ben_danger

something that is on its way.

check this out

http://uk.tv.ign.com/dor/objects/826173/star-wars-the-clone-wars/videos/CW_sdcc09_Trailer.html

m m m m mandalore! :D :D :D

even though the clone wars series is just a cartoon, and had a HORRIBLE opening pilot film thingy, the series for me is much closer to the swashbuckling feel of the OT than the PT.

does anyone know when the dvd for season 1 comes out? ive still got plans to forge something from it.:P

hey SSWR!

great video, some fantastic bits there. i especially liked the ROTJ style entrance there too. some of the edits worked so well and subtley that i had to watch some of AOTC to figure them out! i like the idea of mace jumping from the crowd. i have barely begun my version by comparison, so i think i may have to borrow a few small elements.;)

the only thing i was unsure of was having the goons enter whilst anakin and padme kiss. i think that scene of them needs to be kept seperate from the arena in order to still allow for the grand opening in contrast. perhaps they could enter first?

the jedi starfighters were neat, it must have taken ages! i think though ideally we would see hints of mysterious robed characters amongst a multi-racial crowd, as if the jedi were there all along, mace's head would throw off his cloak and jump in, and the surprise elemnt of 'oh, they were jedi' would be there perhaps?

either way, i love it! well done!:D

as for the clone wars clip, perhaps it would be good if we built up a character soundbank?

Molly said:

Luke Lars?

Luke Kenobi?:P

Johnny Ringo said:

EyeShotFirst said:

When Anikan is burning in the fires of Mustafar

I really don't think this should be shown, or even needs to be shown. And if  keeping Vader's true identity a secret is the goal then keeping this simply makes the task harder.

I'd prefer an uncertain end to the duel - for obiwan and for the audience. If Anakin were to simply vanish over the lava fall with the collector arm it would mean we wouldn't have to suffer through the terrible dialogue of the rest of the fight and the truly horrifying scene of Obiwan standing there watching him burn. Cue sad music and move on.

And switching things around so the Jedi Temple raids [with a suited VADER] happen AFTER the big Mustafar duel might be a lot more interesting.

Oh, and regarding Palpatine on Mustafar - could it be implied that this is merely Darth Sidious - Presented thus far as a seperate entity to the good chancellor?

what if we could play on owens line 'he died about the same time as your father'

perhaps we never see either of them return from the fight. ben's reveal in ANH could allow the audience to begin questioning all the information that luke is told. perhaps even cutting his birth could allow us to question his relation to anakin until obi wan explains.

when do  we first hear the name 'skywalker', sounds silly, but how long could a really ignorant audience go on thinking he is luke *smith* until he announces he is infact a skywalker.

BarBar Jinkx said:

It make me laugh 

 

all the work ady & others have done to correct the colours on the SE & then a mockup like that is posted LOL

looking forward to seeing yours lol

i must admit i did get a bit carried away on the tint, i was trying to see how far i could push the heat feel. it would be better if it was kepto to moments within the duel, not the space battle. there were some awesome ideas in ROTS to do with dark/light contrasts, ROTJ should have the same in the duel, as if vader has that choice again, as does luke.

the big change i want to see in ROTJ is for it to round of the SAGA better. it works alright for the trilogy, but not for all the films. visually it should be the ultimate clash between good and evil.

im not sure if people agree, but if in AOTC:R we see Jabba as a seperatist goon, with some battle droids, then maybe seeing a couple of rusty droids in ROTJ:R in his palace would just add an air of rememberance to the whole 1st part of the film, almost like luke is closing the last few loose ends.

EyeShotFirst said:

Well I wouldn't have the star that close because it would burn everything and be way too bright for too long. But adding any light whatsoever would definetely make the duel scene more epic. But a star would have to be pretty far away or endor wouldn't be worth living on.

thats very true. i was more playing on the dramatic rather than logical ideas. also i only saw the original next to the editted when posting them here, so i agree, they are a tad extreme!:P

could the gas giant glow?

some mockup ideas based along the idea of having the star visable and generating dark/light contrasts.

good point! ill face palm myself later!:P

it would be cool having dark/light contrasting alot within the throne room perhaps. add drama perhaps, like luke is ascending the stairs to the emperor, who is shrouded in a white purifying energy. i dont know.:P what if the star of endor is brightly visible throughout the battle? dark/light contrasts would be visible throughout the battle with the silhouettes?

it would be pretty intense if a sun was visible, or the explosion of the executor giving a blinding light perhaps? the blinding light could be used to one of the combatants advantages?

wow wow wow, they are amazing! id ose the big jango though, mabe rework him/that part a bit?

Rhikter said:

vaderios said:

I like the idea of anakin be in the senate office but as he should be at the first draft scenario. Thats why palps have annie's saber.

-Angel

 

This is a real production still?  Not a piece of photoshop work?

yeah its def a production still. in the art of ROTS it talks about George's last minute epiphany to shift things around a bit. am i right in thinking he had the actors come back to change the scene? they probably used some of the footage, such as windus entrance etc.

if obi wan says something to padme in ROTS after icing VADER, that is a half truth like in ANH, but leans more towards WINDU killed ANAKIN (which he may have seen in the hologram recording) then we may be able to just dismiss obi wans comments in ANH as just some inbuilt metaphor to ward luke from the dark side? the ROTS little 25% lie turns into a 50% lie in ANH

example:

my old manager always used to go on about another young employee who was really incompetant who he was going to fire, who i eventually discovered was totally fictitious, just designed to scare me.

PART 4, option b, the jedi initially argue over what to do with palpatine, and resolve to arrest him together.

vaderios said:

ben_danger said: I will try and make some mockup stills to illustrate them.

THAT!

 

-Angel

 

ive never been shouted at with that particular term before!:p

mayyyyybe you could do some too?;)

the biggest problem with the vader identity for me is the mustafar duel, as its obvious its anakin who is vader, because even if all references to 'vader' by name were removed, it just doesnt add up in obi wans speech in ANH.

BIG RADICAL IDEAS - (if you cannot repel ideas of this magnitude, please look away now)

i like SSWR idea of WINDU taking over the JEDI COUNCIL form yoda. he is constantly distrustful of anakin, and as we should see things from anakins POV, a bit of a dodgy character. we should make it clear that WINDU is percieved to be inadiquate for leadership, and that he is a bit insecure because of this.

these ideas can be chopped and changed, they will requre heavy reconstruction to work (i have included 'a' ideas and 'b' ideas that can work in coherence)

SSWR, if you can make this, i will....well...be very pleased!;)

PART 1

1a - anakin and windu being the only council members remaining on coruscant, go to relieve palpatine of his chancellorship together.

1b - windu goes to to relieve palpatine alone (not arrest, basically what anakin is supposed to do)

PART 2

senators depart his office and everything is very polite. very similar ot other scenes in AOTC.

PART 3 - Palpatines Revelation

a - palpatine reveals he is the sith lord to both anakin and windu. he reveals to anakin that he has the power to save padme, and to windu that 'only through me can you become more powerful than any jedi', bargaining with both of them. windu's line and look from AOTC 'I DONT THINK SO' could be appropriate as a responce.

b - the same as A, but without anakin, so he is only bargaining with windu.

PART 4 - Dealing with Palpatine

a - some other dialogue, leading to the the Jedi and Palpatine fighting.

b - the jedi leave, windu seems shaken and insistent that the must contact yoda, anakin seems more sensible 'no we have to take him NOW' they argue, palpatine smiles from the other side of the door, when they re-enter he will undermine them by saying 'i see you have decided what to do with me' in a kindly patronising tone.

c - if windu is alone, he leaves, contacting anakin via holoprojecotor that he needs assistance to arrest Palpatine. This way windu could seem a bit shifty, as if its a trap.

PART 5 - DUEL I

the fight between the jedi and palpatine continue, until we get to the part where the window is smashed and palpatine is on the floor, he bargains with both the Jedi, who are both pointing their sabers at his throat. he does his force lightening thing, seperating the two out. the lightening stops, and palpatine will say something that changes the expression on windus face. the next part is complicated. the two jedi begin fighting, but it has to be unclear who is attacking and who is defending. in truth it is anakin attacking like in ROTS, just windu this time has a chance to fight back, but to the viewer it is him being the bad guy. we dont see much of the fight, perhaps just shadows on the wall, but palpatine will laugh like in ROTJ at the spectacle. we dont see who wins, in fact, we never see anakin or windu ever again.

-the knighting scene could go ahead still. perhaps if anakin gets electrocted he could lose his hair, so a bald jedi silhouette is seen. it would be good if this new 'vader' is just a bald guy who wheezes due to the lightening?-

PART 6 - VADER KNIGHTED

now much later on, on when obi wan and yoda are in the temple, the see the security recordings as usual, and observe as palpatine knights vader. they look horrified, but not in a sence to give away who vader is, it would be better for yoda to look upset, as the windu-yoda relationship could be like the anakin-obiwan? within the recording, the emperor orders vader to mustafar.

PART 7 - Padme's involvement

a - obiwan requests padmes help to get offworld to mustafar - seems only logical way to get her there?

b - (alternatve is later on, see 9) padme never goes to mustafar, she is away with bail organa on tantive IV, and doesnt die. perhaps obi wan informs her that anakin was killed in a similar way to how he informs luke? we can assume she passes away between III-IV, or maybe on alderaan?

PART 8 - DUEL II

obi wan goes to confront DARTH VADER on mustafar. he is waiting for him on the landing platform as a silhouted form with a red saber. no hair, and he wheezes thus masking his voice. perhaps he says something poignant like 'my Jedi self is dead, I am DARTH VADER now'. they ignite sabers, then the scene fades to something else, thus the duel is cut short, enhancing the mystery but marginalising the significance. we could clips of it within a montage of other actions, as if obi wan is remembering whilst flying away, bu the ultimate part would be VADER's mutilated corpse burning by the lava as obi wan walks away, the screams could bleed into other scenes haunting him.

we dont see what happens to VADER afterwards, so no suiting up. but a daring escape manoever (like ESB) from obi wan in grevious' hotrod from some star destroyers over mustafar would be interesting. the emperor could be stood by the glass and mutter something like 'i sense Lord Vader needs our help' or 'he is still alive'.

PART 9 - Birth of the twin (yes twin not twins...i know that doesnt make sense)

i like the idea of obi wan informing padme of anakins death in the same way he tells luke, but slightly less elaborate or tactful, so when we hear it in 4, we think, "hang on, but in 3 he said this" just so we have an incling that he knows more than he says.

padme is with bail organa on the Tantive IV where obi wan told her to wait safely much earlier in the film

a - padme gives birth to just one baby, but we hear another crying

b - padme gives birth to twins, but the gender and name of baby 2 is kept secret, so we always know luke has a sibling, but not who. i know it sounds daft, but we could have people suspect that han or biggs is an (older looking) twin brother perhaps?:P

- padme shouldnt die in childbirth, i really insist on this, she should just be allowed to fade out of the films. definitly have the birth on dagoba, with yoda waiting behind, and still have the closing scene on tatooine.

- as the closing scene is of obi wan passing baby luke to Lars on tatooine, another scene could have bail organa on alderaan carrying the baby 'number 2' with padme standing alone in the shadows as if she has passed her on.

NOTES

reduced mustafar duel footage could allow for anakin duelling with palpatine footage to be reused.

VADERS voice is obviously from someone who is black, windu is also black

ending should be like ESB i think, with an open ended 'licking our wounds with optimism' feel, not closing loose ends like it was originally.

please read these, its taken me AGES to write them!:S i will try and make some mockup stills to illustrate them.

yeah, on that note. i noticed that the 2004 ESB has this horrible blue tint....or is that just me?

hey SSWR, commented a bit more on youtube, but awesome clip and ideas!

im wondering if it would be possible to push the snape/windu thing further so we may even believe HE is the dark lord? like the snape/quirrel thing in Harry Potter I perhaps?

wow, way to bump a piece of faneditting history! we should debate more on here more often.

fishmanlee said:

but luke took off vaders suit 

why would you cremate a suit?

Bingowings said:

My higher rez panorama of Ben's hut is coming on a pace (for bringing Ben's ghost home post sabre hiding/message recording)

Here is a mini preview of the scope of the thing, I still have to find and map in a lot of details and correct wonkyness but you get the general idea all of this made possible by Ady's HD version of ANH, still can't find any quality info for the near end of the arch as it never appeared on screen anyway:

wow, just noticed this! i really like it. sounds daft, but id love to see more panaramic shots of areas just as images as this looks great.

a few thoughts though.

would the shed be weathered at all? or just grimy after a few years of abandonment, or would it be perfectly preserved as noone has been there? in Wales there are numerous cabins in the abandoned quarries where workmen's mugs are still left on tables and coats on pegs from the last day they worked there over 40 years ago.

also, would it be worth making a miniature of the set? and mixing that with the photos?

this technique you are using though is brilliant, cant wait to see the hi res version!:)

would be sinister having him in the vadersuit, just with the mask removed but the breathing piece still on. it would miss the symbology though.

personally id like to see shaws face haydenised slightly perhaps (not the hair) and in anakins ROTS robes.

just had an idea, how about after a redux of some key comics, having them reprinted to a size the same as a dvd case? the covers/spine could even match perhaps?

wow, that looks great!:D