maybe this is some form of build up, where we will be presented with the amazing audio track next week then all of us awkwardly apologize for being rude in order to recieve it....:P
should i stop crossing my fingers? this would really be the holy grail resource of edits, but im guessing you havnt reinvented the fan editing wheel and magically removed the music?
its fun watching folk vent though.;)
'revenge of the sith' was a good title...but...it is blatantly recycling of the 'revenge of the jedi'. i would like to keep the sith thing quiet if i were to do an edit, have the first mention of it coming from palpatine. coming up with a good title is always tricky. 'the black knight rises' or whichever title JasonN used was great, but annoyinly is only relevant to the end of the film. if an edit managed to have vader in the film somehow close to the beginning (maybe as an aparition or dream) then it would make for a perfect title.
even if this project doesnt work, i would love to see a musicless edition created, even if it requires a large amount of us to build up a large sfx library online and perhaps cut it into homework chunks? id be up for it. maybe someone cuts dialogue as closely as they can, and someone does shuttles etc.
in renaming the prequels, i would encourage people to remove the term 'of the', it always seems to get in the way and is too easy. the thing i like about 'the empire strikes back' is how it is more of a statement of the whole film, almost liek the narration in a boxing match.
i have always wanted a crack at a reborn style edit, so the clean audio track would allow for alternative scoring. one of the key issues with ID and TJ efforts was the dialogue track.
any chance you can post some samples? this is really exciting stuff if you can pull it off!
demuxing hypercube transcoder.... blaaaaaah...sounds briliant
could i have a copy of the descored audio track when its done? which movies are you doing for this? a certain infaminous discontinued project springs to mind....;)
the careful construction of a musicless version would be a brilliant resource for any editor. you could easily recruit help for this too.
ahh geocities. good times. watto was one of the redeeming features of TPM and AOTC for me.
"force powers dont work on me, only money!"
always reminds me of something an NPC in some RPG would say when you try to attack them when you shouldnt.
maybe he could just flap about the background in jabbas palace. a bit unecessary, but there arnt many flying creatures in the OT for obvious reasons, whereas in TPM we get watto and the geonosians.
heres a good example of using an alternative audio track for vader. the lip-sync is incredible.
this video made me spit out my cereal
ahh ok. weird because he sound alright in that scene.:) its weird how the pantomime villain in ROTJ becomes one of the better roles of the PT.
i heard that he had a sore throat that morning, and they just filtered his voice. lucas liked the effect it gave so decided not to re-record the lines.:P
"around the survivors a perimeter create"
its sad that i left AOTC saying that over and over again. i totally agree on toning down the yoda sterotype alot, and possibly removing it all together. it would be cool if he seems to be going senile in ESB.
SilverKey said:The deaths of the other three Jedi could be reworked with footage from the Separatist slaughter, with a blue lightsaber rotoscoped in, making it look like Anakin is killing some Jedi during the raid on the temple.
this could work with the montage well, perhaps the windu-sidious scene could work like this...
following these scenes, perhaps Yoda resolves not to confront the emperor, and turns to exile. Obi Wan, concerned for Anakin's safety, follows Padme (or travels with her openly? Maybe they decide to go to Mustafar together where he was sent on a final mission? On Mustafar, Anakin reveals his identity as the new apprentice (but not darth vader).
there is an 'uncamp' filter on after effects i heard....;)
that is awesome vaderios!
sounds daft, but i always assumed (before ROTS) that the emperor was just old and ugly in ROTJ, not alien, not facially corrupted by evil, just OLD. i mean he has to be in his 60s in ROTS, so mid to late 80s in ROTJ right?
SSWR:
OK, how is this for a radical idea: instead of killing off Dooku at the beginning thus having to have general grievous be the new leader of the droid army...why not switch it all up? At the beginning of the movie have grievous be some other villian for some other purpose (maybe he information...maybe he knows where Palpatine/Dooku is...?), Obiwan kills him, Obi and Anakin meet up, space battle, find Palps, kill Dooku, END WAR. From AOTC we already associate Dooku with being in control of the droid army. Remember what Obi said to Anakin in AOTC: "If we catch him we could end this war right now!". With this structure, it's easier for the audience to follow...Why did Lucas add grievous to ROTS?
I by no means haven't figured out the specifics so I don't know if it will work...but that makes more sense IMHO.
this sounds interesting, and would require some new bits being added in. the way i figure it would be reminiscent of how EPIII was originally to start, 'a montage of clone wars battles across 7 worlds', not too dissimilar to the jedi bashing scene later on. the montage could be reinstated (although not necessary), just the seventh world following obi wan specifically.
the exposition could even reveal that palpatine has been missing for some time perhaps? and the scene ending AOTC could lead ROTS?
obi wan could, as suggested, demand from grevious the location of dooku, or perhaps even the details of the secret attack which has been rumoured. cackling with his last breath, grevious utters 'coruscant' at which point kenobi recieves a message from a jedi detailing a massive attack on the city planet.
grevious was the result of lucas asking his art directors to come up with a droid general. i think its generally the result of leading a film production from an art department.
in regards to ep I, read this http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/376/376873p4.html
IGNFF: Well what were the original outlines for the prequels? Since they can be compared and contrasted now that the first one's out there, and the second one's soon to be out there. Were there major differences from what you saw, from the original outlines of prequel ideas?
KURTZ: Well a lot of the prequel ideas were very, very vague. It's really difficult to say. I can't remember much about that at all, except dealing with the Clone Wars and the formation of the Jedi Knights in the first place – that was supposed to be one of the keys of Episode I, was going to be how the Jedi Knights came to be. But all of those notes were abandoned completely. One of the reasons Jedi came out the way it did was because the story outline of how Jedi was going to be seemed to get tossed out, and one of the reasons I was really unhappy was the fact that all of the carefully constructed story structure of characters and things that we did in Empire was going to carry over into Jedi. The resolution of that film was going to be quite bittersweet, with Han Solo being killed, and the princess having to take over as queen of what remained of her people, leaving everybody else. In effect, Luke was left on his own. None of that happened, of course.
the ideas for the prequels as hinted in this interview were probably more dependant on the 9 film saga, but are still interesting things to consider.
hmm, i know wikipedia is far from concrete truth, but it says this on gary kurtz and lucas
George Lucas clashed over how to progress the Star Wars series. Kurtz recalled after Raiders of the Lost Ark in 1981, Lucas became convinced that audiences no longer cared about the story; they were simply there for thrills and entertainment, and he began to deviate from the original nine-episode bible starting with Return of the Jedi, at which point Kurtz quit the series.
sounds familiar?
im no expert on lucas/star wars relationship, but how much of its success is rightfully attributed to him? the more control this guy gets the worse the output seems to be. the impression i get is that he is kind of like Stan Lee, who isn't such a great writer or artist, but a better people person who puts the right people in the right places to produce something good.
either way, id love to steal gary kurtz's manuscripts, or maybe just xerox them.
Bingowings said:Wouldn't it just be easier (for Palpatine not for us) to blow up the temple with most of the celebrating Jedi inside it.
Imagine that huge structure coming down and the chaos in streets.
Palpatine could blame it on Rebel Senators who were backing the Seperatists.
Heaven's knows how it could be done but it would be very cinematic.
He could then cover up the Jedi purge by saying he is really fighting a Rebel Alliance.
that would be better, and more dramatic! imagine it, city celebrates, everyone grinning, then an explosion is heard, then the cheers turn to screams as the temple towers crash down into the temple. i hesitently say, but it would be very reminiscent of 9/11. perhaps yoda and obi wan survive as they are delayed in returning from their respective missions. the troops could still even turn on them as they did before.
yay! thanks for reading the mini essay SSWR!;) snape really hits the nail on the head. ultimatley now we understand and pity him the most. i agree the second one is a little ambitious. the essense though is to make us feel like the happy ending we might intially expect is merely seconds away, only for a tragic avalanche to hit straight afterwards, which could perhaps be gained through other means. i can imagine that maybe everyone seems relieved that the war is over, but mace is still pursuing his sith theories.
it may give "if what you have told me is true, then you have gained my trust" some added significance.
omg, david lynch turned down rotj??? i dont blame him, but it could have been SO much better!!
i have been thinking of an ESB style dream sequences. i love how the original clone wars series showed a dream of anakin and qui gon at the tree, and especially thought that anakins prophetic dream was really well delivered.
in regards to the alternative timing for the jedi purge as suggested by guitarfan, i have two ideas (one more radical than the other)
1 (less radical)
we build up mace windus character as a bit of a paranoid ass. he is constantly putting down anakin and palpatine, his suspicions have turned this once great master to a a bit of a loose cannon. during ROTS, he builds up suspicions that palpatine is the dark lord, an idea that is too dreadful or extreme to even be considered by the council.
at the crunch point of the film, mace decides to take matters into his own hands "i sence a plot to destroy the jedi", "if the chancellor does not relinquish his powers then he should be removed from office." mace does this (from a certain point of view) he (possibly alone) confronts the chancellor, declaring his intention to save democracy and the jedi order, palpatine coldly replies "you're too late".
we now cut to a montage of the jedi being slaughtered as windu and palpatine battle. it makes the jedi's battle seem futile and tragic, that even if windu is victorious in slaying palpatine, hehas still failed to stop the massacre. anakin rushes in and saves the chancellor from the obviously delusional jedi.
this idea would fit in well if we try and direct it more from anakins point of view. mace obviously isnt a paranoid ass, but if we force the viewer to only see 60% of the real story, then he may appear to be, so we are betrayed into thinking the obvious bad guy is the good guy.
2 (more radical)
obi wan defeats grevious, ending the clone war. a message is sent to the jedi to return to coruscant to celebrate the event. the streets of the capital are flooded with people chanting palpatines name. anakin looks happy with padme, and it feels like the film is going to end with this wonderful feeling of victory (like the end of TPM, but bigger and less gay).
anakin goes to visit palpatine, who is surrounded by senators, who are waiting for him to go the senate hall for the resigning ceremony. the senators leave. at this point palpatine reveals to anakin that he is the sith lord.
the film continues as usual or alternatively the 'less radical' paranoid mace windu can be intertwined with this.
enstead of the jedi being killed in the field of battle, they are enstead massacred in the temple, hundreds of thousands of troops charge, overwhelming them completley. yoda and obi wan are the only two who escape, who then follow through to their respective battles. anakin believes palpatine's lies etc.
i would like to see this idea, as it would be a complete emotional flip. as we near 2/3 into the film, we think we are about to get to a happy ending, for everything to go horribly wrong in the final act. it would be great for the celebration to be in daylight to contrast the burning jedi temple in the evening.
let me know if you even read all of this.;) idea 2 needs a bit more work.
has anyone ever wanted to see an edit of ROTS where there is a happy ending? my GF hates watching it because it upsets her too much.:P
what if (to be super extravigant) after the a wing hits the bridge, you see imperial officers being sucked out of the bridge into space, which then moves into an extablishing shot of the battle....(ok ive been watching too much star trek.:P)