time (having Palp’s final line being “You are nothing!”): https://streamable.com/am0y0m

And then there’s the version most of you guys seem to prefer and the one you’ve been all doing your edits with (having Palp’s last line be the “Scavanger girl” line): https://streamable.com/jl01wu

Let me know what you guys think. And if anyone who has more expertise in audio work wants to take a crack at it (Lord knows I’m not any good at it), go right ahead!

sherlockpotter said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I feel like fan edits are intended to be a “definitive version” of the actual movie.

Also, it doesn’t help when such views are either presented as “fact” and other views are wrong or “they don’t understand.”

People refute criticisms of commonly criticized films all the time. I’m doing the same with TRoS.

Dude, there’s no such thing as “definitive.” Everyone’s “definitive” version will be subjective to each person. For example, your “definitive” version is not going to be Ascendant. If you want your own definitive version, you’ll probably have to make it yourself. You can your own thread for your own project.

Again, you’re welcome to offer criticism or talking points, but they should be constructive, not argumentative. And based on your complaints, you’d be better off sharing them in a different thread; Ascendant is what Hal wants the film to be, not you.

Amen.

And to add onto the whole “definitive” bullshit Test just pulled, there’s been plenty of changes and alterations that people have brought up for this project that have been rejected that I liked. So, I’ve personally resigned myself to the fact that at some point, I’ll probably have to create my own personal edit of TROS with these changes to be my own “definitive” version of the movie.

And that’s just how the fan editing game goes. I thought you would have inferred that that’s how things work around here.

EDIT: And this will be my last thing I’ll say about this. Im sorry for derailing the thread, MR and Hal.

If anyone still has this, I’d love to get a link as well. Rebels is still my most egregious blindspot in the Star Wars canon but at this point, I don’t really have a desire to add another show to my watchlist, regardless of how short it is. These movie edits would be a better way for me to get into the series.

Hmm… This is very interesting. I’d love to get a copy of this!

I’d love to get a copy of this!

Movies Remastered said:

RogueLeader said:

but you could argue they’ve had a set change since they started talking. What do you guys think?

It was talked about when Poppa and I were working on the clean plate. The first one is debatable but the second definately could be a set change. I can try to remove them if you’d like though.

My two cents, the play is essentially “The Legend of Luke Skywalker” so it obviously ends at the last place anyone has ever seen him at.

Basically, I think just waiving it off as a scene change/play is ending and a new one has started is justifiable.

TestingOutTheTest said:

BrotherOfSasquatch said:

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

You know, I’m just going to keep on calling you that because of how much it seems to bug you.

DZ-330 said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

So… refuting criticisms of a movie you guys don’t like is trolling or bullshitting?

wonders if the mods are watching so he can be blocked from this thread

JJ needs to take the L and go.

RogueLeader said:

https://vimeo.com/553993952

Hmm… So, I’m not really a huge fan of this idea. However, it has sparked an idea for something else we could try for this scene.

What if we overlay the Sith whispers we’ve been using for all the dagger scenes over this entire exchange? It could fill in the gaps plus be a thematic thing in regards to Rey’s arc in this movie (one final Sith pull at the very end of her conflict) while also somewhat playing into Palp’s line about being all the Sith.

I would make a mockup of it but I don’t have the whispers sound effects. Preferably, I would use this clip to do my mockup of it (courtesy of Sade): https://streamable.com/fimixx

sherlockpotter said:

So this is a really bad example of a potential way to clarify everything. Stretches the scene, and makes the Last Jedi callback more overt. Doing it successfully would depend on A) The resolution of the stage clean plate. (Here, I zoomed in on a 4K source, but if the clean plate is only 1080p already, it would probably look too fuzzy.) And B) How much more RogueLeader wants to suffer for his craft in terms of doing more puppetry. (In no way am I saying you “have” to do this, RL.)

Welcome to the Star Wars fandom, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we play with puppets.

(I’m pretty sure the general idea originally was suggested by someone else. I can’t remember who, but I don’t think I’m clever enough to have thought of this on my own.)

https://streamable.com/gnkec6

I just had the biggest smile on my face watching that. This scene is really going to be something special.

DominicCobb said:

TestingOutTheTest said:

I’ve mentioned this before, but I don’t really like the idea. I feel it’d take away the original point of the scene: to establish the stakes for the movie, hence Rey looking at the children - the future of the galaxy. Terrio even confirmed this in The Skywalker Legacy documentary. Now, it’d just be another reinforcement of Luke’s return on Crait and how it inspired hope.

Honestly man why are you even here. RL just spends all the time making this thing and you chime in with your usual bullshit. Just get the fuck out, don’t troll edit threads if all you’re gonna do every time is say that something is a bad idea.

The only thing he seems to be Testing lately is your patience. lmao.

ZaneFlare92 said:
I have to say you gave that puppet show a much more meaningful meaning at least to me. Star Wars is something most people 1st watch as kids. The kids seeing a Star Wars event though it’s in their reality and they’re enjoying it and laughing gives it a meta feeling in a way. The movies are suppose to bring Joy, Hope, life lessons, stories of good vs evil. That’s the way I take it and I really enjoy it.

I also love how it metafictionally parrots ROTJ as well with how C-3P0 was telling the Ewoks about the adventures him and the rest of the gang went on. The legacy lives on. And the Force will be with this universe, always.

WOW! That’s some great work there, Nev. Can’t wait to see it in the Starlight Version proper.

Can I get a copy of the scene?

Cinefy said:

Concept test: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/501825149469851659/845818575834841108/Sith_scream_subtle.mp4

I honestly really love subtle little edits like this.

DZ-330 said:

But the problem with that statement is that this is a sequel in a very disjointed trilogy, and any connections to help make it feel more connected should be a welcome change.

Not only is it a sequel in a trilogy. It’s also the final chapter in a nine film series.

Plus, like others have stated, you can still have Rey be all Helen Lovejoy about the stakes while also tying back and using iconography from the previous movie to hammer that point home.

Anyways, that is some amazing work you guys! I agree with Sherlock though about re-structuring to have it so Rey turns at the mention of Skywalker plus maybe extending the shot a little with a close-up of the show.

sherlockpotter said:

Speaking of being a Jedi, I’ve tried doing a little more work on that climatic line. It may be better, may be worse, maybe it will sound the same as the other tests. I don’t know anymore! I used Sade’s edit to the Palpatine’s dialogue, and I also fiddled with the “[And] I’m” cut a little more (in addition to the “am a Jedi” bit).

https://streamable.com/wf046s

Also, just thinking generally about Palpatine’s lines… Rey could technically respond to either “You are nothing” or “A scavenger girl…”. So basically, the only order that doesn’t work for his lines is the one they went with in the official cut. Sigh…

Each time you do this, I think it sounds even better and better!

However, regarding your second part, I have to push back a bit. I may be the only person who feels this way but I think out of the two, “You are nothing” fits better as the final line right before “I am a Jedi” instead of “A scavenger girl”.

How I infer it, the scavenger girl line makes her response sound more like a “… Hey, wait a minute! No, I’m a Jedi. You can’t say that!”. Meanwhile, the nothing line helps to make her Jedi line feel way more triumphant as a retort. “You are nothing!” “[No], I am a Jedi!”

IDK, I might just be bugging about this.

Whoa, that’s so cool Cap!

Add me into the chorus of people that thinks “You are nothing” over Rey works. The only thing about it (going off of Sade’s mock-up of it here) is that there’s some awkward pacing before the line.

RogueLeader said:

But like I said, I think it could work both ways, but it might work better if that vision’s connection to Kylo isn’t revealed until later. When she shares what she saw with Finn, she is still is trying to figure out what it means. She doesn’t understand the context. So, when Kylo later provides that context (in this case, that they will kill Palpatine and take the throne from him), Rey’s shocked reaction feels warranted. She putting the pieces together, and the fact Kylo saw it too makes it feel scary and inevitable.

Honestly, just got chills from reading this. I love this line of thinking in regards to that scene.

I really hope a scene like this pops up in the Kenobi series!

Just got to say, I’m really glad a lot of you guys are ok with how the new Rey line sounds. I know personally speaking, I have a hard time seeing the “wrongness” in some edits or I just shrug it off. There’s been multiple times where I’ve seen a mockup on here and I think to myself “Oh, that’s actually pretty good/passable! It could be used in the movie.” But then, I see it get picked apart and start to understand that it actually really wasn’t up to snuff.

Anyways, this is just my long winded way of saying that I’m glad we’re seemingly moving forward with the line change now.

DominicCobb said:

Don’t you think TROS is a masterpiece or whatever? Take it up with that movie, not me. I’m just working with what I got.

I mean, I think we already established that he’s actually JJ.

😄

God, this movie really had to overcomplicate things didn’t it? It was already dumb that they were bringing Palpatine back for TROS. They should’ve just went with the dumbest, most straightforward answer to how he was able to come back in universe.

"Yeah, Palpatine died but some space mosquito sucked his blood and got stuck in space amber and we were able to use that to clone him back to life. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ "

GAH!

Peonthegrate said:

I honestly don’t hear anything off about the mockup of her saying “I am a jedi”. Not saying the other parts don’t need ironing out. But I think Reys dialogue sounds perfectly fine.

Yeah, I’m pretty content with the Rey line as well.

sade1212 said:

DZ-330 said:
I think putting “you are nothing” over the silence would be a good idea as Rey would respond more quickly to saying she’s is a Jedi, which I think helps even more to remove the Endgame-ness of it. Are you able to mock that up?

Sure. Here’s a mockup with “You are nothing!” shifted a little later to alleviate the awkward silence, and here’s one with it shifted all the way to the end as DZ suggests. (Edit: maybe it’s a little quiet there, but you get the idea)

I think that second one is the best application of where we could put the “You are nothing” line. However… that wide gap before the “I am all the Sith” line is a pretty big problem. If I remember correctly, I think Hal omitted the “Let this be the final word in the story of Rebellion” line from right before Palpy starts blasting. Maybe we could reinsert it in that gap?

Worst case scenario, there’s plenty of Sam Witwer lines we can cull from Battlefront II.