adywan

Darth Id said:

Of course it makes sense.

I've thrown away just about every free CD I've ever been handed.  Only listened to about half of them.  Giving it away diminishes the perceived value off the bat.  (Case in point: eiyosus has linked to an undoubted boundless universe of free music...that I am in no way whatsoever interested in accessing, because the price ($0) is a reliable signal of the likely value of the content (zilch).)

And besides, production value is important, and if the investment into it has been made, it has to be recouped.

Thats got to be the biggest load of rubbish i have read. Just because something is free doesn't mean that it's going to be crap. So you're not interested in any music unless it has high production values and a lot of money was ploughed into it? Well you are missing out on a lot of great music. I guess you're only into all this Pop Idol type crap then?  Just because something has had a high end  production job doesn't mean that its going to be great music or a great artist. Most likely nowadays its the opposite. Look at all the great music around from great artist that have stood the test of time. Many times they just went into a studio, played the songs and things were recorded on the fly. Production values mean crap. If it's a good song then it wouldn't matter if it had a million pound spent on production or it was recorded in one take in a studio.

There are shit loads of great artists out there that just don't get a chance to break into the industry because reality TV like Pop idol and the X-factor have all but killed the music industry, not piracy. Most bands/ artists are manufactured nowadays and are just puppets of the record industry, told what to sing and how to sing it. The only people making any money out of the record industry now are the record companies. Musicians only make money now from touring. 

So what are these artists supposed to do now the industry is so tightly closed? The internet has allowed people to get their music heard. And they can give it away for free. So does this make their music crap. hell no. Even some of the larger established artists are starting to give away their tracks/ albums for free now on the net

Anyway this thread has gone so far off topic its time to bring it back.

Now we know that Luke constructing his lightsabre has been confirmed, there's another scene i really hope that they include in the deleted scenes of the OT. And that is the Dagobah lightsabre training from ESB. After coming across these photos the other day, the scene  has been filmed:

luke.the.darkside.is.fun said:

just leave me alone i an not that guy i even came to u for help i dont wont to fight with anyone

I think you're more likely to be someone like Jedi Tray as your writing styles and quick to snap attitude is very similar. Or is there a lab where they breed people like this?

none said:

Here's the blurb from the 'Star Wars Aficionado - Making of SW 2004/5 & 2007 update' segment on the subject: (nothing definitive)

April (EXACT DATES UNKNOWN)

LARS HOMESTEAD - KITCHEN INTERIOR

One day was spent filming the scene of Shelagh Fraser as Beru talking to Own in their Kitchen, and an additional scene, later cut from the final theatrical cut, of Beru using a milk dispenser.  Fraser's voice would be dubbed for the film's release by an unknown actress (who would then be re-dubbed herself, for unknown reasons, for the STAR WARS TV version in 1982, before having her voice returned for the 1997 SPECIAL EDITION re-release).

http://www.starwarsaficionado.com/backissuepdfcatalog.html

http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/

 

redubbed for the 1982 TV version? Oh, how wrong that article is. The TV version used the mono mix so i wouldn't trust that article,

She appeared in an episode of The Professionals in the 1970's, which was on TV sometime last year. I did have it on my SKY= box, but accidental deleted it. She didn't have a strong accent in it but more of a generic "film" British accent and , from what i can remember, sounded very similar to the voice used in the stereo mix.  If the episode airs again i'll do some proper comparisons

EDIT: i've found an episode she was in online. Here's the clip:

http://hotfile.com/dl/103495529/113acb6/beru.avi.html

ChainsawAsh said:

Aren't Galactic Basic and Aurebesh the same thing (Aurebesh being the alphabet, Galactic Basic being the "language," which is English)?

Either way, that's awesome!  Is it gibberish, or did you give him lines?

I think there is a slight difference but i can't be sure. Erikstormtrooper would probably be able to clear that up. And, yes, R2 has lines.

ChainsawAsh said:

Ah, I guess I never looked close enough to tell it wasn't Aurebesh.  My mistake.

Cue 90 posts in the ESB:R thread asking Ady to replace the X-wing screen text with Aurebesh...

(Actually, it would be a neat way to give R2 lines that only insanely die-hard fans can read...)

It's already been done, but with galactic Basic

Actually i hardly touched the X-wing displays apart from giving them the correct TIE fighter graphic. They look virtually the same apart from that. I didn't touch the TIE displays because we see the same displays in the jedi starfighter in ROTS. And i also only changed the briefing room display and added the holographic table for the rebels, but left all the others alone and i did enhance the death star control room displays slightly but gave the death star countdown a whole new updated display.

What Plans? said:

So I finally got to watch the DVD-9 version.  I don't know if it was just my computer or what... but I noticed several changes to the audio that I didn't expect.  Can anyone tell me if those were intentional? 

I noticed it twice.  In both instances, the dramatic music seems to have decreased in volume, and it's almost difficult to hear.  I played the SL DVD afterward to make sure it wasn't my imagination, and there's definitely a difference.

1. When Vader throws Capt. Antilles after choking him.

2. When the door to Leia's cell closes after she sees the mind probe.

So you're saying that it sounds fine on the SL DVD yet there is a problem on the DVD-9?

Zombie, i noticed something you wrote in  the technicolour screening section

3) Also, there has been some debate over what colour the Death Star interiors should be. Most fan preservations try to get it grey; Adywan was famously a stickler to get totally neutral colours.

This wasn't done because i thought that's how it originally looked, as can be seen in my AVCHD 1080p version. It was a creative decision because i wanted it to look grey and drab to give a militaristic feel, like the inside of a submarine.

brash_stryker said:

Oh it was a lampoon...a simple lampoon.

Was the "as if" there when you posted it? I swear it wasn't!

yeh, I haven't changed anything in the description.

It was actually done because i was having an argument with someone years ago about how the music that was composed originally to fit with each paragraph of the crawl would no longer work with the crawls for any other of the movies because the paragraphs were different length. I said they could be re-timed and set out to prove my point. This was around the time i started on ESB:R. Although i do miss the fact that the original cues were screwed up ever since they added the titles, it isn't something i would ever really consider doing

lol. Why doesn't anyone ever read the videos description when i post them?

Just found something on an old external drive that i did when i first started ESB:R. When i was doing ANH:R i really wanted to have the crawl as it appeared in 1977 without the episode number or title. but decided to scrap the idea due to the crawls on the rest of the saga. When i started ESB:R i decided to do a test to see what it would look like having the crawl match the original 1997 ANH one. I really liked the idea of not having the title or episode number in every crawl and that the crawl would fit back in to the original music cues to how it was originally written. But i dropped it because i had already done ANH:R with the titles. But now i'm going to be redoing ANH:R in 720p i could go back to my original idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEl_X_cqYfM

Can't go through everything that's been posted over the last few days cuz i'm off to bed. catch ya later :)

timdiggerm said:

adywan said:

It will now only have a general "thanks to everyone at OT.com....etc" sort of thing.

Oh good. IMHO you should do this for all three films... the long long long long credits of forum-names on ANH:R is pretty ridiculous.

I don't think it is ridiculous at all. The input i received from people here when i was doing ANH:R was invaluable and i thought it only fair that they be included in the credits. It was too difficult to keep track on who input what or who just posted to say hello etc so i included everyone up until a certain date. The same thing with ESB:R, but this time i noticed that there were some people just coming in without saying anything that would contribute to the edit, that seemed more like they wanted to get their names in the credits and some even admitted as such. But, as i promised to include everyone in the ESB:R credits, i will stick to my word and they will appear, but this will stop from ROTJ:R onwards

@ ImperialFighter

1. What you are seeing is the overlaying of the monitor bleeding over the top of the outer rim of the panel. It's been fixed

2. you are seeing the light from the outside of the chamber reflecting on the chamber as the door fully opens

timdiggerm said:

I know that Ady hasn't done any work at all on the audio yet, all audio in clips is temp, etc. That being said...

I've been watching Building Empire (currently on part 13 on youtube), and there have been several moments of "Restored Score", where portions of Williams' score were excised the final cut of ESB. I suppose that's director's choice, but I quite like some of them. Any word on Ady's thoughts on restoring some of the missing bits of the fantastic score?

No, i'm not restoring any of the unused score

Sevb32 said:

Anyone have an HD source of REVENGE OF THE SITH? He could probably use some of those elements from the deleted Dagobah scene for some the Dagobah creatures in ESB. If he likes those enough, that is.

The deleted scenes are only available in SD but i don't want to use any of those creatures anyway

DarthBo said:

First the announcement of ANH:R Special Edition, and now you're adding extra CG creatures?

I'm not sure I like where this is going!

I love how people complain about something before they even know what it is. All i'm doing is adding some small insects and other small creatures to dagobah. Nothing will be in your face but just there to give dagobah a little more life. Certainly no glowing creatures like in the ROTS deleted scene.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Agreed. Some of the Super 8/70mm dialog sounds better delivered, at least to my ears. Adywan, are you planning on using some of these alternate deliveries?

The quality of the available 70mm sources is horrible and could never be used in the movie. There are a few lines on the "story of.." LP, but the music over the top of the lines kinda rules them out. But theres only two lines i would like to use anyway.

The Aluminum Falcon said:

Also, I was wondering, and forgive me if this has been mentioned before but, Adywan, are you going to show the rebel fleet jumping to lightspeed just before the credits or not? Lastly, with the theatrical ESB bootleg being released, would you consider, color timing the Revisited edit to match this? Though I'm not sure if video degradation might cause inaccurate colors...

No, i won't be having them jump to lightspeed

And i have stated recently that ESB will have a new colour pallet compared to what has been seen already on the AVCHD & theatrical version and even the clips that have been shown.  But working from a bootleg would never be a wise thing to do when colour correcting something

no, there won't be an updated credits list for ANH:RHD. There will only be additions if its for people who are directly involved with anything i need help with when doing the HD version.

In fact the way the credits list is created will be totally changed when i get around to ROTJ:R. It will feature only people who have had a direct input in the edit by working on it or helping out in some other way, but not just for inputting suggestions. The credits list is becoming longer and longer each edit, with many posting a comment just to get on the credits list. It's become a nightmare to keep track on everything so it has to get shrunk down. It will now only have a general "thanks to everyone at OT.com....etc" sort of thing.

Just got mine in the post. Thanks JD. Will watch it tonight and send you my review

I posted my comment when the article first went up. I was not the only one to have had their comments removed at this time, as has already been stated here by others. There were posts after mine that heavily criticized the article, which none were abusive or contained any bad language, but were deleted.  It was only later that the real negative comments were left alone.

twooffour said:

Back then, I've left a whole bunch of comments and responses there, each last of them negative, derisive and snarky, and yet none of them has been removed to this day as far as I can tell - the only ones that hadn't been published in the first place, had cuss words in them.

I then had a brief exchange with the admin, and he confirmed that my post was deleted because of profanity, and they basically only deleted messages when they violate their rules of conduct.

 

So could it be that Adywan just swore a lot? Because they're obviously not removing comments for criticism and snarky attitude... in that case, I'd say don't count with his comments being "reposted" :D

He can, of course, resubmit them without the cuss words anytime :D

There was not a single swear word, or anything that could be mistaken for a swear word in my response. It merely blew his pathetic theories out of the water using facts that are out there from interviews etc and not some made up rubbish like his article was. It was removed for no reason at all. I didn't even verbally attach the writer of the original article in my response, just showed him that his interpretations were wrong. Nothing i wrote would have violated their rules of conduct.

I have no interest in resubmitting my response only for it to be deleted again.

RoccondilRinon said:

Isn't Ady married himself? Silly trolls.

yeh, i am. which is one of the reasons i found this guys trolling comment quite funny. He said that i should "Find a girl. Now.", yet i'm married and his facebook status was "single". Epic fail there buddy.

TML said:

Hey, I'm just curious, why is the Facebook page now "Request to Join"? Was there some problem?

We just recently started getting people commenting on videos that had no interest in the edit and were just out to be abusive, but being an open group we couldn't ban them from the group or prevent them from posting comments.

none said:

Tobar wrote: The interior of the cave was shot at ILM on their stage.

Nice this adds some credibility to my cereal theory.  Never realized movie theaters were such sticklers for having the movie play on the half hour that they would eliminate a whole showing instead of shifting times by 5-10 minutes...

Not really. In the cut scene 3P0 was clearly shot outside against a real background, while the commercial is clearly a set. Also the cave entrance in the commercial is a different shape altogether.

Lord Grievous said:

Sorry to backtrack to this topic again Ady, but it's just that I think your version of the holo scene (received for a donation) was damn near perfect.

This latest version has his right eye so dark it seems like he's got a black eye, and that smile (in my opinion) doesn't belong there.

As always, it's your edit, but I just wanted to clarify that I never complained about your first edit of this epic scene.

I think your seeing something that isn't there. Both eyes are actually lighter in the final version than they ever were in the donator clip. The smile reflects the way he smiles in ROTJ and also a nod to the original. The 2004 version was just so unemotional that he looked like he was falling asleep. Also i don't see why you thought you needed to clarify that you never complained about the first clip.

Lord Grievous said:

Since when can you discuss opinions, you can agree or disagree with them, period.

Of course you can discuss opinions. Isn't that what a forum is for. If people really don't want anyone to discuss their opinions then maybe they should not post them in the first place. Everything is open for discussion in here.

vaderios said:

ImperialFighter said:

Actually Grythandril is right. The schematics shows clearly the intention of the filmakers and the low budget flipped shots of the bridges

I suggested ages ago ady erase/paint the bounty hunter shots where the plate is static with a more open area like we see in the establishing shot but i think i took the answer that the bounty hunter meeting wasnt supposed to be in the bridge. The cropped version works perfectly :)

Making this part wider eliminates any continuity error 

 

-Angel

Whoever did those schematics really needs to watch the movie again. The layout of the walls/ doors is completely incorrect.

The bounty hunter scene is not supposed to be taking place on the bridge. You can see that the windows have been blocked out by adding panels and in the wide shot you can see they added a wall to the left side. You can also see the section where the bounty hunter scene takes place during the commander hologram scene just prior to Vaders conversation with the Emperor, as the windows have the same panelling. With the changed background when you see vader walk off at the end there is no continuity errors between the sets now

SpenceEdit said:

Maybe that just makes me slightly retarded, but I've used Sony Vegas for years and I can do pretty much anything I can think of. I could never get the hang of Adobe's layout in either Premiere or After Effects. It's just not logical. It doesn't flow with your thoughts.

For instance, I want to lay part of a shot over another shot. So I cut half the shot off and drag it over the other one. That would make sense, right? But nooooooo, you have to have this setting, then that setting, then opacity, then animate, then pre-render 12 times, then make three seperate masks that can't touch, and finally by the time you get there you scrap the idea because it ain't worth the aggravation. I feel like if I did something the exact same way twice, the results would be different each time.

I don't know where you get the idea that you have to do all of that stuff with After Effects, because i can assure you that you don't have to at all. I'd never even touched After effects or anything like it when i started ANH:R and i found it unbelievably easy. I never pre render anything. If i want to overlay part of a shot over the top of another then that's all i do. Then use the mask tool to mask out only the section i need to keep and thats it. If the image is slightly unstable compared to the footage you have overlayed it upon so it looks like its moving  then you can either stabilise it or track the motion of the original to make it match.

Grythandril said:

The scene at the start showing main shot of the bridge, i  noticed that either side of the main door is shown but not the roof of the door.  This is shown in other parts of the movie.  Will you be adding that in?

You don't see the top of the door in any other shot in the movie. Unless you mean the lower ceiling sections at the bottom of the stairs. These can't be added in or it would chop to whole top section of the ceiling matte and would ruin the composition

The smile was a nod to the original Emperor who smiles at the exact same point.

I've given up on this video. No matter what i do there will be complaints. First the face is too static and that the original emperors face is more emotive, then i add the smile at the same point as the original Emperors smile and some motion to the face, then the face needs to remain more emotionless.

So that's it. No more videos. I'm spending so much time going back over videos i have posted trying to please everyone that i'm wasting time that could be spend on other scenes. When i get to the point that i'm pleased with a shot, i should stop there. I'm never going to please everyone and things just then get bogged down. 

I'm pretty sure that some people thing i can perform impossible things. You have to remember that i can only work with what i have available with  existing footage, etc. The only way i could do the emperor any better now would be to pay Ian to reprise his role in this scene and get him to wear a prosthetic that matches his ROTJ one. But we all know that this is never going to happen.

rpvee said:

It's a trick of the mind indeed, Ady.  And synchronization aside, when he says "He could destroy us", the lips don't close to make an "s" sound.  That's really my only nitpick, personally.

your lips don't close to make an "s" sound, they remain partially open, which the emperor does here.