Well, Fish, in DC's post, the emphasis was on the Jedi Archives access, so it doesn't really matter if the "voting" part made little sense. The idea is still a valid one.
And if you want to get nitpicky, it's you're, not your.
A fairly radical idea that I just had: When Palps sends the order for 'Order 66', let's not have it received by "Commander Cody" or any clone on Utapau for that matter. Instead have it received by a suited officer on Coruscant (I've never liked the fact that SOME clones can advance to "commander" status - they're all identical and disposable!)
Obviously this would require some refilming of a costumed actor in front of a green screen, but as far as the ideas here go, it's a pretty simple one. Get an amateur actor who looks a bit like Peter Cushing and it can even be 'Commander' Tarkin's career defining move, and why he gained such favour with Palpatine and was able to talk to Vader the way he does - he was loyal to Palps and had this 'Order 66' in place long before Anakin turned.
If that's "the point" it's a stupid one. Sidious would never associate with a clone let alone address him by name.
A fairly radical idea: When he sends the hologram, let's not have it received by "Commander Cody" or any clone on Utapau for that matter. Instead have it received by a suited officer on Coruscant (I've never liked the fact that SOME clones can advance to "commander" status - they're all identical and disposable!)
Obviously this would require some refilming of a costumed actor in front of a green screen, but as far as the ideas here go, it's a pretty simple one. Get an amateur actor who looks a bit like Peter Cushing and it can even be 'Commander' Tarkin's career defining move, and why he gained such favour with Palpatine and was able to talk to Vader the way he does - he was loyal to Palps and had this 'Order 66' in place long before Anakin turned.
EDIT: Thought I was on the Radical Redux thread, but I'll leave the idea here just for people's interest. I'll also repost it over there.
SO. I can't wait for this edit! :-D
Doesn't work for me story-wise either, but it's so refreshing actually seeing a real armoured trooper in there!
Hi ravenholm. I'll PM you the links in a bit. I'm not currently on the computer where they're bookmarked :-)
Well at the moment I'm just gathering all the effects I can (helped along by a few members of this forum). The computer game sounds archive will take the longest as there are so many to sort through - a lot of duplicates to delete so that I'm only left with the superior versions.
I've not had a chance to work on anything in the last week as I've been working on my Mac guide to DVD editing.
brash_stryker said:
* Under Compression, Apple Prores 422 is what is recommended and there's apparently no benefit in going any higher in quality than that.
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Well I've been visiting these forums for years, back when I edited on a PC, and always found ADigitalMan's Guide to MPEG2/AC3 Editing to be indispensable.
But I began wondering recently, "where are all the Mac guides?"
So after researching tirelessly and hitting many brick walls where some useful programs no longer worked under Snow Leopard (mac3dec for example), I think I've finally come up with the most streamlined and flexible solution for going from DVD into your editing application.
This guide assumes you'll be using Final Cut for your editing. If not, you'll need to change what Audio/Video format you encode to based on what your editing software prefers.
For this tutorial you will need 2 programs:
MacTheRipper
and
Mpeg Streamclip
Got those downloaded and installed? Ok! Let's begin!
Step 1: Ripping the DVD to your Hard Drive
* Insert the DVD you want to work with.
* Open Mactheripper
* MacTheRipper should automatically detect the DVD in the drive. If not, drag the disc drive from your desktop into the MacTheRipper window
* Leave the UOPS button alone
* Leave 'New Region' set at 'ALL'
* Leave De-Macrovision TICKED.
* If Disc RCE displays 'DETECTED', select the region of your disc in the drop down options next to 'RCE Region'. If bought in the USA, select Region 1. If bought in the UK, select Region 2 etc
* If DISC RCE hasn't detected a region, leave it at 'OFF'
* Click FILE>SAVE TO and select your preferred save location.
* Click 'GO' and be patient. When Bomberman pops up to warn you about piracy, you're done!
Yes, really. Bomberman.
**Note** On certain films, the alternative language opening credits are embedded in the main feature's VOB and can mess up the film you have in your preview window in Mpeg Streamclip, and any subsequent encode. If you are having this problem in Mpeg Streamclip, just rip the main feature separately from the rest of the DVD by using the following instructions.
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Alternatively, if you only want to extract the main feature without the rest of the disc, we can do so directly with MacTheRipper:
* Insert your DVD
* Open Mactheripper
* As before. Mactheripper should automatically detect the DVD in the drive. if not, drag the drive (a DVD icon) from your desktop into the MacTheRipper window.
* It will take a minute to scan the disk. Once it's done, ensure the following:
* Leave the UOPS button alone
* Leave 'New Region' set at 'ALL'
* Leave De-Macrovision TICKED.
* If DISC RCE displays 'DETECTED', select the region of your disc in the drop down options next to 'RCE Region'. If bought in the USA, select Region 1. If bought in the UK, select Region 2 etc
* If DISC RCE hasn't detected a region, leave it at 'OFF'
* Click the 'MODE' tab button, then in the first drop down list, select 'Title Only Extraction'
* The drop down list below this is where you choose which video you want. If it's the main feature you're after, it will have (MF) after it.
* Ignore the 'D' button.
* Click FILE>SAVE TO and select your preferred save location.
* Press 'GO' and wait for Bomberman.
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Step 2: Encoding the Video Stream and separating the Audio Channels
* Open up Mpeg Streamclip
* Click FILE>Open FILE
* Navigate to the VIDEO_TS FOLDER extracted earlier and select a VOB. This takes some trial and error to find the movie you require unless you extracted a specific video in MacTheRipper. Press OK.
* If it asks if you'd like to open all the files of the stream together, click 'Open All Files'
* If it detects possible timecode breaks, press 'Fix Now' then when another prompt comes up, ensure that 'Do not skip any frame' is TICKED and click proceed.
* On this page your video can be previewed so you can tell if it's the correct one. Just press play or drag the slider to preview it. If it's not the correct video, repeat these steps with a different number VOB.
* You should now have the correct video in front of you and you can now trim it appropriately if you desire. If you want the whole thing, skip this step. If, however, you want only a small scene for your edit and don't want to have to encode the entire movie, find the point at which you want the video to start and click EDIT>SELECT IN (or keyboard shortcut 'I'). Then choose the point where you want your clip to end and click EDIT>SELECT OUT (or keyboard shortcut 'O'). You can move back and forth more accurately than with your mouse by using the arrow keys on your keyboard. *TIP* I prefer to give it a few seconds margin on either end just for peace of mind (I'm not sure if Mpeg Streamclip is frame-accurate, plus you're gonna be editing it anyway, right?)
* Now we're going to separate the audio from your selection into 6 separate AIFFs. Having these isolated audio tracks (or 'discrete elements') gives unparalleled audio flexibility when it comes to Fan-Editing.
* Underneath the video, you'll see a dropdown list with the heading 'Audio Mode'. Now what we're going to do is switch between the relevant channels one by one, each time exporting out a different audio channel.
* First of all, select 'L/R Ch.' then click FILE>EXPORT AUDIO. In the box that comes up, select the following options:
Format - AIFF
Channels - Stereo
Sample Rate - 48KHz
Bit Rate - Should be greyed out at 256 kbps
**Before you go any further, it is important that in naming these files, you include the kind of channel they are so that you're aware while you edit. So include the labeling 'L/R' in this file name, and name the others accordingly**
* Click 'OK', choose a suitable file name and location then click 'Save'.
* Repeat the same steps after selecting 'LS/RS Ch.'
* Repeat the same steps for 'Center Ch.' however select 'Mono' rather than 'Stereo'
* Repeat the same steps for 'LFE Ch.' again selecting 'Mono'
Now we have 4 files. One for the Center Channel, one for Low Frequency Effects, one stereo file for Left and Right, and another Stereo file for Rear left and Right. The stereo files can be unlinked to Mono in Final Cut if desired or needed.
* Now for the video. Click FILE>EXPORT TO QUICKTIME
* Under Compression, choose 'Apple Prores 422'. It is what is recommended for importing DVD footage into Final Cut and there's apparently no benefit in going any higher in quality than that. If you absolutely insist, there's 'Prores 422 (HQ)'
Prores 4444 is higher again in quality but this isn't really discernible to the naked eye and certainly wouldn't make a difference when working with DVD resolutions. It's only really useful if you're doing effects work as it has its own alpha channel. Personally I've found it to be more trouble than it's worth as it has randomly gamma shifted my footage in the past, resulting in washed out colours.
*NOTE* 'Final Cut Express' users will have to settle for 'Apple DVCPRO50 - PAL' or 'Apple DVCPRO50 - NTSC' depending on where the DVD was purchased.
* After choosing the desired compression setting, move the quality slider to 100%
* Under 'Sound' select 'No Sound'.
* Under 'Frame Size' select the option that ends with '(unscaled)'. The dimensions will differ by region.
* Leave everything else as is and click 'Make Movie'
* Choose a location to save your file (I recommend the same folder as your AIFFs) and then click 'Save'.
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU'RE DONE! The resulting movie, along with the AIFFs can now be imported into Final Cut with ease, where the 6 discrete channels can make some ingenious things possible.
- Brash
Thanks Vidi, will be downloading now. It's really appreciated! :-)
But opinions can be qualified and discussed the same as anything else, surely. Anything that's discussed is subjective. If everything was objective, these forums would just be full of people agreeing with eachother. How horrible would that be? :-p
Lord Grievous said:
I never said he doesn't smile, I also never said that the smile looks fake, I merely said that I think he shouldn't smile in that particular scene.
Well it's in the original. Surely that's the ultimate qualifier for it to belong when this is an edit that makes things more faithful to the original.
Lord Grievous said:
This isn't open for discussion
Really? I could've sworn this was a FORUM ;-)
I can understand that, however everyone knows fanedit.org and fanedit.info. :p
My archive would have to be hosted elsewhere.
Well I can certainly remove the links, but what is the alternative in that case? Would seem a bit silly creating a pif chain just for some sounds....
I'll take the links down.
Vidi said:
I'll put those SWG sounds together over the weekend. There are over 7500 of them so it'll take a while. I'll make a writeup to accompany it to explain what some of the file names mean.
That'd be a great help! It's much appreciated.
shanerjedi said:
Bingowings said:
A great idea. nice mockup but whoever attempts this will have to prepared to have the sequence picked over at the sub-atomic level.
Bingo, uuh, I think Sidious' cloak looks a little wrinkly laying on his shoulder. Could you smooth that out a bit? :p
Bingo didn't make the picture. He just pasted it for everyone to see as the creator had just posted it as a link.
EDIT: OH! IT WAS A JOKE. Ignore me, I'm tired.
Was encouraged to post these ideas from the Prequel Radical Redux thread, just in case you missed them:
Bingowings said:
"Wipe them out, of of them" is one of the few good lines in TPM but it seems a bit too good to be used in the context of the Gungans Vs The Droids.
What about shifting it to killing the Jedi in ROTS instead?
Mithrandir said:
Well bingo, I always found it weird that Palpatine knows the names of his commanders, or that he calls Cody in particular... but "Commander(s), the time has come...wipe them out" would fit that moment of the Emperor's character.
brash_stryker said:
Love that idea, Bingo. Also Mithrandir, you're spot on that palps wouldn't address a soldier (let alone a clone) by name.
You could even use the "commander" from ROTJ from the line "fire at will, commander". The inflection of it makes it sound like a question when it's isolated from the rest of the sentence.
e.g.
"Commander?"
"Yes, my lord"
"The time has come. Wipe them out. All of them."*Montage*
I do love the brainstorming on these forums :-)
Oooh! Sick burn!
People wouldn't notice the staticness if they hadn't been told about it.
Likewise, people are only noticing the motion you added (to placate the whiners) after you tell them about it!
If people don't notice these things, this proves to me that the scene is pretty seamless as it is.
The only problem I've had with it (which I've already mentioned) is something I observed that wasn't told to us prior to the video (as far as I know) which is an indicator that it actually stands out. The problem was created due to how Ady has had to reedit the scene it and is probably not fixable due to the background showing through, so I can accept that :-)
Well I've found something fairly interesting on a forum. Someone sharing a small selection of sounds that have supposedly come direct from Ben Burtt. He seemed quite vehement that Burtt had sent him these personally, and that people should keep it "on the down low" just in case of any backlash (though Burtt didn't personally suggest there might be such issues)
Another member pointed out that some of the files had exactly the same amount of used sounds as the corresponding archive on the official soundboards, and also exactly the same order. He also pointed out that some of the sounds are the same that can be ripped from various computer games.
Regardless of this, the guy is adamant they're from Ben Burtt
I'm a bit skeptical, however some of these sounds I don't recall hearing anywhere else before. But I could be wrong! I'm just wondering should I upload it on its own, or as part of a themed archive
Well the soundboards started as the mp3s rippable off the website which is unfortunately the best we have so far (I'm no audiophile though. They sound totally fine to me).
The sounds from the book were recorded with a male to male audio cable, one end in the sound module, the other in the 'line-in' jack of my mac. So that's as raw as you're gonna get without opening up the module, working out what kind of flash memory it uses and doing some hacking/soldering. And even then, it might not be a standard audio format, but something specific for the hardware.
The reason I've suggested 48khz 24 bit is that it's apparently preferred for a Final Cut Pro project (and one can assume in other programs too). It accepts 44.1khz, 16 bit of course, so I don't know what the benefits are in practice.
Love that idea, Bingo. Also Mithrandir, you're spot on that palps wouldn't address a soldier (let alone a clone) by name.
You could even use the "commander" from ROTJ from the line "fire at will, commander". The inflection of it makes it sound like a question when it's isolated from the rest of the sentence.
e.g.
"Commander?"
"Yes, my lord"
"The time has come. Wipe them out. All of them."
*Montage*
I've just downloaded the latest version. Is it just me, or does it look like the whole hologram moves lower as the smile goes back down? Is this actually happening or an illusion caused by how Ady had to manipulate the mouth, and therefore the hologram effect?
Also I'm assuming the audio is only temporary. It seems perfectly in sync except for "...of Skywalker must not become a Jedi" where the mouth seems slightly ahead of the dialogue.
Seeing it in higher quality, it's just beautiful though :-)
gavin77 said:
I have to say I like the look of the 2004 emperor much better for some reason. Nice work though Ad.
But it looked nothing like the Emperor when we see him in the next film!
Just watching it again made me wonder, how the HELL you managed to do the background music, Ady. I mean, you cut up the convo to eliminate the 2004 additions, which I presume also had the music on the same channel. I'm not aware of any sound mix that's kept the dialogue and music seperated. So how on earth did you make the music so seamless?
It's really stumped me.
