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I still think Yoda having one at all is ridiculous, but this has been argued to death already.

darklordoftech said:

Make Mace Windu's saber blue and Yoda's purple. That way Yoda is the one with the unique saber.

Even if you'd consider Yoda having a saber at all (ew ew ewwwwwwwww) why should anybody's be unique?

Anyway, to make it clearer where I'm at currently; I've now sorted almost all my sounds into the relevant folders. The Narrowing down is definitely the biggest hurdle to overcome as there are so many of the same sounds across different sources with varying quality, but once they were all properly categorised it doesn't look quite so daunting anymore.

I still have some gems I keep finding (for instance, last night I went into the files for 'Episode 1 Racer' just looking for the sound of Watto humming the Cantina theme and found a whole bunch of Watto dialogue not seen in the films.

Thankfully 90% of my sounds are already in WAV format, so not that many need to be converted.

I'll be releasing this as Version 1.0 due to the fact the Official Soundboards are updated every once in a while plus there's the possibility that I'll keep finding stuff.

Oh and I refuse to include the dialogue of 'Ziro The Hutt' on principle. If anyone wants his dialogue they can get it themselves :p

TV's Frink said:

*raises hand*

Oh, me me me me me!

I will gladly use your real name in my credits going forward since you prefer that.

Being a stickler for consistency, I'd lean towards keeping it as it is in your future edits. I think my OCD would explode otherwise. ;)

Kexikus said:

I know that there are several KotOR 1 & 2 movies on youtube and from what I've heard some of them are really good.

The only one I've seen is the one by ABDirector:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1VALpXHkak&list=PL32742A4800C49C96

It's really well done but sadly far from being finished.

There's also a The Fore Unleashed movie on Youtube. Just search for The Force Unleashed movie and you'll find it, but I don't think it's worth watching as it's basically the cut scenes with uncut ingame footage inbetween...

The best known one is by Kevin Sokal: http://www.youtube.com/user/kevinsocal2k6

He's onto the 3rd in his trilogy now. I've been following it mainly because I've actually been working on my own KOTOR edit off and on for the last 4 or 5 years!

There are 2 areas where his edit falls flat - no lip movements for the protagonist (unlike ABDirector's which does a far better job despite being less known) and too many characters! Having said that, a lot of his editing choices are just inspired!

The problem with every attempt I've seen at a KOTOR adaptation is that they want to make a direct and unaltered translation of the game, keeping the exact story and every character. A mission which is essentially "Collect 4 parts of a puzzle to find the bad guy's base" reeks of a Video Game to me. Also, having 9 companion characters for the protagonist may work in an open-ended RPG, but it certainly doesn't in film! There's not enough focus and less opportunities for character development. 

My edit doesn't fall into these traps, which unfortunately has made it harder to finish. Lip syncing and voicing the main character (who is previously mute) is also a nightmare!

KOTOR is the only Star Wars game I've ever given a shit about having adapted to film. The Force Unleashed and its sequel were pretty one dimensional and boring from a story perspective. I've never understood the praise for KOTOR 2 as the story just sucks (not to mention the game was released unfinished with no real ending to the story). Bafflingly, there seem to be more attempted edits of KOTOR2 than there are for KOTOR.

If the Prequels had even half the story and heart that KOTOR has, then I'd have been very happy.

It was difficult keeping quiet about it, but I'm at a stage now where I'm gearing up for a preliminary release. I've updated my first post.

Why the hell do we need things like that to 'unify' the two films? They're already unified. They're 2 of a TRILOGY.

It's not like there's a visual style difference like there is between the PT and OT. It's a shot with a friggin Star Destroyer in it. How much more familiar can you get?!

Christ.

Darth Solo said:

Peeeps are-staring to get a little restless Mater-Ady. Despite...

 It really annoys me when people don't finish their

In all seriousness, sonofjones, I'd personally react with "argh" for both pain and shock (which is what these two instances appear to be combinations of, though it's possible there's no pain involved in either). Or alternatively I don't react at all because i'm just that badass.

Everyone is different. 

Some people might go "Shiiiiiiiiiiit" as they fall and "owwww" as they're hit in the face with steam. 

I still don't see it's as obvious as you apparently think it is which noise should accompany which action. Both seem appropriate and as far as i'm concerned could be interchangeable.

Why don't you go stumble off a ledge and let us know?

sonofjones said:

okay, to those who are dismissing people's suggestion's as "nitpicking" and saying they're making problems where none exist, let me ask this: was there any problem with not having AT-STs in Battle of Hoth apart from the one? Was there anything wrong with the background mattes of Cloud city and Hoth? Is it not nitpicking to point out that you can briefly see part of the arm for the guy controlling the wampa? Does it really matter that the shirt Han is wearing in the carbonite doesn't match the one he wore as he was being lowered down? Did ESB not go on to be considered one of the most classic films ever as it was presented in 1980?

If everyone is so concerned with preserving the film as it is, then why even bother supporting this edit? If you think the edit is better off with or without a certain change is one thing, but to act like someone is just being nitpicky by making a minor change to one scene is not only hypocritical, but it flies in the face of everything this edit is about. The idea behind Revisited is to present Star Wars in the best possible experience, with the idea that no detail is too small or irrelevant to be considered.

The main examples you give WERE things that NEEDED fixing. The 1 AT-ST already there was at a height that would have been impossible, therefore it was either cut the AT-ST entirely or insert them elsewhere. The cloud city matte causes a continuity error I believe - either that or it was reused from elsewhere. The wampa arm - self explanatory. There is a REASON to fix that as it is clearly an error. Same goes for Han's shirt.

The Vader noise is not an error. It was a dialogue/sound effect choice that has always been there. It doesn't contradict any other elements or undermine any character moments. Therefore the examples you mention aren't comparable. They needed fixing. This was an artistic choice that works fine as it is.

Talk about a Strawman argument....

MrInsaneA said:

I would be so pissed if the "ARGH" was removed. Stop making up problems where they don't exist

This. This thread is getting so silly now. It's only a matter of time before people demand green lasers for the AT-ATs again.

sonofjones said:

I am astounded you can accuse me of ridiculing someone else's opinion (which I WASN'T doing btw) when you turn around and call my idea stupid just because it is, without even bothering to actually address what it is i'm saying. Once again, you're being condescending, rude and just plain mean without any call for it. If you don't agree with me, fine, again to each his own, but that dosen't give you the license to be a jerk.

I've already qualified my opinion several times before explicitly calling your idea stupid - which is more than can be said for you with your "clearly he's meant to be named, but the movie just forgot" defence.

sonofjones said:

 Okay first of all, way to completely take a quote out of context. I'd ask you to remember that i was simply saying that's what OTHER people had said he could've been. Second, the whole point is that it's a useless comparison. 

You seem to have missed the point again. I was merely pointing out that the comparison you drew to ridicule someone else's comparison was not comparable with their comparison at all. If that makes sense......

sonofjones said:

Also, in response to the whole "real life" thing, in real life people don't use the force to gain inner wisdom, or have droids get them out of trash compactors they fell into while trying to rescue a princess. These are movies. And if that's such a concern, have Han say it with obvious fear in his voice, like Fett's the last person he would want to see, because he knows the type of stuff he's done. Lastly, ANW did this very type of thing twice. Leia introduced Darth Vader and Tarkin this way, should we cut out those?

 Or not have him say it at all, as your idea is stupid and whether you keep trying to justify its inclusion, it's still unnecessary. It adds nothing - as many of us keep pointing out.......

I'm not going to address how your arguments in each new post continue to make less sense, because it just leads to more nonsensical non-points from you. Who cares if people can't use the force in real life (duhhhh!) I'm merely pointing out how realistic characters act within their OWN universe.

Your idea is stupid. That should be enough.

sonofjones said:

Darth Maul could've been the Darth Vader of the PT had he not been killed off so early)

Darth Vader was a developed character with an arc. 
Darth Maul was a throwaway villain with no personality and as you say, he dies before anything compelling could come of him.

So it's a pretty useless comparison to draw if it hinges on a hypothetical "If they'd done it differently" scenario. Just saying. 

sonofjones said:

To all the people who are insisting Boba Fett was never meant to be named, one of the deleted scenes from ESB was Luke being tended to by Leia and her referring to  Boba Fett by name, a scene that was more likely cut because it interrupted the flow of action in the finale than because it named this apparently nameless bounty hunter that every one on this site knows by name, and yet insists that he's supposed to be nameless. This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. No, it dosen't matter what the name of some extra who only has one scene and does one thing is, but it does matter when a guy who is named in literally every single appereance of his, every time he's mentioned, except ESB. That's like trying to make Darth Maul nameless when everyone knows his name already, it's just pointless. Even when the Man with No Name IS named in the movies he appears in, everyone still just calls him the man with no name. The truth couldn't be more opposite with Boba Fett; the movie neglects to name him, and yet everyone knows who he is. The fact that they didn't name him feels more like a hiccup than an intentional story decision.

If you believe he's better off being nameless, then that's fine, to each his own. However, all I did was make one little suggestion which i thought would improve the edit (which as i understand is one of the main functions of this forum to begin with), and some have chosen to just be condescending and rude, which was entirely uncalled for. To those who would rather be condescending and rude, i ask you to remember one of the main goals of the revisited saga is to create an experience everyone can enjoy, not just the die hard fans.

Even if this deleted scene existed, it's irrelevant as it's DELETED. It was not in the final film and it's better for it. He hasn't needed to be named for over 3 decades. Why the hell would he need to be now? It adds nothing.

As for your comment about die hard fans, it's laughable that you think this is purely fanboy opinion. I couldn't give a damn about Boba Fett one way or the other. He serves his purpose and then goes away. He doesn't need a name to do that.

Yes we know his name - due to merchandising and books. That doesn't mean he needs to be named in the film. 

sonofjones said:

This is my issue, he's obviously supposed to have a name, but the movie simply forgot to say it. 

Again, you assert this "obvious" fact, without qualifying it with any evidence. If the movie was "supposed" to have him referenced by name, why didn't it?

sonofjones said:

Bingowings said:

Boba Fett is more menacing and cool unnamed just ask Clint Eastwood. 

I honestly don't find that a valid argument, that's like saying "Darth Maul was a cool villain just ask James Earl Jones"

 Eh? That makes zero sense. A comparision can at least be drawn between Fett and Eastwood (essentially a space cowboy with no name). 

What's the connection between James Earl Jones and Maul? I think you're confused.

Ryan McAvoy said:

sonofjones said:

Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"

Bib Fortuna probably has more screentime than Fett but he's never named. The Emperor is never named as Palpatine in the OT. Leia is never refered to as Organa anywhere. Lobot is probably also on screen in ESB as much as Fett without needing a name. Oh and the biggst one, is this random guy...

^ He was in the very first crucial scene in ROTJ (And many others) and because he wasn't named I found the rest of the movie made no sense... even after a hundreds views... Joking ;-)

Not leaving the PT out so just who where these dudes? I only know them as "that person that does that thing"...

This character is in all 3 PT films and I don't know anything about him?

This alien fellow is all over TPM and has numerous lines but I'm none the wiser,

and who the flamin' 'eck was this notorious rogue...

plus this ship was pretty iconic to a lot of kids in 1977...

...but they didn't know what to call it to their friends in the playground until 3 years later at the very end of ESB when a (Nameless) Imperial guy mentions it.

So in conclusion I don't think it's needed, consistent, or desireable to name Boba Fett in ESB:R.

I KNEW there were better examples than what I gave but I drew a blank. Good job :) 

sonofjones said:

No those other guys don't have to be named because they have nothing to do with the plot. Fett, on the other hand, is the guy who hunts down the Millennium Falcon, takes Han away to Jabba the Hutt, and is thus resposnible for setting up the beginning of the next movie, which starts off assuming we all know his name even though they don't so much as mention it in passing throughout the entirety of ESB. He's not just significant to fans (heck I honestly am not even a fan of the character myself), he's significant to the story of ESB. Even if you REALLY wanna have it to where we don't even know his name, we should at least have something to call him. Name one other major character in the entire saga who is simply known as "that person that does that thing"

What the hell are you talking about? By that incredibly flawed logic, any character who advances the story should be named. 

He is a tertiary character. Just because he's significant (for catching Solo - you know, his JOB as a Bounty Hunter) you think there needs to be a naming scene? Why? What does it add to the plot? If you want to justify it with internal logic, the fact he's a BOUNTY HUNTER, is a reason why anonymity might come in handy, seeing as he's probably skirting the law quite regularly to get stuff done. 

Furthermore, in real life, people are not introduced by name in such a contrived way. If I need help finding groceries and someone helps me, he doesn't say "I was glad to help you. MY NAME IS BOB FETMAN". Nor would I ask him his name either. It just isn't realistic.

It would only be relevant if the film established some long running vendetta between Fett and Solo and Solo then mentions it in natural conversation, like when he mentions Jabba the Hutt for the first time despite us not actually seeing him until ROTJ. A prior antagonistic relationship is NOT established though so therefore why would we need him to say the guy's name? He might not even know who he is! We, the audience, don't know. That's the beauty of it!

But you don't seem concerned with internal logic. Regardless of what you say, you seem to want him named because he's significant to the AUDIENCE. That's stupid.

What about the Death Star operator who fired the laser in ANH? I think he had a pretty huge bearing on how the plot advanced. What should we call him? Preston McButton?

Or how about the Ewoks. They were instrumental in the Rebels' victory on Endor, yet their entire RACE isn't even named. 

This is exactly the kind of "explain everything to the audience" crap that made the prequels so pathetic. "I'm Owen Lars. This is my girlfriend, Beru."

sonofjones said:

Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. 

Says who?

He's just a Bounty Hunter. Why should we need to know his name? Are the names of Bossk, Dengar, 4-LOM or Zuckuss said in the film? No? Then I don't see your point.

Just because he's popular WITH US doesn't mean he should be significant enough to be named within the universe he inhabits.

Your assumption makes no sense whatsoever.

I'd even go so far as to say that the practically indiscernible (without already knowing what we're listening for) "Boba Fett? Boba Fett? Where?" should be removed from ROTJ:R. I can't help but think it was put in there because the action figure had been given a name and Lucas thought it would help sell more of them.

Isn't that the 2006 DVD with the shoddy Laserdisc transfer as a bonus disk? I.E. the GOUT.....

EDIT: Yes it is.....The 1997 SE has never been released beyond VHS

Ronster said:

1997 DVD 

Huh?

Neither Ady or his team have the funds for that level of SFX, so it's a moot point. Ady confirmed himself on the Facebook page that he could never afford anything of the sort. There's no use discussing it further unless one of you is an eccentric millionaire with their own pyrotechnics yard.

In which case, I'm both in awe and a bit scared.

VFX can work really well, with the bonus that you have more control over it.

Skip to 2:04 in the following video and you can see a digital effects breakdown of CG fire. Yes it's green fire in this one, but the principle is the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVitvEvOrsE

Lemonstein said:

You're not asking for permission to use the other 99% of what you're using, so why bother with this?

Because using Empire itself, being the whole point of the project afterall, is a given. 

Stealing elements from other people's work on the other hand isn't really right.

Ronster said:

Steady Rogue three audio edit.

http://www.mediafire.com/listen/6xjhc1d07d5ck34/steady%2520rogue%2520three%2520pitch.mp3

Lowered the pitch of the "three" down by 0.53 in Audacity it obviously screws with the music pitch also but It might make the tone of the voice a bit better?

I think the actual line in the clip is very close to being all the way there but I think a pitch down slightly would help the "three" audio sample fit more smoothly with the previous voice sample.

Ady hasn't got to the audio stage yet. All this scrutiny is about something he has only done a cut and paste edit on.

He must be busy getting Sir Christopher Lee to film this new footage. Be patient! True art has no deadline.