brash_stryker

Lord Haseo said:

oh_riginal said:

I always assumed that the Star Destroyer couldn't detect the location of the Falcon simply because it was in a sweet spot where it could be parked ON the much larger ship, making it appear that the Falcon is just another piece of a huge mass on their radars or sensors, or whatever they were using. Not to mention they were in a nice spot where no naked eyes inside the ship could see them hiding there.

I feel it doesn't need to be any further complicated than that. After all, we've all understood that scene without confusion since 1980, or whenever we first saw the movie.

 The Falcon has a cloaking device. 

 "No ship that small has a cloaking device".

I think that's a horrible idea. I think Fett had it all planned out methodically ahead of time. If you have him contemplating firing at the Falcon it just makes him impulsive.

If you have a look at the official Facebook page or swrevisited.WordPress.com there are plenty of progress updates there.

I've always incorrectly called any piece of music a "song" even if there are no vocals. Think it might be a Welsh thing in my case.

I'm first language Welsh and as far as I'm aware, the word for song is the same as the word for any piece of music. "Can" singular or "Caneuon" plural.

Seems a bit long winded to say "Darn o gerddoriaeth" ("A piece of music")

I don't suppose we'd get away with 'The Lost World' :p

Or Darth Malak from Kotor could redub "Grievous"/Rebuilt Maul

http://youtu.be/v6aY0mz5m-4

solo21 said:

I'd love to get even a 0.9 release sooner rather than later - really looking forward to this.

Any ETA (a dangerous thing in this forum I know!).?

I've learnt from previous mistakes not to commit to any sort of deadline anymore. I'd HOPE that it'll be released this year, but for every new bunch of sounds I find, the more converting/sorting there is to do. I have quite a backlog now and still more games to dive into the voice files of.

Other than the clean voice files available for the OT, most of the voice component of my archive is tailored for PT use anyway. Editors seem less inclined to do such drastic changes as redubbing when it comes to the OT.

Hey guys. I'm not dead - not yet. I've been gearing up to releasing this thing but I keep finding more and more stuff to add. Some of it is pure gold.

To address Bingowings' post, I've grappled with the idea of putting non-Star Wars dialogue in my archive, and I've come to the conclusion that there's just too much of it in the world to gather and sort through. The resources you could draw from either for generic voices or "alien" voices are literally endless, and if I started including them I'd feel like the archive would be permanently on half.

Obviously, this doesn't apply to alternative dialogue for a particular actor. I've got lots of clean Christopher Lee dialogue for instance that isn't from anything Star Wars related. It could be VERY handy and there are some real gems in there.

I'm not even sure if I should include the numerous voices from the Star Wars games. Yes, the voices often discuss lots of in-universe stuff, but if you're re-dubbing a background character whose lips aren't even in frame, do you really need to redub them at all? The only voices I can see being useful in this regard are those of masked villains (to redub Grievous and the like).

Having said this, some of them may be useful for comlink chatter I suppose.

There are also some impersonators of our principal characters from the games. Again, I'm not sure if there's any benefit to including these as they aren't useful for redubs as it's not the correct dialogue, nor are they useful for cutaways as they aren't very good impersonations.

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts.

Synnöve said:

Couple observations:

How would the dust stirred up from the laser bolts be done in the early 80s? Seeing those takes me out of the experience a bit as they would've been very difficult to create back then.

There are a lot more added effects than this which would have also been impossible in 1980. I think you're confusing this with a preservation.

To clarify, this is Ady's version of the 'Special Edition'. Meaning updated effects and error corrections.

It's worth noting that a lot of the Facebook people thought the Tie impacts in the previous clip were too slow. I think what's going on here is that because the audio isn't final and the sound of the explosion occurs slightly before we see it happen it's making people think the Tie movement is too slow, when in reality the audio is just marginally too early.

euroherbal said:

Fantastic, Ady!!! But IMHO, I like how the TIEs impacted on the walls on the previous version, with more frames. The "split up" movement now seems too fast for the flowing movement of the TIEs, it was smoother before and it worked really nice :)

 Completely agree. A bit too much like a pinball machine now. I would say to try something in between, but there are so few frames difference that might be impossible.

It's got pretty quiet around here......

So.....what if Ady is somehow able to scrap the final battle with Obi and have Anakin "die" in some other way. Whatever way this is it would have to lead to a behind-the-scenes armour swap and we'd have to be already familiar with A "Darth Vader" so we don't suddenly think "who's this new guy?......wait a minute......"

I'm really not a fan of keeping Anakin falling to the dark side and then "dying". I think it should be a surprise for the viewer that this guy from the prequels could have EVER turned evil, let alone that he's still alive and is Darth Vader. I know that in eliminating the lava duel, there's no explanation for his burn scars in ROTJ, but I guess that could be explained in the new manner in which he "dies".

Here is my new favourite idea. Kinda similar to my last one but the setting has changed and we have more existing footage to work with. Replace Obi Wan on Mustafar. Somehow have Anakin (still good) fight Vader instead. (Under the armour, he would be a rebuilt Maul, and it would be made clear in whatever episode Obi fights him that he is Obi Wan's old failed apprentice). This actually covers everything. We have Anakin already telling Padme that Palpatine is sending him on an important mission. What if it's to kill Vader on Mustafar?

After fighting a while, with Anakin clearly in a rage (already got that) both tumble off the edge of a lava flow and that's the last we see of them until we see Vader walking around as normal back on Coruscant and we " realise" it's Anakin that apparently died. We then already have footage of Obi Wan on Mustafar picking up Anakin's saber. He could look down at a burnt corpse. What the audience would think is that Obi is mourning his friend. What he would actually be doing is lamenting that Anakin has replaced Vader. It is not Anakin's body but that of his old apprentice.

No need for padme to come anywhere near Mustafar anymore or get choked. She can just have her babies and be understandably heartbroken.

The imagery of Vader wreathed in flame and smoke, fighting Anakin is pretty threatening and exciting to me on a purely visual level but also when you compare it to a phoenix being reborn from the ashes, it's doubly effective. Let's get some meaningful metaphors into these mindless films!

Obi's apprentice betraying the jedi and "murdering" Anakin - check

Anakin a good person - check

Anakin burned - check

Obi picks up his lightsaber - check

Obi knows he's replaced vader but the audience doesn't - check

Please feel free to point out any loose ends.

I've given my own different ideas previously about how the "death" and subsequent unseen swap should take place. I'm interested in what other people might have in mind.

See, this is why I hate The EU. It's admirable to create a rich back story for the novels of course, but so often it undermines the logic of the film and also the moral of the story as it does in this case - which is that the underdog facing overwhelming odds can achieve anything if their cause is just. You have the technological Empire with disposable ships and men, and you have the Rebels where everything is at stake and it's all about the skills and belief of individual men. The fact Luke wins the day through religion when the Empire has none is no coincidence either. Whilst it would still be no doubt overwhelming odds with experimental advanced ships, the concept still diminishes any victories in my opinion.

I don't really know how many more times Ady can say the audio track is temporary.....

And yes, i'm aware you say this is an issue in the original as well, but it's probably best to hold on to these comments until he's at that stage. There's a whole movie of audio and he's not going to want to trawl back through the entire thread for people's audio fixes for specific clips. Just saying.

I personally find the node based programs like Nuke and the old Apple 'Shake' really difficult to fathom. Not that I can use even After Effects mind you, but I understand it in principle.

It's obvious to me now why he just doesn't get it. kk650 is kenkraly's sock! The name fits!

Moth3r, I thought socks had been banned? Though I can possibly understand how the odd one might slip through undetected. My washing machine has been responsible for many the rogue sock in its time.....

kk650 said:

brash_stryker said:

kk650 said:

GL agrees with me, hence the cropping, we agree to disagree, there's not much left to be said.

So would JarJar Binks. What's your point? The fact you're using such logic on THIS FORUM of all places carries no weight at all. This forum only exists because of George's misguided choices.

What you've said here has exactly proven my point. Essentially what you're saying is because GL agrees, you disagree, without weighing the merit of the change he's made. I know for a fact that there are others on this forum that are able to see beyong this viewpoint but I suspect that many will not be able to be found here in this thread, where every change is treated is sceptisism at best and disdain at worst.

Just because this forum was formed in response to GL and his SE changes doesn't mean that we can't move beyond seeing things so black and white, whatever changes GL does is wrong, how it originally was is right etc. etc.  I want to believe that people here are openminded enough to move beyond that frame of mind and give him credit for some of the changes which are improvements IMHO.

Now THAT is a strawman argument if I ever saw one. You have  taken my stance on his many misguided choices and made out I think everything he does is automatically wrong.  Just because I stated I disagree with SOME misguided choices. I think I made that perfectly clear, but you chose to bastardise what I said to support your own points. Classic straw man. Maybe you need to look up what a Straw man is, as despite accusing Ady earlier it's you doing it.

I liked a lot of SE changes. Why then, would I like Revisited if I didn't? My point was that for you to consider your argument won because GL "agrees" with you doesn't mean anything. Your point should stand on its own merit without bringing GL into it - which also makes you a hypocrite as you JUST said something similar to me!

And now you're not addressing people's previous points on why you're wrong and are just using the above manipulative tactics as a distraction. Poor form.

kk650 said:

GL agrees with me, hence the cropping, we agree to disagree, there's not much left to be said.

So would JarJar Binks. What's your point? The fact you're using such logic on THIS FORUM of all places carries no weight at all. This forum only exists because of George's misguided choices. Not that I'm saying this framing issues is a misguided choice. Ultimately it's moot to me as it's barely any different. 

To imply that Ady is being egotistical and pigheaded though, despite it being you that isn't taking FACTS on board, is the pot calling the kettle black. 

Ady has backed up his own opinion with facts and what he has said is right there in the screenshot for your own eyes to see. Yet you keep parroting on that everyone else is wrong and we're all just unwilling to accept change.

Edit: and stop harping on about that screenshot. He didn't post it to prove his point. He posted it because he thought YOU had made a mistake in mistaking one curve for another. He was being informative.

There is more than enough info in the shot from the front to disprove everything you say. Ady is not claiming his opinions are facts. He is claiming facts are facts. His opinions are backed up by said facts and yours aren't. Simple.

kk650 said:

I'm afraid i'm going to have to agree to disagree about the curved frame of the window being more visible in the ANH shot, to my eyes it is clearly more visible on the uncropped ESB shot, hence why I believe the cropped framing is better. The breaking the fourth wall argument is in MY OPINION very much valid and you thinking that it is invalid is YOUR OPINION, not absolute fact like you seem to believe from your statement.

Your work on Star Wars Revisited was well done but you might want to reign in the ego a touch and show a little more respect for the opinions of others, your opinion is worth no more than anybody elses.

 I don't think it's the case of it being an ego at all, but your argument actually being invalid with regard to the curved edge of the window frame. *I* can certainly see slightly more of the curve in ANH shot just like Ady said. You assert that you can "clearly" see more of it in the uncropped ESB shot. As far as I'm concerned that's not the case as I'm looking at it right now.

Your opinion on which is better is fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Ady was just pointing out that the logic you're using to justify you preference doesn't seem to be reflected in the actual image.

If he seemed impatient, remember that he's probably spent more time looking at that shot than you have eating cooked dinners. It's probably just frustration. :)

People only see a difference with crampedness when comparing cropped with uncropped. This notion that ESB has ALWAYS looked like the camera is shooting from outside the ship, baffles me. As far as I'm aware, you don't see anything in frame that indicates there ought to be the window "spokes" in frame too, therefore our view is certainly inside the glass (or transparisteel).

The only way that might not work for you is if you fixate on a bulky videocamera not fitting inside the window, and in that case, YOU'RE the one breaking the fourth wall by even thinking about equipment and film crew being present, rather than just getting caught up in the fantasy. In fiction, we are disembodied spectators.

There's also the fact that if he's using some version of the OUT for reference, then matching that on the same monitor will mean it ends up correct anyway.

I mean, even if they're both showing up wrong on a particular monitor, if it's being made to match then it doesn't matter as you already know the OUT is correct, so the edit will also be correct on a properly calibrated monitor.

....if that makes any sense.

As someone who's battled with fixing the prequels in my own edits, I can see where the cynicism comes from. They are improveable (mainly by making them shorter and cutting lots of the crap) but they are not fixable just by trimming a scene here, changing the order there, etc.

But we already know that Adywan's versions are not going to be straightforward re-edits. We have no idea how ambitious his Prequels will be, but from the snippets we've actually been told, it's going to be a complete deconstruction and then reconstruction to make a coherent story where there wasn't one before.

There is bound to be redubbing. I simply can't see any other way around the shitty dialogue and character motivations in the prequels. It's unsalvageable. At least a couple of characters need to be given new lines in cutaways so redubbing with new voice acting talent would be the only way to go.

We already know he's filming new footage with existing characters. (Threepio and maybe others, who knows?)

He has heavily hinted that a certain Grand Moff will appear, so he's adding new actors too, possibly with dialogue.

It's safe to assume there will be substantial miniature work. Maybe even new motion-control or CG space battles.

The point is, I don't know how anyone can make an assertion about it being impossible after knowing all that. We have no idea how much of the original films will  even be left when he's done!

I'm assuming you ripped the demo? The full game isn't available yet is it? (From legit sources at least). 

fishmanlee said:

Just a note, the Lego Hobbit game has isolated sfx and voiceovers AND dialogue in the audio files for the game, they may be useful.

 That's actually really helpful to me! Thanks a lot!