adywan

Angel said:

@Ady: I recall that in one of your previous videos you fixed the damn glow on han's head when he first passes on the rounded window (when ILM changed the Background to a sunset one but the remains of the day shot was there) I was wondering if you can calm down the glows arround the heads of han lando leia and chewie when they pass on the new opened windows.

I was working on this before i posted the video but, as it had taken me 4 days just to get half of the one shot done, i didn't have enough time to finish it. So here is how it will look. As you can see the glows have been almost eliminated and recovered lost detail :

I couldn't fix the shot before this one though, but as the end of the hall is really bright, i don't think it matters.

There will be no  ore videos posted to youtube any more. there are a bunch of idiots (from blu-ray.com) that have decided to be complete assholes and block disliking all my videos, reporting them as inappropriate and for copywrite breaches and creating multiple accounts and flooding my inbox with crap and threats and stupid ass comments. and if anyone backs me up they all gang up and give multiple thumbs down which hides everyone comments.  Youtube makes it that you can't see all the ones that are doing this so you can block then, so stuff youtube.

Loconut said:

adywan said:

Loconut said:

I'd like to address another teeny tiny fixer-upper I've mentioned before. It's easily taken care of with trimming a couple of frames:

Around 2:08 in the clip after Lando says: "Everyone is invited of course", you see Han walking up, offering his arm and Leia turning her head towards him. However, in the closer shot the head turning is repeated.

Just curious: Ady, have you already test shot your models by any chance?

changing this by cutting a few frames creates another problem. In the first shot where Leia is about to turn her head, Han is still walking towards her, so you would have to cut the first few frames from the next shot. But, because han hasn't stopped walking at the end of the first shot, this causes him to have come to a sudden halt if you trim the frames. I'm going to leave it as it is.

I understand :) So, how about your models? (They look so awesome)

Ive done a couple of tests just to see how well the camera performs filming miniatures and its pretty good from what i can tell. But i need to get some extra lighting because you have to throw hell of a lot of light at them just to get the correct exposure, so i can't do a full test until i have the correct lighting..

pittrek said:

Wow, all my comments posted 1 hour ago have now "too many negative votes" :-) There must be a quite big group of people who are checking the official channel all the time

you'll probably find that its the same few that have made multiple accounts just so they can vote multiple times.

pittrek said:

Is somebody checking the comments on YouTube ?

The best voted comments are personal insults on Adywan, and all comments which defend him are hidden, because they "received too many negative votes". The interesting thing is that most of the people (actually ALL which I checked till now) have registered on youtube ONLY to write these insults. Could these guys be LFL employees ? Any ideas ?

It's certain members over at blu-ray.com. The same bunch that like to throw personal insults like little kids in a playground.

Loconut said:

I'd like to address another teeny tiny fixer-upper I've mentioned before. It's easily taken care of with trimming a couple of frames:

Around 2:08 in the clip after Lando says: "Everyone is invited of course", you see Han walking up, offering his arm and Leia turning her head towards him. However, in the closer shot the head turning is repeated.

Just curious: Ady, have you already test shot your models by any chance?

changing this by cutting a few frames creates another problem. In the first shot where Leia is about to turn her head, Han is still walking towards her, so you would have to cut the first few frames from the next shot. But, because han hasn't stopped walking at the end of the first shot, this causes him to have come to a sudden halt if you trim the frames. I'm going to leave it as it is.

New clip:

http://youtu.be/xVZqn3tMXdk?hd=1

Ziggy Stardust said:

adywan said:

EPISODE 5

The highest rated comment on that video is "adywan is a loser with no life."

Ziggy has a sad.

It's the sad little fuckers who worship Lucas from Blu-ray.com that have started all this shit. Started getting shit off that theElBorak after it all kicked off over there and now the other morons have started. First one i got off him was "get a fucking job and stop sponging off the government you sad fucker." that one made me laugh because i don't receive any benefits. lol

Some new videos posted on the star wars youtube channel with footage for all 3 of the OT but the footage is in German. Got to say that the cyan tint looks to have gone from Hoth

EPISODE 4

EPISODE 5

EPISODE 6

Alexrd said:

And how many of them are finished. (We know from the Watto shot that some of them are not.)

What Watto shot? What have i missed?

Alexrd said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Star Wars BD: D7 - Extended Scenes Ep 1-3 - [46:10]

Star Wars BD: D8 - Extended Scenes Ep 4-6 (Part 1) - [27:48]
Star Wars BD: D8 - Extended Scenes Ep 4-6 (Part 2) - [19:33]

45min of deleted scenes for each trilogy? I thought it was for the whole saga. If those are in HD, I might consider buying the saga boxset.

What i want to know i, why is are the deleted/ extended scenes for the OT split into two? And i wonder just how much of this runtime will include introductions about why they were deleted

ChainsawAsh said:

Ady - have you heard anything about the quality of the deleted scenes from your source?

I asked him about the deleted scenes but haven't heard anything back from him yet

Asaki said:

Hey Adywan, have you tried your hand at test color corrections on any of these Blu shots yet?

Obviously there's going to be compression artifacts, but I'm wondering if Vader's saber can go back to red without fudging up the rest of the picture.

Actually i was just doing a quick test. Now all i did here was adjust the hue for Magenta.

Now why couldn't Lucasfilm do something as simple as this?

I have also downloaded the HD version of the trailer and it does indeed look bad for the older docs as the reported problem does seem to exist in the two shots shown, while the rest of the trailer doesn't suffer with these problems. Well all apart from the shot of R2 and the wampa that definitely has some field problems

Well it doesn't loon  good for the special features disc (disc 9) for anyone hoping that we're going to get high quality versions of the old docs. Looks like Lucas is pulling a 2006 bonus DVD on us again. I've been having some PM's with someone that knows a bit about the sources used for the discs and i was sent this reply (edited to removed clues to identity)

Ady

After your recent conversations with [deleted] i was asked to contact you because i have a little more knowledge on this subject.

I do know that there have been some minor color alterations but i cannot comment on the extent because this was not my department.

The original special feature documentaries will only be on the final disc in the complete saga collection. These, however, could only be presented in standard definition. While there are copies of 16mm prints for these documentaries, there was no green light given to use these for the source of the special features. Instructions were given to find the digital masters which were used for the original release versions. I am unsure if these were the same used for the VHS or laserdisc copies but a colleague informed me that these masters were produced in the 1980's or 1990's (although i cannot confirm this). As far as i am aware no post production work was done on these masters  to prepare them for the Blu-Ray collection. Having seen [deleted] at [deleted] there seems to be some issues with digital artefacts caused by the interlaced source used and from the original digital conversion. The same procedure was used for some deleted scenes seen in the Empire of Dreams documentary as these scenes were also taken from older digital copies.

He went on to give me some more information that i cannot post here because it may reveal his identity. So it doesn't look good for all of the original trilogy stuff then :(

danny_boy said:

But they simply pale in comparison to the 2004 DVD.

That is why most reviewers reacted positively at the time of it's release:

The films look nothing short of fantastic: vastly better than you can have ever seen them before

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3680820.stm

Why do you think they wrote that---because resolution and sharpness also count.

Quality control also encompasses those factors too.

 

I guess you left out the next line of that review out for a reason

Now we all know just how screwed up the 2004 mix for ANH was so this reviewer hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. John williams soundtrack is almost buried underneath the damn sound effects, reversed in the surround channels and missing during the death star dive.

At least as much as the visuals, it's the sound that grabs you: from the opening boom of John Williams's score to all the background detail, the soundtrack is alive.

Now we all know just how screwed up the 2004 mix for ANH was so this reviewer hasn't got a clue what he is talking about. John Williams' soundtrack is almost buried underneath the damn sound effects, reversed in the surround channels and missing during the death star dive.

danny_boy said:

adywan said:

well danny_boy is spouting his shit again, but he isn't goading me into getting suspended. Funny how he hasn't got the bottle to come back in here, where we can actually have a discussion about these problems without being suspended or banned, to post the same crap he's been posting over there with his camera shot/ vcd proof. But that's because people here don't just blindly follow all the crap excuses for all the errors and here they know the errors with the 2004 transfers and can prove him wrong. Bloody pink lightsabres...

originally posted by fanny_boy:

LOL!

I guess it's just a coincidence that only the scenes in that techniclor print that contain vader's saber are the one's where the white balance of the camera that took these fotos was thrown out(convenient huh?)

Seriously ---when are you going to understand/concede that the original versions never had any consistency(which is something to be acknowledged and quite frankly celebrated).

And your very subjective bias that the 2004 DVD(and the hidef master from which it is derived) is an inferior product is laughable.
In terms of clarity,dynamic range and resolution,it is light years ahead of any previous laserdisc/VHS transfer.

That is why you used it as the basis for your own fan edit?

Just thought I would highlight that contradiction.

For the record I really like your edits.
But that is all they are and ever will be-- an exceptionally well executed fan edit---nothing more or less.

I hope you understand that.

How come these mindless followers feel the need to bring my edits into the argument, when they have nothing to do with the subject? And the other thing they bring up is clarity and resolution. You can present a turd in HD but it will still be a turd. Don't these people even care about quality any more?

They do seem to be like a little cult (or something that sounds quite similar. lol). The way they all gang up on anyone who has their own opinions about the movies.

 

 

Well I guess provoking me by distorting my username is one way to bring me over here---lol!

If the 2004 DVD is a turd---then why use it's template as the basis for your own edit?

Why not use the 1997 or 1993 laserdiscs?

Oh wait---it is because they are inferior to the 2004 DVD.

 

 

 

well you want to provoke me over at blu-ray.com because you know i'll get either suspended or banned if i continued the argument and the little cult of Lucas posse just constantly spout the same old crap.

My god, you are really pathetic coming out with crap like that. yet again you are the same as the other worshippers that have to bring my edits into the discussion. The amount of work i had to put into the 2004 sets to get them anywhere near acceptable was ridiculous. Why should it be up to the fans to do all this kind of work just because Lucasfilm screws things up over and over again? But even then they're still pretty crap because of the crushed blacks. The films were restored in 1997 and these were the versions that were the most faithful to the technicolor print than the horrendous crap that is the 2004 version. And your arguments that the 2004 version is the closest we have ever had to how star wars originally looked is laughable. Let's post some of the stuff you have said over at blu-ray.com just so people know what all this is about:

Origin ally Posted by danny_boy

Only if it does not conform to what you and the other Adywan influenced believers---want to believe.

But the 2004 DVD and the corresponding Hidef master from which it is derived is as as close as we have EVER gotten to the original:

Tech print on left/darker 2004 DVD on right:

As for Adywan--he fled to OT.com and shamlessly baited me from there.

And regarding the 1997 special edition---it is the screen shots that you don't show--like this one from my own VCD that was released in 2000 that prove that you see only what you want to see(the so called flaws in the 2004 version----even though those flaws(i.e a predominantly pink saber) have always been there :



And for the record---I have no problem with Vader's saber being pink.
It's so funny because your mate Adywan can't even bare Mace's purple saber in ATOTC.

Those 1997 special editions,in terms of resolution, never got past the inferior quality of laserdisc and VHS ports---except on one occasion......

Some clips from the these 1997 special editions were used for the empire of dreams documentary in 2004---and hence they were anamorphically enhanced theyby increasing their effective resolution and qualitybeyond what was possible with laserdisc(or VHS)

And the result---Vader's saber retains it's original pink tint(just like it would do in the actual 2004 DVD):



Consider yourself thouroughly debunked.

Actually the core of Vader's lightsaber is pinkish/white with a mild red outer glow.

And the 2004 DVD honored this fact which can be confirmed in the below comparison:

1977/1981 Technicolor print on the left/2004 DVD on the right.



In other words the 2004 DVD(and it's hidef master--to be used for the blu rays) is a faithful(although different ) rendition of the original cinematic print(in terms of color reference).

It is because they are not flawed!

You claim older source material from the 1970's/1980's is not reliable as a reference---yet the original making of star wars documentary actually broke down the composition of the sabers:

Here is the original optical element used for both Obi and Vader's sabers:
Note the extreme red:



And here it is superimposed in the final composite(as seen in the same 1977 documentary):



Which conforms to both the 2004(and hence blu ray)DVD and 1977 techniclolor print:

This was all from the argument that vaders saber glow was never pink but in fact red. Now you constantly kept going on about how the photos taken at the baltimore technicolor print screening proved that the 2004 versions is faithful to how it looked originally. Even when we told you that we were talking about the glow and not the core you kept posting all this above, which actually proved our point because Vaders glow is clearly red in your screenshots.  Even the shots you show to try and prove your point that Vaders core is pink (not the technicolor shots because everyone can clearly see that the white balance is off,) actually have white cores. If you are seeing pink then you seriously either need to get your monitor sorted or get your eyes checked. And while you are at it you really do need to do these two thing if you thing that the technicolor screenshots look in anyway the same as the 2004 versions. The colour pallet is totally different. But, as i have said before, you can't use images taken from a cinema screen as proof as to how it actually looked unless these pictures were taken by someone who had set up a correct white balance previously to this and used the correct exposure. This cannot be used for accurate representation if someone has just used auto settings on a digital camera.

Now look at the final screenshot in that batch . you are seriously saying that the 2004 versions are faithful to the colouring featured in the technicolor print? Vaders glow is pink/ magenta in the 2004 shot while you can clearly see that it has a prominent RED glow in the technicolor screenshot. In the shot from the making of, again clearly a red glow.

And what the hell has the fact that i can't stand Mace's purple lightsabre have anything to do with how i perceive the correct colouring of the sabres to be?

Why is it that you think that anything that came before the 2004 versions is inferior just because of lower resolution? You and your cult members think that just because the image is sharper or higher definition that it's superior. Well i'm sorry to burst your bubble but it isn't.  If they hadn't screwed about with the transfer and just given us how the films colouring looked in 1997 then they would have been perfect. Those are the versions that are more faithful to how they looked originally not the 2004 versions, as these are far from how the films have ever looked.

Now why did i use the 2004 version for my edit? well that is easy. there were no high quality copies of the 1997 or original versions available. When combining new FX with original material i needed to use the highest resolution versions available. And it's thanks to people like you and the cult of Lucas why we will only ever get an inferior release of the original trilogy. Your types would buy a piece of crap as long as it come from Lucas and had the star wars logo on it and you have proved that by saying just how superior the 2004 versions actually are. Even when the flaws are pointed out to you in great detail you continue to argue that the 2004 versions are how star wars has always looked and that only "adywan influenced" people believe the colour of these versions is completely screwed up.

Now it looks like the Blu-rays have gone even further with screwing up the lightsabre colours, but there will still be those that will argue that they are how they have always meant to be.

Now that is all i have to say. I have proved my point and have proved your points to be incorrect. I will not reply to any more of your posts about the true red colour of the lightsabres

EDIT: sorry Moth3r, i was typing all that out before your post appeared.

well danny_boy is spouting his shit again, but he isn't goading me into getting suspended. Funny how he hasn't got the bottle to come back in here, where we can actually have a discussion about these problems without being suspended or banned, to post the same crap he's been posting over there with his camera shot/ vcd proof. But that's because people here don't just blindly follow all the crap excuses for all the errors and here they know the errors with the 2004 transfers and can prove him wrong. Bloody pink lightsabres...

originally posted by fanny_boy:

LOL!

I guess it's just a coincidence that only the scenes in that techniclor print that contain vader's saber are the one's where the white balance of the camera that took these fotos was thrown out(convenient huh?)

Seriously ---when are you going to understand/concede that the original versions never had any consistency(which is something to be acknowledged and quite frankly celebrated).

And your very subjective bias that the 2004 DVD(and the hidef master from which it is derived) is an inferior product is laughable.
In terms of clarity,dynamic range and resolution,it is light years ahead of any previous laserdisc/VHS transfer.

That is why you used it as the basis for your own fan edit?

Just thought I would highlight that contradiction.

For the record I really like your edits.
But that is all they are and ever will be-- an exceptionally well executed fan edit---nothing more or less.

I hope you understand that.

How come these mindless followers feel the need to bring my edits into the argument, when they have nothing to do with the subject? And the other thing they bring up is clarity and resolution. You can present a turd in HD but it will still be a turd. Don't these people even care about quality any more?

They do seem to be like a little cult (or something that sounds quite similar. lol). The way they all gang up on anyone who has their own opinions about the movies.

good to see you over here georgec. I think you'll like your new home here.

That discussion over at the blu-ray forums is getting pathetic, especially the ones coming from danny_boy. no matter how much solid proof you give them there are those who continually refuse to listen. The whole red vs pink/magenta sabre thing is laughable. You have people like danny_boy posting screenshots comparing photos taken at the  technicolor Baltimore showing and comparing them to the 2004 editions and saying how faithful the 2004 versions are when its clear that they look nothing alike. And then there's the whole pink sabre core thing. Even though we have been clearly talking about the glows of the sabres turning from red in every version pre 2004, to ink/ magenta glows since 2004 he continues to post images to say that the cores were always pink with a mild red glow, thus actually proving our point about the colours of the glows. But then he continues to post images taken from VCD's and other sources to continue to say the cores were pink, yet almost every one he posted the cores were clearly white in his pictures. He's either viewing these pictures on a seriously bad monitor or he has problems with colours. He likes to bring me into his arguments and call anyone who agrees with me on the subject of the colouring of the 2004 DVD's as "mindless followers of Adywan" or things like this:

Only if it does not conform to what you and the other Adywan influenced believers---want to believe

Well, i actually think that last one is a good thing. If i'm influencing people to be able to see the colouring errors of the 2004+ versions, then I'm quite happy about that ;)

It wouldn't surprise me if i get another suspension or fully banned this time while people like danny_boy will go unpunished, even though he likes to resort to personal insults. There are some moderators there that do seem to side with the "george" worshippers while even the site manager, Deciazulado, gave clear arguments that the sabres were indeed red and never pink throughout the trilogy. I don't see them daring to insult him though.

are you using imgburn to burn your DVD's? I haven't heard of any modern players and certainly no Blu-Ray players that won't play burned DVDs.

I would also highly recommend the PS3 as this is fully up-datable in the future, unlike some standalone blu-ray players.

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Smell that?

What!

dts hd master audio on bluray!

I love the smell of dts hd ma bluray melting plastic in the morning.

 

For a 40+ year old bloke you sure act like a whiney little girl. Maybe locking yourself in your little room watching your laserdiscs in your underwear  has fried your brain a little.I thought i would fix your comment to reflect what you really wanted to say...

Jedi Temple34 said:

 

Smell that?

What!

dts hd master audio on bluray!

I love the smell of my underpants getting moist when i'm listening to DTS-HD MA the morning.

lol

kenkraly2007 said:

The pink hue  is not going to be on the actual blu-rays some of you on here are over re-acting. I will be buying this set if some of you are not that's fine.

How do you know this? Do you have the Blu-Ray? Why don't you wait until the Blu-rays actually come out before you start saying that there is no pink hue. I'm sure that the collars of the  blu-rays will be pink and you need to stop complaning because it is george lucas film and he is god and don't you dare say anything against him kenkraly. You hear me. Now stop it. I will not say it again. Your just mean

;)

But seriously, why the hell is there still an argument going on over at blu-ray.com about the bloody pink sabres? Idiots like danny_boy still claim that they were supposed to be pink because a photo taken from a cinema screen shows it (even though it the core that is pink and the glow, which everyone was talking about, is red). And then they are using old promotional material where vaders sabre looks pink. It's all pathetic. The colours are screwed on most of the lightsaber shots and vaders sabre swaps from pink to red. how can this be intentional if his sabre was always supposed to have been pink?  yet they ignore the fact that the sith sabres in the prequels are bloody red all the way though. If they were supposed to be pink all the time in the OT then why the hell did they make them red in the PT?

How can people really just say "i don't care how bad the colours of the set looks, it's star wars on blu-ray. i'm going to buy it anyway because it's how george wants the films to look"? Brainwashed sheep

Bingowings said:

Well read different elsewhere.

Alexandre O. Philippe said

You know that's interesting because it really reminded me of, there's a guy, who's actually in the film, whose name is Adywan he's essentially a God among fan-editors. 

lol. Don't let Anti-matter see that. He'd probably have an aneurysm. ;)

twooffour said:

Really??

The menus were quite neat and creative, but seriously, they looked 5 times more fake than the worst cases of CG in EpII.
Which is alright for a menu, but come on, look at Obi-wan fighting Jango in the language selection, then compare it to the scene... really?

And, please tell me where i even mentioned anything about the Cg when i said about how good they looked? I'm pretty sure that i was talking about the colours, crushed blacks etc. And i certainly don't remember Obi-Wan fighting jango in the 2004 DVD menus. Was jango in the OT? Was that  addition to the SE's that i missed ;) Really?

EDIT: I guess you were replying to TVs Frink and not me. Didn't see his post before mine. Sorry

Bingowings said:

Alexrd said:

I guess it's a Star Wars trait. The DVD menus were great, and there was nothing like them on DVD.

I for one will stick my neck out and also say the 2004 DVD menus were great.

Shame about almost everything else though.

The menus were the best thing about the 2004 DVDs. It comes to something when the menus look better than the films themselves; correct colours, no crushed blacks, just how the films should have looked. There seemed to be more care put into the creation of those menus than the end product of the movies.

TV's Frink said:

The funny thing is if you read reviews over there, it's the greatest thing that ever happened to cinema.

That's probably why he never wanted to release it to anyone who isn't a member of his website. It makes you wonder just how many bad reviews he deleted from there and kept only the glowing ones. There would NEVER be any bad reviews for any of his work over there because he would ban them immediately and delete their posts. He thinks he is the god of all fan editors and it wouldn't surprise me at all if somewhere down the line he starts to claim that he started the whole fan edit scene. :)

danny_boy, you want to continue to insult me over at Blu-ray.com just to get me suspended if i retaliate then fine. You have a beef with me then bring it directly to me instead of your pathetic backhanded swipes about me in comments to other members over there.

You're whole argument that "vaders sabre has always been pink" was flawed from the start because you chose to ignore that it was the glow we were talking about and not the core. You used screenshots from the baltimore showing to prove your point, even though the glow clearly showed that vaders sabre was always red. And then you bring 005 into your argument and posted his screenshot of the sabres which had nothing to do with the discussion at all.

Now back on topic kenobi3 over at blu-ray.com just posted this look at the special features disc menu (disc 7) for the prequels:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxbFpm6RtcQ