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#59290
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59290/action/topic#59290
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Originally posted by: jimbo
HD-DVD will be out in early 2005 in Japan and Late 2005 in America. Thats a six month head start to Blu-Ray.
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It's already behind Blu-Ray. Can't you read? I found no mention of HD-DVD's release in the the states. In fact, it said no mention of what part of 2005 it was being released in Japan.

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MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 are not video standards just compression standards.


What's your point?

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MPEG-4 can hold 6x the picture quality at only twice the bit rate. 3x as much information into the space. With that the lower capacity HD-DVD holds 30% more information.


It depends entirely upon the compressionist. If you have good people, you can good equal results with either codec.

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As of now with HD-DVD officially backing these better codecs and Blu-Ray currently not I am all for HD-DVD.


Have fun. Are you planning on replacing your entire DVD collection?


And you do all realize that simply because the resolution is higher it doesn't necessarily make it better. Take D-VHS' T2 for example. It is no better than the DVD version. It's actually worse because all the resolution does is expose more print flaws.

Don't look for older movies on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray... they will most likely look worse.

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#59285
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59285/action/topic#59285
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
To comment on the codecs, Blu-Ray will support MPEG-4 as well as VC-9 too. It also features encryption, something that HD-DVD will probably not have, thus making executives prefer it over HD-DVD.

As for release dates... Blu-Ray is already out in Japan. It will be in the US in either late 2005, or 2006, though players are annoucned for August of 2005. Don't expect to see HD-DVD titles out until 2006 at the earliest. And it will still be a number of years before they start becoming as afforable as DVD.

And enough of the crap about HD-DVD being so cheap to produce. The encoding process is completely different, regardless of the manufacturing process.

Don't underestimate people's stupidity. There will be plenty of announcements on Blu-Ray. No one knew was DVD was, but that didn't stop it, did it?

Personally, it will be quite some time until I invest in new player for these formats. I already have quite a bit put into my DVD collection. I'll get a few titles that would be worth it, such as Lawrence of Arabia, Star Wars, titles that would actually be an improvement. DVD is a spectacular format and I see no reason to dump it all for a new format that will soon be obsolete in another 5-10 years.


The Blu-Ray association is considering better codecs but as of now Blu-Ray only has MPEG-2 as the standard. Read the article link HD-DVD will have prerecorded media before Blu-Ray. When Sony officially announces Blu-Ray will use a better codec I will probably change my mind. As of now I am all for HD-DVD.


Did you read your own article? It clearly states that Blu-Ray is already out in Japan. It also says that HD-DVD will be released in 2005.... but in Japan. And it could be delayed too baring problems.

This article discusses that Blu-Ray will probably have MPEG-4 abd VC-9 too. But even if it doesn't, it shouldn't be a discouraging factor. MPEG-2 can produce just as good as results as MPEG-4.
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#59245
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Pot calling the kettle black?? George Lucas talks 'The Three Stooges' - remade in color?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59245/action/topic#59245
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Originally posted by: Galahad_Skywalker
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
Please do not post anything else here.

POST HERE PLEASE


bad_karma, today's king of cross-linking threads.



Just trying to keep one topic going .

And I do agree about fullscreen. Though as John Carpenter put it, "Have two releases. Let people who care have widescreen, and give the idiots their pan and scan" (yes, he really did call them idiots).

I really don't see how people prefer pan and scan over widescreen. It's obviously the superior format.

Saying fullscreen is a bit misleading too. Pan and scan is a better word. Fullscreen basically implies that it's 4:3, which is what all movies before the 1950s were. Pan and scan means that the image has been cropped from it's original release; even movies that are "widescreen" can be pan and scanned.

It all comes down to what the director prefers. Kubrick filmed most of his later films in 4:3 and cropped them for theater. He then released them in 4:3, as they were intended to be shown.
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#59242
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59242/action/topic#59242
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Not really. I just think it's the greatest film ever made.

It really is a spectacular film, and I'm sure I love it also because I'm half Arab (my father was born and raised in Lebanon). The acting is fantastic (O'Toole is a marvelous actor) the battle scenes are exciting, and every frame looks like it's a painting. Not to mention the amazing picture quality and color rendition that comes from 70mm filmstock. 70mm blows everything else out of the water. Not even HD can come close to it.

Interestlingly enough, even though it's almost 4 hours long, there's not a single female speaking role.
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#59235
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59235/action/topic#59235
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To comment on the codecs, Blu-Ray will support MPEG-4 as well as VC-9 too. It also features encryption, something that HD-DVD will probably not have, thus making executives prefer it over HD-DVD.

As for release dates... Blu-Ray is already out in Japan. It will be in the US in either late 2005, or 2006, though players are annoucned for August of 2005. Don't expect to see HD-DVD titles out until 2006 at the earliest. And it will still be a number of years before they start becoming as afforable as DVD.

And enough of the crap about HD-DVD being so cheap to produce. The encoding process is completely different, regardless of the manufacturing process.

Don't underestimate people's stupidity. There will be plenty of announcements on Blu-Ray. No one knew was DVD was, but that didn't stop it, did it?

Personally, it will be quite some time until I invest in new player for these formats. I already have quite a bit put into my DVD collection. I'll get a few titles that would be worth it, such as Lawrence of Arabia, Star Wars, titles that would actually be an improvement. DVD is a spectacular format and I see no reason to dump it all for a new format that will soon be obsolete in another 5-10 years.
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#59218
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HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59218/action/topic#59218
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Originally posted by: TR47
HD DVD and/or Blu-ray will exist in the near future, if only for this one reason:
The movie companies will NOT hesitate to take advantage of an opportunity to sell you the same product all over again!


Only if they think there will be a significant monetary gain. At this point they don't want to risk spending all this money develooing HD-DVD only to have it go to hell.

Now, near future meaning what? I'm sure by 2006 or 2007 we should see HD-DVD and/or Blu-Ray. 2005 is doubtful. The winner of the war will be whichever gives the most significent improvement, which is up for grabs still.
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#59217
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General DVD Talk
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59217/action/topic#59217
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It also depends on the Superbit.

I have the Lawrence of Arabia and Das Boot Superbits.

LOA has a new transfer and has a lot more detail. Das Boot is the same transfer but looks much better. Reason being that the old release was two DVDs and both were single layer. The new one is also two DVDs, but it is duel-layer.

Some Superbits, like Leon, are actually worse than their non-SB counterparts.

I've also heard that The Fifth Element SB is one of the greatest looking titles on DVD, right behind Criterion's The Rock, which IMO has never been surpassed yet.
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#59191
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Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59191/action/topic#59191
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Your talk of it becoming a niche product sounds very similar to what was once said about DVD. You may not see much use in it, but it's a bigger world out there.
I never said I didn't see the use in it. It sounds great to me, but in reality it probably won't go far.

Uhm, yes, they do. This is precisely why laserdisc remained a niche product, versus the inferior picture of VHS. This is also why Netflix is such a booming business.

Laserdisc remained a niche product because it didn't offer people a substansial enough upgrade from VHS.

You are presuming they won't. Have you seen the numbers for home theater sales for the past 5 years, or projected sales for the next 5. I mean, who really needs 5.1, right? Most people don't even have their systems set up correctly.

And what exactly about HD-DVD will they want to upgrade for? It offers no benefits over DVD except for better picture quality. That's simply not enough.

Only Blue-Ray requires a new player. The other standard is backwards-compatible. Of course, there's always Joe Kane's idea of adding the HD information to the already-SD info of a standard DVD. Old players play the 480P, and newer players could read the 720/1080 info. Best of both worlds.

They are backwards compatible, but not in that way. Today's DVD players have too wide of a laser to read the information on HD-DVDs. A good analogy would be a guy with fat fingers trying to press buttons on a smaller cell. They are backwards compatible meaning that HD-DVD players can read SD-DVDs.

Most DVD players used to cost several thousand dollars. Now you can get them for 50 bucks at the local drug store. Do you get out much?

Thanks for the insult. I'm well aware of the cost of DVD players. We're talking HD-DVD though. They're not the same thing.

HD-DVD uses VC-9 and MPEG-4.

HD-DVD will actually use WMV 9, MPEG-4 and MPEG-2

My TV isn't digital anyway. Commonfolk like me won't see a need to upgrade at all.

Thank you for proving my point.


And you're all forgetting that it doesn't matter what technology we have to do it. Companies have no reason to upgrade at all. DVD is a huge seller, and as of now they don't see the point in rushing to upgrade.
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#59075
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Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59075/action/topic#59075
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Originally posted by: jimbo
HD-DVD - 1920 x 1080
SD-DVD - 720 x 480
VHS - 320 x 240

The difference in quality between HD-DVD and SD-DVD is huge. Even greater then the difference between DVD and VHS. HD-DVD has twice the resolution of D-VHS, 3x the resolution of HDTV, and 6x the resolution of SD-DVD. The worst looking HD-DVD will be alot better then the best looking SD-DVD. To say that the picture quality won't be much better must come from a person who has never seen a D-VHS movie on a good HDTV. Its amazing. Also unlike Sonys junk HD-DVD can be manufactored with the same assembly lines as current DVDs. With that HD-DVD will be very cheap. Laserdisc and D-VHS were both niche formats because they offered higher quality at the expense of cost and convience. HD-DVD offers much much better quality with all the cheap cost and convience.


Your missing the point. Cost and convenience don't matter. If the average consumer sees no reason to upgrade, they won't get it, and it will die right there. And at this point the average consumer sees no reason to upgrade. The majority of Americans won't benefit much anyway as most don't own an HDTV.

And where are you getting all this that HD-DVD will be cheap? It will need an entirely new player, it uses a different codec, etc.
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#59042
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Reminder: Bootlegs of commercially available DVDs (such as the upcoming trilogy release) are NOT PERMITTED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/59042/action/topic#59042
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: bad_karma24
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Originally posted by: jimbo
HD-DVD will come out in both America and Japan in 2005. True titles will be slow at first but they will grow. No doubt that SD-DVD will not last forever. HD-DVD will eventually replace it. Also I garuntee that Star Wars 30th anniversery will be avaible on HD-DVD.


Tell that to the executives. Hardly anyone wants to go ahead with HD-DVD. And why should they? DVD is their biggest money-maker.

Blu-Ray on the other hand...


Same could be said about VHS in 1996. People could have said VHS is fine for people now and DVD will be a niche. HD-DVD has everything that made DVD successful. Its cheap, its vastly vastly superior, it just makes sense.


Did you even read what I said? I explained the reasons why HD-DVD will just be a passing fad and the differences it between it and DVDs takeover of VHS. Oh, and..

It's not cheap, it's superior depending on the source and way it's mastered, and it doesn't quite make sense...

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Uhm, you do realize these are both HD delivery systems, right?

Yes... what's your point? AFAIK they're two different products.