brash_stryker

I don't know......I'm aware that Lucas' intention with this scene is for it to jump up and down shouting "LOOK, HE'S EVIL!" (which completely undermines Anakin as a good person and the dark side as a corrupting force) however, I don't think it necessarily comes across this way, especially in light of all the other cuts of Anakin being a dick.

The music goes quiet, yes, but it also picks up lightheartedly as soon as Anakin smiles and Padme realises he was just teasing her.

Don't get me wrong, I've always thought he's being serious too, but this interpretation has always been distorted by my already embittered opinion of the character from all other moments in the film.

My thoughts on it are that Anakin is genuinely joking...... teasing her as a politician just as Han teased Leia calling her "your worship". But nevertheless it still helps to foreshadow the rise of the Empire.

Here you go, TV's Frink. Just for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82FkCUFeVjc

Opinions? :)

Bingowings said:

I have no idea if it is possible but if after "I don't believe you" Dooku said something like "That is why you will lose" (which sounds like a classic bad guy line but in this context isn't).

Not only would it mirror Yoda's line to Luke in ESB it would also show how prescient Dooku is.

Ultimately the Jedi do lose because the Dark Lord is controlling the Senate and they are taking sides instead of investigating his claims.

I like the idea Bingo. Did you see SSWR's version of this scene? As Dooku leaves, he says "we will see" :)

TV's Frink said:

brash_stryker said:

3. I toyed with keeping the meadow scene. I did some cutting but just think it's too short now to keep in the final film.

My opinion (forgive me if I've said this before) - there is precious little believable interaction between Anakin and Padme, so saving anything that qualifies is of utmost importance.  The second half of the meadow scene (riding the ass animal) is awful and should never stay in any edit.  But the first half, the dialogue half, isn't too bad, and has some nice interaction between them.  Especially the last shot where Padme looks at Anakin with the first hint of interest.

Most editors have left most (if not all) of that first half in and I think it's important to do so.

Again, just my opinion.

I do take your point, however my biggest problem with the first half of that meadow scene is Padme talking about her ex boyfriend. It really makes me cringe, and she just appears to be using descriptive language more fitting for a 90s highschool romance movie. It takes you out of a galaxy far far away in just the same way as Owen referring to Beru as his "girlfriend".

This is why the way I've cut it omits all that, and instead starts on the long shot, but with Padme saying "you really don't like politicians do you?" It remains pretty unchanged from then on but I omit Anakin's "tease a senator" line and turned it into a straightforward "no no *snigger*". It ends with the shot you mention of Padme looking at Anakin with interest.

Would you think this is long enough? And also, if I was to keep it, I'm not sure where to put it. I think it would make sense to put it before the kiss.

SSWR had actually already found the soundbyte of Christopher Lee saying "why?" in Fellowship of the Ring. I just haven't ripped it from the DVD yet. I can't really take credit for that. I really needed a way to make Obi's hostility towards Dooku more founded and rational, and SSWR provided.

Angel, it's a shot where you see a doorway or some dark space to the left, (at 0:58) but the way I've cut it, you can't see the doorway in the next shot anymore. You should have a better eye for perspective than I do. I'll have to get you a screengrab when I'm next on my mac if you're interested.

What does everyone think of the direction change of Obi Wan's rotation at 0:22? This was in order to account for the flipped shots before. Unfortunately, the camera is moving slightly, so it makes the reversal a little more jarring than I'd like.

Also ignore the little hiccup at 1:35. I don't know what happened there. Something messed up when pasting the scene into a new sequence for a straightforward export.

I have a ROUGH clip of that scene uploading right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opslWlOgAbA

Now that I've had a look at my timeline I can remember some of the other things I've been working on.

1. The scene of Obi being given a tour by the Kaminoans. This has been reedited with a view to redubbing the Kaminoan Prime Minister. We do not see child clones and we only see the soldier clones from a distance.

2. Anakin and Padme on the refugee ship. I've cut a lot of Anakin's dialogue and the lingering glances between them in silence says so much more to the audience than the awful script ever could.

3. I toyed with keeping the meadow scene. I did some cutting but just think it's too short now to keep in the final film.

Can't remember anything else right now. I'm sure there's more. I've been back and forth through the film so many times it's hard to keep track.

Yeah it was a download link I meant. We seem to have got our wires crossed Ripplin :)

TV's Frink said:

brash_stryker said:

Off topic, but who was it that was uploading updated sound archives each time a new soundboard was released? I really can't wait for more PT boards to get released. Especially an Anakin one.

Probably fishmanlee.

Nah it wasn't. I can't for the life of me remember who it was though. Looks like I'll have to trawl through the thread again.

doubleofive said:

Me neither. I posted AT&T ringtones that actually have some good stuff in it, but it was it's own thread, lost to time.

Got a link to these, 005? Sounds interesting :)

EDIT: Found them now :)

Well I've done a lot of work on reordering the scene where we're introduced to Dooku. A lot of flipped shots and some reversing of the speed at certain points to account for continuity problems created by my cuts.

There are a lot of other things I've done, but it's hard to keep track.

Unfortunately I've been a little preoccupied with other things for the last few weeks, however I hope to get right back on it very soon.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Um just in case I missed a post...did you guys see they added Ewan to the soundboard? :

http://starwars.com/games/playnow/soundboards/#/?theme=43

Off topic, but who was it that was uploading updated sound archives each time a new soundboard was released? I really can't wait for more PT boards to get released. Especially an Anakin one.

JMacGill said:

I just recently found out about your work with Episode 4 thanks to an arstechnica article and it was amazing.  I can't wait for Episode 5 Revisited.  Are you an editor by trade?

As I recall, Ady has absolutely no editing background prior to ANH:R. He learnt everything from scratch when creating his edits. I remember when I first watched ANH:R with a friend, he was absolutely positive that he must be a pro editor - especially when it came to the reworked Battle of Yavin. :)

Looking forward to seeing this project back on track, Bob! :)

Maybe simply desaturating the markings would be a good compromise if you can't pull it off? Might help make the armour look more sterile/skeletal and more reminiscent of the ANH Stormtroopers.

It's possibly down to processor speed/graphics card. I know that my brand new Atom Netbook has the same issues with HD video.

No updates really. I keep intending to move onto the audio cleanup but am finding more and more to do along the way, so my previously "completed" rough cut is still a work in progress :)

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Nicholas J. Michalak just posted a clip from his AOTC edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6evtInZvVUg&feature=sub

Cutting from Anakin bringing the body back directly to the funeral (and skipping the awful "i murdered children" scene) is what I've done in my edit too. :)

SilverKey said:

I don't know if this has been discussed in depth before, but one of the things I've been thinking about a lot concerning AOTC is removing the mystery surrounding the clones subplot in AOTC. Removing it would make the Jedi a lot less stupid.

Not that I'm really working on an edit, but I've been gathering ideas left and right, and in my ideal AOTC edit, the existence of the clone army is common knowledge. The debate Padme returns to Coruscant for is whether or not to deploy it on Republic worlds. Problem is, by removing the "mystery", there really is no reason for Obi-Wan to visit Kamino.

So, how would it work to still have the tour around Kamino in the movie and get Obi-Wan on the Geonosis trail? I'd like to hear your ideas on this.

 

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Episode-II-The-Brash-Cut/topic/10541/

;)

Midichlorians only explains the equally stupid 'immaculate conception' aspect of Anakin's background, which any self respecting fan editor would remove along with it IMO.

You say it's of "fundamental importance", I ask "How?". It adds nothing to his character, and is simply a lame attempt by Lucas to make parallels between Anakin and Jesus, and try to make him more interesting.

EyeShotFirst said:

brash_stryker said:

I'm giving Dooku an orange saber in my AOTC edit :)

Finally. I have been pushing orange sabers for a few years, but nobody likes them.

My reason for it is it contrasts beautifully with the two blue sabers (I'm making both sabers Anakin takes him on with blue - was never a fan of the green and blue)

Anyway, back to Bob's edit :)

HAHA!

I'm giving Dooku an orange saber in my AOTC edit :)

So Bob, have you been at all tempted with your prequel edits to go the JasonN route and make Dooku a rogue Jedi? I really like what you've done with him as a straightforward sith (goading anakin into giving in to his anger) however I've always thought his character is really one dimensional as a bad guy.

Looking forward! :)

Lol I'm sorry, I thought this was the Ackbar/trap thread. Guess noone appreciates ackbar lookalike penises here :p