adywan

vaderios said:

The small portion over luke's left eye (from viewer's pov)

cmon its there too lazy to make an arrow.

 

-Angel

Better look again because that's part of the gun over his left eye or are you seeing his head set earpiece?

Cantina Scene said:

Fwiw the star field should not move by in the background like it does, as if it's a landscape passing by.

Which part are you talking about?

I'll await your complete batch of "mistakes" Vaderios before i reply so i can do it all in one go

doubleofive said:

 

I was just wondering what we should call this new version. HENCEFORTH it shall be known as ANHRSE.

 

lol. At first glance i read that as ARSE.

This one will be my true vision. The others were only "workprints". When "Revisited:Special Edition" comes out only a handful of fanboys will cry out for the original version to be restored and preserved in HD, but it would be too expensive for me to ............

ARRRRGGHHHHHHHHH. WHAT HAVE I BECOME!!!!!

vaderios said:

Pity. most of the mistakes and the errors even the 2d layers will be in your face now with the HD.

 

-Angel

Well you don't have to watch it if all these so called mistakes will be in your face because it will be in HD. I'd love to know what all these mistakes you keep talking about are

doubleofive said:

 

adywan said:

There will be some differences because i can't recreate it 100% faithfully but it will be as close as possible. But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version

Add that to the first post.

 

Done.

There will be some differences because i can't recreate it 100% faithfully but it will be as close as possible. But i won't be taking any suggestions for changes/ fixes for the HD version

slight mistake. It should be "2016" not "2012". I'm watching the 2012 blu-ray at the moment. oops.

The colour for the theatrical & '97 AVCHD was never fully completed. For Revisited, ESB has gone through a few more colour passes since i did this to restore the blue, without tinting the whole picture.  The theatrical reconstruction was a last minute decision and i knocked it up in 2 weeks so it would be out for the 30th anniversary.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

none said:

The idea that their monitors are a different class then the TVs in most people's homes, provides another wrinkle to how the films look different dependent upon the equipment you use.

The claim that ESB came out too blue because they were using better monitors is, frankly, laughable.

exactly. It's just more spin to try to make out there is nothing wrong with the colouring done on the 2004 set. Here's an example below that blows the "we were using better monitors" excuse right out of the water. Now nothing has been done to these two images. These frames are as they appear in the 2004 transfer:

Now how the hell can they say that the colour problems are sown to consumer monitors? Now, although these are 2 separate shots in the edited scene, you can see that they are originally one longer shot that was split for editing purposes. Now why would the colouring be so different if the colouring was correct? Do they have magical monitors that adjust the colours between shots so that everything looks perfect? No. And why was the first shot NEVER green in any other transfers of ESB that had ever been done? Do they really think that people are so dumb that they will believe that the set looks so bad because its the consumer equipment at fault? well to be honest yes, there are those who argue that the colours are perfect as its "George's true vision" and that Hoth should be completely blue because it's an ice planet etc. But what about those who have correctly calibrated monitors? Is this guy trying to say that Lucasfilm have the only monitors in the world that are correct? Bull.

Just sent you an email JD with the proof

OCP is definitely selling your DVD's and i have the list he sent someone to prove it. Haven't heard of the person on youtube but i'll let you know if i hear anything

I noticed someone over there posted this:

originally posted by TheCassidy

@ Vidiot - are you aware of, and have you ever visited the Forums at originaltrilogy.com?

Your info would be very interesting to a lot of people over there who critique the work, often baseless, and go to great lengths to "correct the films" themselves.

You should check it out sometime, if you haven't already.

lol

captainsolo said:

Over on the steve hoffman forum there's an ongoing thread for the blu release:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=238224

One poster actually worked on the 04 transfer and has given some insight about the coloring etc.:

George only came in during the mornings on Tuesdays and Thursdays and would approve new shots, review old shots, and revise stuff as needed. The rest of the time, I just used my best judgement to get the shots in the ballpark. But everything you see is 100% what he wanted. The 2004 version was the first (and so far, the only) time that the home video transfers were exactly what the director intended you to see.

Wayneklein earlier is correct: they pretty much have 2K scans of everything, even some trims and unused scenes, so master copies exist in a sense. But the original Kodak 5247 camera negatives are extremely beat-up and turning magenta (fading yellow & cyan layers), and it's not going to last much longer.

The problem is, the restoration was only done on the new version, not the unused shots from the original "classic" version. The expense of cleaning all those up and then conforming the 1977 version would be pretty astronomical.

Originally Posted by captainsolo

Vidiot, do you think that the final 04 version reflected the original film (instead of George's wishes) in any way in regards to color? Comparing to photos of prints, cells, and even over saturating the 06 bonus release it doesn't match.

Yeah, I was in a room that was just down the hall from the big screening room in Building C at the old Kerner Blvd. facility. We occasionally would adjourn and go down there and compare what I was doing to a print. Now, I think these were the 1997 prints, but those were timed and supervised by George at the lab. Again, it's all a subjective call; these are not absolutes in terms of right or wrong. Lucas is very, very astute when it comes to photographic issues; he actually lit part of Star Wars himself (like the trash compactor scene), so he knows color timing backwards, forwards and sideways.

Originally Posted by Ziggysane

The original trilogy all appear to skew towards a blue/cool tint (forgive my lay assessment), despite being worked on by different colorists.

They lean towards what the director wanted. I did most of Jedi, all of New Hope, along with Rich Garibaldi doing some of the final touches; Natasha Leonett and Rich did Empire. But we all worked in the same room and could see each other's work as still frames. All three of us are credited on the bonus disc.

We'll traditionally lean the whites towards blue to give them a "whiter" look, and I did that in the opening shots of New Hope because of the corridors and stormtroopers. On a monitor set to 6500-degree whites, it's going to look fine; on a consumer monitor with very bluish whites, it'll be too blue. I watched the DVDs (and seen the 2K digital projection), and they look fine to me.

Someone who thinks that the colours look fine to them really should never work on the colouring of a film ever again. Even on a properly calibrated monitor the colours still looks like crap and are too "blue", even changing intensity /hue from shot to shot. This is why i can see that the colours will NEVER be fixed, because they try to tell us that there isn't a problem and its all down to our viewing setups. And again we here the bull  on how astronomically expensive it would be to restore the original versions, when they already have everything scanned.

Is kenkraly just copying and pasting the same comments on every site that mentions the blu-rays? he mus have commented the same stuff on dozens of sites already and surely there si no way you can spell august wrong so many times.

ah, i think i can  see where your problem might be with the DVD-5. You are using +R and not -R. A lot of players have problems playing +R recorded DVD-5 discs. Always use -R discs when burning a DVD-5 and you'll probably find your problem goes away. So -R discs for DVD-5, +R discs for DVD-9

it depends on which filter you use in vegas. Colour corrector using the wheel method as above for shadows, midtones and highlights individually. Looking at the colour wheel for each value move the centre dot in the opposite direction to the colour on the wheel you want to reduce. If it's yellow and you are using the other filter colour balance then move the green slider down and some of the red.Yellow is the mixture of red and green. There is don definitive values to use so you would need a lot of trial and error here to get the effect you desire

But if it's just a yellow colour you want to reduce in saturation then unfortunately vegas can't do this for individual colours, which i why i use Adobe After effects for all of my colour correction as vegas is a little too basic. If using after effects then use the colour correction>hue/saturation and you can change each individuals colour with a lot better results

That sounds like a bad burn. What are you using to burn the image? A way to tell if there is something wrong with the original file or the burn is to mount the original ISO file using virtual clone drive (google it, it's free) then try playing the mounted image.

But when you say it's black & white then are you in a PAL region? Because this sounds like a problem with NTSC playing on some PAL systems

Just remux the m2v to a mpeg2 file. I use tmpeg to do this and Vegas can then import it

Kenobius Prime said:

Here's video of the actual announcement.  Absolute pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q05CunZ82o0

 

That was the big announcement? that was embarrassingly bad.

Davnes007 said:

Does Han shoot first on the Blu-Ray?

Or will the scene be changed so that nobody fires, and they discuss the problem in a fair and peaceful manner?

 

They both go to pull their guns but none of them can shoot because they're only carrying walkie-talkies

Monroville said:

Ripplin said:

I like the idea of the entrance to the meditation room either being guarded or extended (like in vaderios' old mock-up) being brought up again. Makes sense that it would be more secluded, not open so that every no-name Imperial noob could see Vader in his big black egg as they walk by, especially if he has his helmet off.

 Or at least another set of doors behind Piett to serve as an airlock... Vader is in that suit for a reason, and to have one set of doors where everyone's germs can get in and infect him (being that the pod was open for Piett to see his knarly head BEFORE the helmet was lowered and re-attached to his suit) wouldn't serve a Sith Lord too well if the one thing that killed him was the common flu.

I'm not going to be adding anything to the doors or behind them. I'm going to keep this shot exactly the way it always has been. It makes more sense to me that the chamber would be just off from the bridge control room. Anyone walking outside would be able to see vader inside the camber anyway. Just look at the height of the largest bottom sides of the chamber. There is one directly between vader and the door, so you wouldn't see him in there. The meditation chamber itself would have some sort of force field to protect him then when he has his mask off.

Also the mask could be take off in one piece as this is a mechanical device that takes it off then re-fits it. Luke had to take Vaders mask off manually in ROTJ so wouldn't have had the electronic devices needed to remove it all in one. (well this is my interpretation on it anyway), so no fix needed here, especially when the scene where he gets the suit won't be seen in ROTS:R anyway.

Monroville said:

I guess a couple of points to bring up too:

(1) will the holo room walls be toned to grey to match the meditation room wall colors?
(2) will there be anything coming out of the "red lights" on the posts to indicate the hologram projector(s) (nothing as harsh as say when R2 projects a hologram, but maybe have the red lights turn brighter blue and flicker a bit - even if there is no hint of a projector beam - just to show that the holo-room is on and active).

1. The walls have been toned down but not grey as the walls in the chamber have a blue tint to them which has nothing to do with the 2004 colouring

2. no

DarthJarJar said:

Why does he communicate with Ozzle via a monitor, but with his ground troops and the Emperor via hologram? It is inconsistent. Do you plan to address this Ady?

no. no problem here. He communicates through hologram to all off ship personnel but uses the monitor for on board communication.

muddyknees2000 said:

I've got another quick question concerning cloud city......if you dont mind. Theres an establishing shot of leia up in a tower through a window.....this is the scene where she indicates she's worried about c3po.....in the establishing shot of the scene, pre SE, there used to be a pod car lifting off from a landing platform, and its engine slowly came on and got brighter before it flies off.......and in the SE, they've actually added another shot of the pod lifting off from the platform, but its engine is already on, and THEN they cut to the original shot (or a new one made to look like the old), a few seconds past its original start, meaning that the engine no longer comes on, its just on. It was a tiny detail, but I always liked it......are you restoring little things like that, or no?

No, i won't be restoring that effect. tracking the ship in the previous SE shot and replacing it with a new ship which replacing background elements that are all moving would be a nightmare, all for just a small effect. Also, the building position problems between the SE and the older matte will have to stay. I made a new matte and placed the buildings/platform in the correct position and boy did the shot looks bad. The composite just didn't look right at all. It has been slightly tweaked, but the positioning remains almost the same

The Golden Idol said:

Hey Ady, I'm very sorry to hear about your health, feel better! I really hope none of ESB:R was lost when your motherboard was fried. :(

Still in a lot of pain and my face is the size of a football thanks to the abscess but on the positive side nothing was lost when the board fried. It was all down to the new heatsink/fan i installed on the board. The northbridge was getting too hot with the standard pipe/heatsink and this was affecting the heat inside the case and the board itself, so i replaced it with a fan based one. The thing is that the fan failed and the board then failed to shut down, like it is supposed to do upon fan failure, and the northbridge  burned out part of the board. It was usable for a while, but running at a much lower speed and with half the memory slots disabled but after a few days it gave up. looking for a new one now although this will take a while to afford. Unfortunately aswell the guarantee is void due to changing the northbridge cooling. I suspect that it was the board that actually failed and shut the fan down as none of the case fans that were attached to the board were running when i discovered what happened, but they all worked perfectly once the pc was restarted.

ImperialFighter said:

And while I remember, here's something else I've been meaning to bring up adywan, and I've included a few shots for easier judging -

Do you reckon that the black, circular 'hologram' prop seen in shots 1, 3, and 4 is actually missing from shot 2, or not? 

Should we still be able to see a little bit of it, or not?  Or has shot 2 just been filmed from a deceiving angle?

1.

it probably should be in shot but the holograms are also in a different position so the pod should be behind them anyway so i won't be changing this

you know what, something just occurred to me. What if a lot of the deleted scenes on the Blu-Ray set for the OT are the scenes/shots taken out by the SE? Because after all these are deleted scenes now, right?. But would they be in HD or SD even if they did something like that?

rpvee said:

adywan said:

Maybe they've had the new transfer ready for years.  We did see the new Yoda as early as 2005.

yes they have. this was documented in an interview years ago that they had the HD transfer ready for a Blu-Ray release

But specifically for Menace, right?  Because if they'd been working on it for a while (by the time the Yoda clip came out the film was already six years old), then maybe since then they've been working on Clones and Sith, and haven't reached the OT yet.

No, they were talking about the OT. That was done and ready to go, so in other words they wouldn't be doing anything else to it.