brash_stryker

Yes. Fangs a lot!

• Lister: Why are they painting it the same color it was before?
  Rimmer: They're changing it from Ocean Grey to Military Grey. Something that should've been done a long time ago.
  Lister: Looks exactly the same to me.
  Rimmer: No. No, no, no. That's the new Military Grey bit there, and that's the dowdy, old, nasty Ocean Grey bit there. Or is it the other way around?

Darth Venal said:

RoccondilRinon said:

No, you just want things simplified and explained ad nauseam. Doing so is his only purpose in life.

You seem incapable of grasping the idea of a plot which includes shades of grey, in which the antagonist can be a good person, or the villains aren't necessarily working together.

Written proof that you have no idea what I'm talking about. That sounds like first year film student talk. Let's leave this one right here, shall we?

How is you deeming it "first year film student talk" proof that he has no idea what you're talking about? I'm all for healthy debating, but at least back up your points with something other than a cheap unsubstantiated dig.

Just think of Dooku as Sirius Black in Prisoner of Azkaban.

Except that rather than having his name cleared or whatever, noone believes him. He's the last hope for destorying the evil within the republic, and come ROTS, all hope is lost.

Darth Venal said:

And yes, somebody suggested removing the scene with Sidious and Dooku meeting, and why? Because it instills mystery...

Not at all. It's because the Prequels as they are now spell everything out for us. There are no surprises, no great revelations. Everything is spelled out beforehand removing any dramatic impact there may have been.

And, seeing as we're discussing an edit where Dooku is a good person, that scene can't possibly remain.

I don't see where your logic comes from to be honest. Being less certain of Dooku's character adds depth in my eyes. As it is now, he's your archetypal moustache twirling, monocle wearing type of villain. He's doing bad things because the plot says he has to.

As a rogue Jedi, he's fighting the republic, possibly has to watch his old comrades die, but it's all for the greater good. Nevertheless, an inner conflict would come across.

Darth Venal said:

What a brilliant idea. Remove any confirmation that Dooku is working with Sidious, after he's fought Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin. But don't worry, we'll know exactly who he was aligned with in the next movie in the three minutes he appears before being removed from the plot..

1. The Seperatist side does not necessarily equal Sidious' side in an edit.
2. It's not even necessary to have him revealed as Sidious' apprentice in the next film. He can remain a good person, which makes Anakin killing him carry that much more weight.

Darth Venal said:

 

 

Removing his meeting with Sidious is one of the stupidest things I've heard so far. This isn't directed at everyone, by the way, but to those I've been debating this with. Do you have any idea about character? About script writing? Because it seems not. Suggestions about making his character even more nebulous - sorry, mysterious - and pages of debate about repainting a light sabre... what?!

I think removing that meeting not only isn't stupid, but is crucial. A big problem with the prequels is that they spell everything out for the viewer. We know in AOTC (due to both Jango Fett and this meeting) that both warring sides are controlled by the same people, making Palpatine revealing himself in the next film as a Sith completely and utterly unsurprising.

Darth Venal said:

And this logic you're going on about Dooku being a character of unknown affiliation... exactly how long do you think viewers were wondering which side he was on? If the script was trying to pull off some mystery about him then it fails completely. There's ambiguous dialogue with Obi-Wan after he sees Dooku colluding with the Seperatists which achieves nothing whatsoever because it's so badly written, then a scene or two later he's watching two Jedi and a Senator about to be slaughtered. Oh, and then he flees, fights three Jedi and escapes to be with his Sith master. At what fucking point are we supposed to be wondering whose side Dooku was on?

Give me a fucking break.

I don't think anyone here is under the impression that the film in its current form implies that Dooku's affiliations are unknown. We're talking in respect to edits, where he is made a rogue Jedi who is the only one who knows that the republic is being controlled by the very evil they want to destroy.

The scene with him reporting to Sidious would be removed in such edits, and the other scenes you mention, tinkered with.

Darth Venal said:

No offence, but the change of light sabre colour, for the vast majority of people, is completely pointless and conveys absolutely no new information.

Semiotically, it conveys a whole lot. Conventions of Star Wars aside (red for bad guys) red has connotations with blood, searing heat etc.

Giving him a colour other than red conveys a lot in itself. We ALL associate a red saber with the bad guys. Him having something different from both the good and the bad makes us uncertain about his character.

That, and the aformentioned and already demonstrated editing to make him seem like a better person. Here are a couple of my rough editing ideas in this respect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onooMQABtcg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM

I think purple would be a good choice, but not the Pinky Purple of Mace's. That way it's different from the all-blue of the current Jedi order (assuming we're talking about an edit removing all green sabers), but doesn't take away from the impact of Luke's Green saber in ROTJ.

This way, having a purple saber in the prequels actually serves a purpose other than Sam Jackson just asking for one.

Well EU aside, I've always thought that the Quarren look very unsavoury. This is further enhanced by seeing them in Jabba's palace.

Same reason I wouldn't have Trandoshans working for the Alliance in an edit. There's something kindly about Mon Cal features. Not the case with the Quarren.

Just my opinion.

Darth Chronus said:

brash_stryker said:

One slight problem with your mockup, Bingo. If you're to take background info into consideration, the Quarren and the Mon Calamari really don't like eachother. Now i know this doesn't come across in the movies, but I've always though the quarren look evil so my small criticism still stands :)

You beat me to that point :)

And here's part of the ugly history they share with one another (from the 2003 animated Clone Wars micro-series) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Z9Y-q4H5A

Gotta admire Fisto's smile there at the end :D

Loved that series. Really wish the new Clone Wars series was more like that.

One slight problem with your mockup, Bingo. If you're to take background info into consideration, the Quarren and the Mon Calamari really don't like eachother. Now i know this doesn't come across in the movies, but I've always though the quarren look evil so my small criticism still stands :)

JasonN, I'm not sure I've seen the final version of that video before, but it looks very polished. Good work! I've yet to get hold of your complete edit. Anyone able to direct me?

I'm ok with Dooku having any lightsaber colour  other than blue or red, so as to differentiate him from the dogmatic Jedi, but still not being evil.

Be it Purple, Green, yellow, orange, whatever. With Green, it could be a nice parallel with ROTJ or be too similar and thus might not give Luke enough ambiguity. I'm undecided on that.

I don't agree with Mace having any of those colours though. And as for Yoda, I'd prefer it if he wasn't seen with a Saber at all.

Monroville said:

In regards to the Boba Fett cartoon, to confirm what Ripplin says, it is a cell.  Ben Danger: I do think that is a good idea, though it would be time intensive.

I have the KCCP (?) version of the Holiday Special, which I believe is the best copy available; the youtube links aren't quite as good (there is still bleeding colors, but overall the image is pretty good.  I will try to post some screencaps if I can dig it up).

Do you mean the KCCI version? I have that one and remember it being heralded as the best quality version around.

Thanks Ady. Back to searching for the proper ones I guess...

I'm thinking about titles for this edit, and I'm leaning towards 'The Clone War'. I was also considering 'Rise of the Clones' but some people disagreed with me on that title because it would mean we'd still be overusing 'OF THE' and I'm inclined to agree.

With The 'Clone War', I'd be maintaining a naming convention between the two sagas.

Both Episode II and V concern war. Both start with the word THE.

'Attack of the Clones' was fine in terms of naming conventions (which is why Lucas chose it) but he didn't think it through about it actually making sense. Had he wanted to call it ATTACK, the clones should have been on the opposing side.

It's still a pretty weak title though. I'd appreciate suggestions.

6FT Star Destroyer? Whoa!

You going to be borrowing this one or building it? I've seen some scratch built SDs around that size on the interwebz.

Thanks rcb! Care to elaborate? I'm open to criticism and even more open to compliments :)

It would be a lot easier doing a lot of the things i want to do if we had an isolated voice track available. As it is at the moment, cutting the dialogue messes with the music as they are usually together on the center audio channel.

That, along with my desire to add real model shots to replace much of the cgi (and having none of the expertise or resources to do so) are my main obstacles.

As well as the wooden acting and generally poor story :)

Two more clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTTG4Bbjf0

Here's another. Not long ago there were disagreements about whether Jar Jar was necessary in the Senate scene where his one vote gets Palpatine emergency powers. Here's my preferred take on that scene. No Jar Jar, and Palps doesn't say he's creating an army with his new powers, as in my edit (and any edit where the Jedi aren't completely retarded) the Clone army is already common knowledge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGTTG4Bbjf0

New (rough) video. It's been a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsJ0Dlx1hJM

Just donated. not much because my bank account is pretty dry at the moment, but hopefully every little helps.

Darth Chronus said:

It should have 'The entire inside is filled with cream' somewhere on the box.  :D

That's what he tells the ladies.

I'm not sure if I imagined this being mentioned before or not, but there might be some overhead footage of Fangorn forest in The Two Towers that could be used for some extended/redone Endor shots.

Also, if you want to give the Ewoks a more feasible 'edge' in the battle, how about some sentient tree-like creatures start joining in to kick some stormtrooper ass?

I prefer the "young skywalker" to the original "Luke" to be honest. Just seems more like something Palpatine would say, to me.

I wouldn't say it's constructive posting a picture where (as far as I can tell) all he's done is remove the rancor with a black paintbrush tool, and then calling it a "matte". Especially considering the quality of original mattes we've been getting from people like Venal.