adywan

LeeThorogood said:

Adywan thanks for posting the comment about the audio sync its nice to know I did something right. ;) What did you think to the video quality considering the source was LaserDisc? Furthermore how does everyone else feel about authoring these as DL DVDs being too much?

It all depends on the encoder used for Mpeg2. Some encoders need the higher bitrate to maintain the quality while others, like procoder3, can do the same job at a lower bitrate. As these were a first gen rip from a laserdisc then i think the DL approach was the way to go. With the broadcasts being only single layer in the first place then DJ's approach of SL was the way to go with his as the extra bitrate wouldn't have affected the quality very much

For the audio , i can't help wiht that because i don't know what apps that i use would work on a Mac (i'm a PC guy), but you need to speed the NTSC audio up from 23.976fps to 25fps, not stretch. Eac3to does this easily and you can get a gui for it but i don't know if it would work on a mac. I'm sure that someone here who uses a Mac would know how to do it

Well the sync looks pretty good but i can't understand what is making the centre channel sound so hollow, especially if its DE's 5.1 rip from the laserdiscs (which i haven't heard). Stretching the audio wouldn't cause this problem, but it would cause the warbling.

I know what a problem syncing the laserdisc audio to the DV broadcasts, but this is a laserdisc rip so there shouldn't have been many syncing issues when using the NTSC laserdisc audio. I just wish the stretch method wasn't used because it has completely ruined for me what could have been a great preservation.

Just downloaded your ESB and it looks great. One question though. What audio did you use for this? There is something really strange going on with the audio. It has a warbling effect and it is really noticeable during any music.  Did you try to stretch the NTSC 5.1 to fit with the PAL framerate to keep the original pitch? Also the centre channel sounds very hollow as if it was recorded with a mic in a room. It just sounds very "boxy", if you know what i mean. It's a real shame because it's nice to have a laserdisc preservation of the '97 SE, but i'm afraid the problems with the audio are a deal breaker for me.

you settings are a bit too extreme. R2's blue is so oversaturated that it's what is causing the undesired colour bleeding around his panels. It's also destroying the skin tones and its a little too green shifted in some areas. I'm sorry to say but Lukes face in Ben's hut looks horrendous. It seems as if you have darkened the shaded areas of the skin tones and made them look very unnatural. If you are going by the technicolor screen shots you should be able to see how different yours looks. It's still possible to get the GOUT to look resemble the technicolor prints, but you just need to ease off your settings.

Ah. 9 pro. Ok, well this might not be the same thing that's happening to you but you say you only have 1 flash frame now. Well find the point of the flash frame on the rendered video and check the timeline. 9 sometimes shifted my cut points to 1 frame after the original cut upon reopening the project. This happened a lot which is one of the reasons i got fed up with it and went back to 7, even though i could no longer edit straight from my AVCHD camcorder files.

Pagz said:

Alrighty, so this time the test render came up with only 1 flash frame. So that's a huge improvement. Here's a question Ady, for your vegas template I notice yours is set to 25 fps (PAL). For those of us working in NTSC should we be going for 24 fps? I chose the 23.97whatever itvc film because that's what my AVI is natively. Is that correct? or should I bump it to 24, or 25?

I'm using Adobe After Effects CS5 version 10.0.0.458 and I'm finding my windows aren't matching yours. For instance my render settings template doesn't include the line: Sotrage Overflow.

Youwould change the framerate to whatever your videos framerate is. For NTSC if you have removed the pulldown already it should be set to 23.976.

But these bugs only seemed to kick in from version 8 and onwards of Vegas and they have never seemed to fix them, which is why i have stuck with version 7

As for after effects, i'm still using CS4 because CS5 is 64bit only and most of my plugins no longer work on that version.  Can't help you with that one then

The text commentary may not be viable for ESB:R as there are so many things done the text would just flash by too quickly to read

I know of the scene you mentioned, but this was probably an alternate take/rehearsal and not  one that was going to be used in the movie and i don't think it was filmed because of what is seen in the movie it wouldn't fit in.  Actually there is no continuity error in this scene. Luke has the detonator in his left in the last shot before he dives out of the way and again as he jumps out of the way of the AT-AT foot.  Then it cuts to the command centre scene so Luke could easily have attached it during this time as he already has it with him.

no, the interiors of the death star was a deliberate decision to make them neutral grey to make them look more like a battleship with its gunship grey interiors. The colours were so messed up in the 2004 dvds that it became difficult to remove the horrible tint and bad colouring without losing subtle shades. I'm hoping that the Blu-Ray set will not have the same problems so i can use that as a basis for ANH:RHD

Is the source you are working with interlaced? If not then you need to make sure that your project & video settings are set to progressive or this will cause problems. If you have your project settings already set to progressive then double check on how vegas is detecting your video file settings. Right click on the video in your timeline and select "properties" then click the "media" tab and check the field order settings. Sometimes vegas will detect progressive video using the lagarith codec as interlaced and this can cause problems.

you can create a custom render settings template in vegas. heres a template i used for my ESB reconstruction, but its pretty universal and all you would need to do is change the framerate and field order if not working with a progressive file.(just right click on the images and select "view image" to view full size)

once you have changed these settings just enter a name for your profile at the top and click on the disc icon to save your template.

When exporting from after effects you need to create a template for the  render settings. go to "edit>templates>render settings" make sure it is set to " best settings" like this:

then click on "edit" These are the settings i use:

now once you have changed these settings click "ok" then when you get back to the render settings screen click "save all" then "Ok"

Now go to "edit>templates>output module" make sure this section is set to these settings:

now click on "edit" and change the settings here to these:

now click on "format options" and select the lagarith codec for your video compression, click on configure and make sure it's set to RGB (default). now you can exit this and go back to your first screen and rename your template to anything you want then again click on "save all".

now you have made your default templates and these should remain your output settings for every video unless you need to change it. I find that it's best to exit after effects and restart it first so the settings kick in.

when you click on "composition>make movie" to output your video it will switch to your render queue. make sure the the render settings and output module are named the same as your custom settings and you're good to go

Which version of Vegas is everyone using ? I stuck with Vegas 7e pro because after that Vegas became buggy as hell. Plus are you working with a video file that has already had the pulldown removed if working with NTSC or are you letting Vegas remove the pulldown?

Ripplin said:

Good stuff! Boy, you sure did add a lot of color back into the scene with Han and the taun-taun! I dunno if I like that much blue in it, but it certainly helps it seem more like a scene at dusk rather than mid-afternoon or something.

Don't forget that you are viewing images that are using PC RGB (0-255) (plus imageshack has changed the embedded colour profile so the colours are slightly wrong on the screenshots), but the final DVD & Blu-Ray versions would be encoded in the standard Studio RGB (16-235).Here's an example below

This is why some edits i have seen are very dark looking. Because many mpeg2 encoders will encode using 0-255 scale instead of DVD/Blu-Ray standard. Also you should never attempt colour correction unless you are working in studio 16-235 or you will get a different looking final output if encoded with a good quality Mpeg2 encoder

Moth3r said:

^ Bingowings     ^ Troy from Benidorm

 

Spot on there Moth3r. lol

just a quickie. I mentioned a while ago that revisited will eb having a different colour pallet than the one that was seen on both my AVCHD SE & theatrical reconstruction DVD. The colour correction was never completed when i released those. So here is a set of comparisons between the 2004, AVCHD SE & the final Revisited colour: (just click on image to view full size)

doubleofive said:

 

I don't know if I'm less scared of him now that I think he's closer to my age, or more scared. He's certainly less scary than whatever old leprous guy he had a while ago.

 

I think he's even scarier now i know what he really looks like....

separated at birth

Moth3r:

Sylar

separated at birth

;)

Well i think i'll join in with this party. Only pic i've got really is me slightly drunk at a Kiss concert. Seeing everyone's avatars is really making me feel old now though.

You can paint direct to video using After Effects. Or you could use after effects to render a small section of video as a filmstrip that can be imported into photoshop

I've only ever experienced this bug when working with mpeg NTSC files. It doesn't seem to handle 23.976fps files if the pulldown hasn't been removed first. Things may look ok in the timeline but when rendering it screws up. It seems as if it misdetects the pulldown when rendering which results in the added frames.   This doesn't happen when using lagarith avi though because the pulldown would have already been removed and you're editing at native 23.976. Plus, if you use the lagarith codec you can render out as an an avi file, using the same codec and settings as your project, and it will only re-render the frames/ sections that have had any effects or changes done, so rendering time is significantly cut. Use an external Mepg2 encoder to encode your final video as sony's is pretty lame. I would recommend using procoder3 as this gives the best picture quality than any other mpeg2 encoder that i have experienced, including CCE

VFXFreak said:

Sorry to jump in with a Noob post but, I've only just found the Star Wars Revisited Fanedit and I'm amazed. Adywan has done what I wish I had the time and skill to do myself, only more thoroughly and better than I imagine I could ever do. I've watched the DVD-5 NTSC version of the full edit and would now like to see the Purist Edition. I've found it via Rapidshare but am missing file # 14, which seems to have happened to several posters on this and other forums. If anyone is able to help me, I'd appreciate it.

I haven't done a fan edit of anything myself, but to attempt to establish some Star Wars Geek cred myself, I'd ask anyone who's interested to search for "The Chatty Duelists" by VFXFreak on YouTube to see my Lightsaber version of "The Princess Bride" swordfight. It's nothing like Adywan's work, but it did take some time and care.

Thanks to all of you that do these Fan Edits. I'm now obsessed.

And thanks to TV's Frink for directing me here.

check the rar files you have downloaded. There should be an extra rar file that conatins rar 14. just unpack that file into the same directory as your other rar files

shanerjedi said:

 

But I don't know if the Dagobah remote scenes were ever filmed.

yes, the lightsabre training scene was filmed. I'm pretty sure that for rehearsals a stand-in puppet of Yoda was used and the proper Yoda was only used for filming and, as you can see here, they are not using the stand-in version

STAR WARS

EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

RETURN OF THE JEDI

THE PHANTOM MENACE

ATTACK OF THE CLONES

REVENGE OF THE SITH

xhonzi said:

 You forgot to convert British mbaud to American mbaud.  They only have 7 and 1/3 bits in their bytes, so it's roughly a 1.6:1 ratio.  Also, the distances are actually longer since they use KM in lieu of miles, so you have to factor that in as well.

By my math, that means that their 24mb is actually the same as our -5.4mb.  Assuming that they're still using imperial seconds, that is.

Well if your 5.4mb can download a 4.5gb iso in around 20 minutes then yes it is the same ;)

We're just getting 100mb fibre optic broadband here so i'm preying that BT get their finger out of their ass and start laying some optics in places other than the southern regions

I was paying £25 per month for an up to 8mb connection when it was supposed to be an unlimited usage connection until they changed it. You can get up to 24mb broadband now for around £6.99 per month if you take the providers phone package too, but you only get the cheaper faster service if you phone exchange has been enabled. If it hasn't then you are stuck with the slower more expensive providors

One thing that gets me is that they have managed to make chewies face look like he does in the OT yet lucasfilm made him look completely different for ROTS.I never understood how they could get the face so wrong in ROTS.

The carbon freezing plot is bloody ridiculous though and completely ruins the danger of Han getting frozen in ESB. Lando says that if they put Luke in there it might kill him, so Vader tests it out on Han. Why would he have bothered if he knew it was a safe procedure? And they have Ugnaughts controlling the carbon chamber in TCW so you could take it that they are some sort of experts at carbon freezing, so no danger then. I have a bad feeling that Lucas will add more dialogue in the blu-ray version of ESB:

Lando: "You put him in there it might kill him.

Vader: "no, i've done it myself, it's perfectly safe"

As much as i like TCW, there are moments that just scream fanwank

Here's my attempt at colour boosting the GOUT:

 (warning it's a very large image)

http://img573.imageshack.us/i/goutcolourboost.jpg/

Now every shot has the same settings. All i did was this in After effects:

First i added the levels filter & very slightly lowered the white level (this eliminates blown out high levels that can be caused by the next step), then added the colour correction filter & very slightly lower the red highs & midtones to make the white point white instead of having the red tint.  Next i added the hue/saturation filter & boosted the saturation level to +26. last step was to add another hue/saturation filter and lower the red saturation to -23.  Boosting the saturation levels any more in step 2 and the colours are just too oversaturated  and it looks horrible.

This worked for the entire move apart from one scene which was the lars homestead sale. This already seems to have the blues boosted so all that would need doing for this scene would be to drop the blue & cyan saturation to equal levels (about-11 each). there is already some nasty video noise in the sky tones for this scene in a few shots so not much can be done about that. I have made a preset that can be loaded straight into after effects is anyone is interested in it.