adywan

Harmy said:

And I think DJ is using the Flunk version, which I think was said to be a straight port of the digi tapes used as a source of the TV broadcasts and that's why it is so much better than the others. And it would IMO also mean that the smearing is due to DVNR and not the way it was captured.

No, it would depend on what card they used to capture the tape to the PC. This kind of smearing was very common with cheaper early capture cards. i had one years ago and it did the exact same thing, but there was no way of stopping it.

yeh, that is pretty bad. that's is all down to the codec used for capturing. The only thing i can suggest for this scene would be to use the 2004 version and colour correct it to match the '97 and mask out the wipe in after effects for the 97 jabba. Send me the scene and i'll see if i can do something with it

If you notice, the shape of the structure resembles the hallways in the gantry structure on Cloud City. I always saw this as a prophecy of Luke's impatience  to save his friends and thus face Vader before he was ready, could lead to the dark Side and that is why Luke's face is in the helmet. Like father like son

I think the flash/glow as the sabers are in contact with each other is a PT addition to the sabers that they actually got right and improved them. But all the other changes to the sabers like removing the flickering, giving them pointed ends  & making them too sharp ruined the PT sabers.

Ripplin said:

I have a question: was that creaking noise (metal being pulled away from wall) at around 2:39 always there, or was it emphasized more for the 2004 DVD? I don't like it. It's so...prominent. :/

The audio i used was the stereo track ripped from the GOUT

All the sabers have been re-rotoscoped. Colour correction just wouldn't fix the mess that the 2004 sabers are.

Well, as i am in a great mood today because it's my Birthday i thought i would give you all a little treat. here is a comparison video that shows the difference between the 2004 official DVD lightsabers and how they will look in ESB:R.

Enjoy :)

http://youtu.be/jHpZcbcx-b4?hd=1

The Prune face costume is another example of how "cheap" ROTJ looked by reusing old props & costumes. Underneath the cape he is wearing the Hoth Trooper vest

muddyknees2000 said:

adywan said:

Thanks guys. been out for a meal and a night out with my wife, daughters and their boyfriends so i'm a bit worse for wear at the moment , but had a good night out. Will probably pay for it the next day but who cares . lol

 I'm willing to bet you could use a few days off

I could really use a few months off , but ive got no chance of that if i have any chance to meet the Dec 2011 deadline

Thanks guys. been out for a meal and a night out with my wife, daughters and their boyfriends so i'm a bit worse for wear at the moment , but had a good night out. Will probably pay for it the next day but who cares . lol

dark_jedi, i hope you don't mind me asking, but what software are you using to author the Blu_rays?

There is a tenancy with the 97 DVB rips for the colour to be pink/ red shifted. The smearing is caused by the crappy capture software available at the time. The TV PC cards really couldn't handle and movement and this is why the smearing occurred.

As for your latest screenshots, the 2004 3P0 shot looks better than the '97 apart from the fact that they dialled the yellow hue to more of a green (which is common in the 2004 versions), but for the vader shot, , the '97 is closer to the original colour.the 2004 has a strange greenish/ cyan tint to it, which was never there originally.

An interesting fact about the Tantive Iv corridors that i received pretty recently from someone who worked on ANH. The corridors are white, with the insets being a very pale/ sky blue and the panels boxes being white. They forgot to add the pale blue colouring to the insets when recreating the hallway for ROTS. So, in fact, the 2004 colouring of some of the hallway shots where we see the pale blue colouring of the insets is the true colour.

This history Channel HD showed a cut version of Empire of dreams, but it wasn't in HD , only an upscaled version. There has never been a HD version of it.

They couldn't even do a proper NTSC to PAL conversion for the regional DVDs for EOD. The PAL versions looks horrible. Star Wars: The legacy revealed was a completely different Doc

Jaitea said:

Congrats Ady, I'm 2 years behind you but my eldest is 12 so I hope it will be a wile till I'm a gramp, anyway did notice something funny about that font, the way it behaves when f&i are placed beside each other.....

i did say it's only a rough version. the text has only been created to get the angle speed etc correct and is only set to DVd res at the moment. I have to do the high resolution text file to send him

Ripplin said:

Blimey, that must make you feel old! :p (what are you, a spry 45 or so?)

I turn 44 on Tuesday. And yeh, i do feel old now. I think it's funny that she found out she was pregnant today of all days on George Lucas' birthday. the force is going to be strong with this one. I've already picked seen some Star wars babygrows. She is going to hate me. lol

This is the rough version of the crawl. the full quality render for the logo and text hasn't been done yet. It's only at DVD res at the moment:(click to see larger versions)

On another unrelated note, i am going to be celebrating a little tonight so any later posts may become a little garbled. lol. I have just found out today that i am going to become a Grandad :)

Well the receding logo and crawl are created in 3dsmax and exported as png image sequences with an alpha channel. Then these are imported into after effects and a few tweaks are added such as a slight perspective change and the gradient change (darkening) as it goes into the distance. It's also only set for 720p. I don't know if he will want to release his 3dsmax project file but i'll ask.

yeh, it was 2 people in stormtrooper costumes shot against blue/ green screen . It was pure laziness on the part of the effects team that they just composited a mirrored copy on the opposite side of the street. Did they seriously think that no one would notice? Like i said before, that is one shot that i will be changing

They aren't CG troopers during the street shot. then only Cg trooper is the one that gets off the Dewback when the droids are outside of the cantina

I really don't see what the problem people have with the entrance to mos Eisley is. There is hardly any Cg in there at all. All the buildings etc were models. Only the speeder and some minor stuff that is left in the revisited edit was actually CG. People complain because they see Mos Eisley as this small spaceport and the SE turned it into something larger. Well it was always supposed to be a lot larger and , before anyone says it, no i'm not taking this from the Lucas revision. The falcon was parked at docking bay 94. that means that there is at least 93 other docking bays so it has to be a larger place than we originally thought. It was actually one of the only additions i thought was right in the special editions (apart from the crap droid and ronto/jawa humour and stupid ronto blocking the camera). The only thing i would probably change is the mirrored stormtroopers

Harmy, i see that you are having the same flickering problems i was with the crawl in after effects. Well i did manage to cure a lot of it before i went down the 3DsMax route. If you are doing your project in 1080p then you will need to create the crawl in 4k then scale it back down to 1080p outside of after effects because it has a really bad scaler. Now because you are using a 3d layer you should be able to use depth of field to give the text a slight blur as it recedes into the distance, which should cure most of the flickering problem, although at 4k you might find that there is hardly any flickering anyway, but this depends on the quality of the text being used. If your text is a transparent image then you could always try edge blur if depth of field doesn't work. Other things you could try is by adding an extra layer of the text crawl underneath and mask the  bottom layer so that the bottom blurred layer only starts to show as the text is starting to flicker (which would be the upper portion of the text to start with)

Hope this helps

doubleofive said:

 

Harmy said:

adywan said:
I've seen many attempts to re-create the crawl but everyone i have seen have had the same problems: as the crawl recedes the texts begins to flicker & strobe. It's an anti-aliasing problem which after effects really suffers with. 

Yeah, the aliasing is indeed a problem, it's the only thing that bugs me about my 1977 crawl I recreated using the original elements. I tried blurring the end slightly but it only helped a little.

Maybe Ady can help...

 

It wouldn't be any good to anyone that wants to recreate a crawl for a preservation because it just wouldn't match because of the timing, sizing etc. otherwise i would be more than willing to help Harmy

Andreas is the guy who is doing the CG work for me

Han: "That wasn't a laser blast, something hit us" ;)

When things in a film gets a full blown explanation, that's when i lose interest. Its the main reason why i ignore any EU explanations. It's a fantasy film. I don't care if they are lasers, phasers or green strings of snot ;)

On another note For the past few weeks Andreas and myself have been testing out something and i'm really happy with the results. What is it? Well the title crawl. I've seen many attempts to re-create the crawl but everyone i have seen have had the same problems: as the crawl recedes the texts begins to flicker & strobe. It's an anti-aliasing problem which after effects really suffers with. Well we tested it out using 3dsmax and these problems have been ironed out. So ESB:R will have a new logo & crawl. the text will be the same but this means i will be able to have matching crawls for every film in the Revisited saga instead of the mismatched ones we have now.

Monroville said:

Uhh, but the gun is recoiling.  If the gun was moving into position, the gun barrel wouldn't be snapping back the same way it does when you see it actually shoot.  In fact, wouldn't the entire ball turret be moving if it was prepping for a shot?

it isn't recoiling. The gun is coming out from inside the ball and the ball is moving into place. In the firing shot earlier in the movie you can see that the gun comes from inside the ball before it takes it's first shot. Like i said all this is clear when you see the whole sequence