adywan

The revisited edits WILL NEVER BE SOLD! I also refuse to receive any donations or monetary offers in return for a copy of any of my edits. I sent out over a hundred copies of ANH:R and refused to even accept anything in return for postage or cost of blank discs. I did it all out of my own pocket, which is why i no longer send out copies as the cost became too great, especially when being sent all around the world.  We do not own the copyright of these films and to accept anything in return for copies is something i would never even consider and is also illegal.  So please don't ask. People have in the past offered donations toward the edits in return for a physical copy of the DVD and, no matter how badly i need funds, i have always refused these offers and i always will.

Bingowings said:

At this stage I have nothing to add in regards to ideas for the main edit but it might make for a nice disc extra to present a few key scenes with the unused music score sequences restored and timed to match the action.

Adywan's cleaned up and enhanced saber duel with Williams' unused music would make an interesting curio.

Yes, i'm already planing on doing this for some scenes for the special features section

TMBTM said:

While I think it's good when continuity errors are fixed I really don't think this shirt thing worths buidling a whole new life size Han in carbonite (!) Unless Adywan plans to use it for some other totaly new shots.

The shirts is something that has bothered myself and many other for years. Building a replica is the only way of fixing it really. Building just the shirt could create all sorts of problems trying to match the lighting, steam etc. Plus its something i would need to use again for ROTJ:R. But i'm only building the front face and NOT the whole unit.

ctlw83 said:

Hey, for those who are "in the know" so to speak, I'm just curious about something.  In the ESB revisit, how many effect shots have been re-done/enhanced with new models, new people, etc?  Basically, how much "new" footage has been needed to correct the mistakes of old and/or to enhance existing scenes?

Personally, I have always been interested in videography but, just don't have much time/money to pursue it anymore.

I would hate to start counting them just yet, but you will be able to see just how many have been replaced with the visual changes guide that will be on the blu-ray and DVD

nightstalkerpoet said:

It's funny, because I have agreed with and been amazed by just about everything Ady has thrown our way...

My one disagreement is putting ANH:R HD out before his PT:R. My kids are 1 and 2. I was hoping he'd fix the prequels before they ever had to see them :P And it's amazing what a good upconverting player can do to ANH:R.

There is plenty of ESB:R love... they're just hitting the final shots and stages, so it seems there is a little less new info rolling in.

There will be a lot of preparation needed before beginning the PT as i will be doing all 3 together. Now, while the preperation is being done, i can work on the HD version of ANH. So, even if i did leave ANH:R HD until after the prequels, you wouldn't be getting any of the PT any quicker.

Dark_Lord_of_the_Pith said:

Sharpen your pitchforks.

I was watching Episode II yesterday (yeah, on purpose!) and I noticed a small detail that I'd not seen before so I skimmed through the OT and found that it didn't occur anywhere but it's a detail I think might improve the visuals. Let me explain what I'm on about...

In the scene where Slave One pursues Obi Wan through the asteroids pay close attention to the cockpit window and you will see subtle reflections of the control panel lights in the glass. It's a small detail but I think it looks ever so slightly more "realistic" than the shots from that same ship's cockpit in Episode V. Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am) but in a lot of the behind the scenes footage I've seen from the OT inside the Falcon, the Snow Speeders, Slave One et al cockpits there wasn't any glass built in, only the frame with the blue/green screen behind so there would have been no naturally occuring reflections. Compare the scene in Episode II with Boba following the Falcon from the garbage dump in V and hopefully you'll see what I mean. I think the addition of subtle reflections (something akin to ANHR's holo-chess table's reflections) or perhaps some grime along the window edges would bring the visuals together and make them look a little less "one stuck over another".

I know it would be a stupendous amount of work to put reflections in every window shot (or even to work out if they should be there at all) and I'm not sure your average sane person would even notice if they were there or not but I just thought I'd run it up your flagpole, see if any of you salute it.

The Slave 1 cockpit in the OT is a lot different than the one we see in ESB. For one, the displays are a lot different and brighter. And the cockpit is also a lot brighter in the PT too. this would account for the reflections showing in the PT, whereas the darkness of the cockpit in ESB may not show any reflections. (Well thats my excuse anyway. lol)

Kurgan said:

So people without a blu-ray *burner* or an Xbox 360 will still be able to watch this?

I've added the new fuller change list to the first post and this includes a list of which versions will be available.

thorr said:

Just watched clip 2.rar and it looks great!  One minor observance: In the wide shot where Vader is looking out the windows, the Star Destroyer only appears in one window, but shouldn't the back of it be in the next window over similar to how it is in the blu-ray version above it?  It is hard to tell if it should be there because it might be right on the edge of needing to be there.

I think it would probably be just out of view

ImperialFighter said:

Monroville said:

 

video posted February 5, 2012:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Z1dsAerm0

Notice that the TIEs are not just blue but are the same exact color as the 2004 dvd ... thus the issue is still relevant.

At the risk of keeping this one going even longer, lol...only *some* of adywan's TIEs seem to be the same exact colour of the blu-ray shots seen in the latest preview.

But as I mentioned in my 2nd post on the previous page, there seems to be a noticeably 'greyer' colouration to the 'Revisited' ones seen during the comparison shot of the close-up of the Executor's underbelly, compared to some of his other shots...so I'm not sure if that's meant to look like that, or not.

Stick that Youtube comparison clip on full-screen at it's highest quality to see what I mean.  Pause it if you have to, for a clearer look.

All the TIEs have been tinted with the same settings. the shade would vary depending on the lightings, which is why they may look slightly different . But never trust the colour of Youtube. Here are a few comparisons between the blu-ray and Revisited TIEs. You can see that the revisited TIEs aren't the same blue as the blu-ray versions

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108834

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108835

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/108836

This is the colour i will be sticking with for the TIEs

If you want to see the colour of one of the original TIEs used in ANH then you can see it here:

http://www.geekologie.com/2008/07/tie-fighter-model-used-in-star.php

vbangle said:

To me Yoda should look less blue-green. But let me make this perfectly clear. This only my opinion. I know and accept that my opinon has no bearing on ADYWAN"S edit. But I am free to voice my opinion here, am I not?

Just taking a quick look out in Google Land here are a few pics that look more like I remember Yoda looking.

As compared to this...

 

It is my hope that Adywan will take some time and reconsider the color choices he's made for Yoda. The color differences alone in Yoda's outfit and hair color are striking...surely I'm not the only one here that thinks this?

The publicity photos can't be used as a means for getting the correct colour for Yoda and dagobah. I'm trying to get ESB, for the most part, to look how it did pre 2004. The main problem is that we have been so use to the faded print used for the GOUT that we think that this is the way it originally looked. You would be surprised just how dagaobah originally looked. The 1997 is the closest to how ESB originally looked and, thanks to puggos 16mm print, i can see that the SE is so much closer to how it originally looked than the faded GOUT/ laserdisc prints

Now you can see that i have used a balance between the SE, Puggo and GOUT for the colouring. But this also shows just how incorrect the colouring of the 2004 DVD/ Blu_ray releases is.

Dark_Lord_of_the_Pith said:

This is my first post too but I'm nice so I'll say hello first. So, hello nice to meet you all.

Now, I was wondering if you'd give me your opinions about the communication holograms. In ANHR Leia's hologram looks (to my eyes at least) completely blue in long shots but with flashes of normal colour across her face in close up. The same happens with Luke's in ROTJ save the one shot of his back that appears to be fully blue. But from what I've seen of the new Emperor hologram from TESBR it looks as though Ady has made him completely blue just as Lucasfilm did when Ian McDiarmid re-shot the scene in 2003. So with every single hologram in the PT appearing to be fully blue my question is this: Is there an official scheme Ady is using for holograms in the revisited saga, will PT holgrams be altered to match the OT or vice versa?

I've got to say that I quite prefer the PT holograms but what do the rest of you folks think?

I see the PT ones as early holograms which are black & white and the OT ones as more advanced and they now have colour ;). The emperor hologram isn't completely blue, but there wouldn't be a huge amount of colour as the Emperors face is pretty pale.

negative1 said:

walking_carpet said:

boxofficemojo is saying 7.8 million for weekend estimates.  $3.5 million for saturday estimates.  looks like the friday -> saturday numbers are up across all films (poor ghost rider still got beat by Vow and safe house), but I am a little surprised by this and skeptical.  I was thinking 7.8 million for weekend and presidents day total. 

they also say this, which i find very interesting:

-----

Still, by Sunday The Phantom Menace's total gross will exceed the original Star Wars ($461 million), which will make it the highest-grossing entry in the series and fourth highest-grossing movie ever.

 

later

-1

Certainly not after adjusting for ticket price inflation ;)

I have just got back from watching TPM:3D. Here is my review:

It is no great secret that i am not a fan of the prequels. I don't hate them, i just  think they are just not on the same level as the Original trilogy . So why did i go to see TPM in 3D? Well, that was my own fault. Remind me never to wind my wife up , who hates Star Wars by the way, saying how much i wanted to go and see this in 3D at the cinema as a Valentines Day present (plus it's her birthday a couple of days later so i wound her up by saying she will be having a Star Wars birthday). Then before you can tell her it's a joke, you find out that she has booked two tickets for the sunday afternoon performance and paid for them. Ouch.

I'm not going to go into where i feel this film fails because that has been covered so many times and i have nothing more to add on that subject. I went in there with an open mind to see how this movie would hold up in it's 3D conversion. Well things started ok. We got the cinema pretty much to ourselves. It was a weird atmosphere and it seemed very strange that a Star Wars movie would have so few attending on its first weekend. I looked around the cinema and counted 17 people, not including ourselves. So 19 people at a Sunday afternoon showing is very poor. The opening few days haven't faired much better. The most they have had at any one screening was 43, which was Saturday night, with one showing on the friday having only 5 tickets sold.

Sometimes i have gone to watch 3D movies and there have been major problems with focusing and calibration. This happened when watching Transformers 3, which was unwatchable without feeling ill. If the 3D adverst are all worng, then its a good bet the film will be too. So i was happy to see the Titanic trailer. Boy does that look like a great conversion. The 3D on that was excellent. So here i was, with fingers crossed, that TPM would  be as good. Oh, how wrong i was. The new fox and Lucasfilms logos looked great and really stood out. Then came the main crawl. Now that looked amazing, with real depth and 3D really gave this the wow factor. But thats where it ended. As soon as the camera panned down after the crawl disappeared it became almost 2D. But worse than that was just how bad quality many parts of the film was. While some shots looked good, apart from some obvious DVNR, there was a hell of a lot of the film that looked horrendous. The extra shots added for the extended pod race opening was just one example. They looked like bad upscaled images and blurry as hell. This is not how TPM looked at the cinema in 1999.

But back to the 3D. Both my wife, and myself, found ourselves constantly lowering our glasses  because we couldn't believe that what we were supposed to be seeing was a 3D image. Now usually when you do that when watching a 3D movie, there is noticeable blurring of the image, but not in this case. the majority of the time the image looked the same with or without the glasses. Shots that you would think should look awesome in 3D just looked flat. For example, the vista shots of the Naboo scenery. Flat, with no depth at all. Now i know George has stated that they went for the subtle 3D approach, but there is subtle and there is none existent. This was the latter.The picture was also dark, thanks to the tinted glasses. Whereas most films will brighten the image for 3D to compensate for the glasses, this one didn't and it suffered for not doing it.

The only thing the 3D seemed to help was the Cg characters. this did actually help them look like they could have been a part of the scenery, instead of flat cartoon like images. The battle droids seemed to profit from this the most.

Even when there was a noticeable 3D image, the backgrounds looked flat, like the characters were acting against a photograph. It just didn't look right at all.

If i pay extra money to see a 3D movie i want to see a 3D movie (yes i know , i didn't pay for this one). I went in hoping to be wowed by seeing Star Wars in 3D, and came out feeling majorly disappointed.

The last time i went to see a 3D movie and i was shocked at how bad the 3D conversion felt was Clash of the Titans. Oh, wait. Wasn't that 3D conversion done by the same company that has handled the conversions for the Star Wars films?

Its obvious that George just doesn't understand 3D. If he could have just got his buddy James Cameron to oversee this conversion, its a good bet fans would have been in for a treat.

Now onto the sound. Well, when you get the trailers before the film sounding BETTER than the movie itself, you know something is wrong. The whole mix sounded as flat as the 3D image.  I remember seeing TPM in 1999 and Sebulba's pod engines almost shook the room. Not so today. it sounded more like a fart in a baked bean tin. There was just no dynamic range to this mix at all. It's not the cinema that is a fault here as i have seen many films on this screen and they have sounded great. So what the hell happened with this one?

So all in all, this was a major letdown. Hopefully, if they continue with the 3D saga, things will be learned from this and they will learn how to use the 3D to its best.

My conclusion? If you love the prequels and just want to experience them on the big screen, then i say go for it. If you want to go just to experience the 3D, then i say save your money as you're likely to leave the theater felling the same way we did.

A couple of reviews for TPM have come online:

http://www.thereelbits.com/2012/02/07/review-star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-3d/

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/02/culturemodo-the-phantom-menace-3d/

vbangle said:

And after seeing your Dagaboh comparison I like what you did and can appreciate how you see the colors....but I wish every time I see R2-D2 that his red eye was indeed red. It seems like (in any edit) its always some shade of purple or pink or even a light red instead a vibrant brilliant red. R2-D2 red eye in the Puggo example looks more like what I hope to see in any edit.

The Golden Idol said:

Agreed, and it also seems like R2 has a purplish light at times when it should be blue. ANH:R had the perfect balance of red and blue for R2's light, I hope it'll be similar in ESB:R.

I have gone back and tweaked every shot of R2 in the movie to give him a redder eye and also remove most of the shots where the eye looks purple when it should be blue.

Monroville said:

doubleofive said:

New preview clip:

http://vimeo.com/35673497

Ady says the video is 100% complete, while the audio is still temp.

Wouldn't there still be a slight orange tint to the Falcon due to the ambient light reflected from the orange clouds?

Here is an example:
EXECUTIVE DECISION - 747

 

There is quite a bit of an orange tint to the falcon in that clip. It might be due to seeing how tinted the falcon is in the blu-ray clip, thanks to the heavy handed all over filter used for the DVDs,  that makes it look too neutral. here is a comparison between the tinted falcon as seen in the clip (top) and the falcon as it appears without the tint.

The same colouring was applied to the falcon in all shots in the clip.

I'd recommend Vegas. I started editing ANH:Revisited using vegas 7 on an old pentium4 3.2 ghz and it coped with it fine. I don't know about other video editors as i have only ever used vegas or premier.

The captures look pretty nice. I decided to have a play about with the screencaptures.; (these are just very quick alterations that took a few minutes to do. Most done with the same settings)

These wouldn't be a true indication of what can be done because i would need the captures of all the reels first and i would spend a lot more time on them than these, but it gives you an idea how good the colours are in this.

vbangle said:

fishmanlee said:

the Revisited pane looked a little blue in the Luke and Yoda training bit...

Yep this is the end of the world as we know it. Hell has frozen over. I actually agree with fishmanlee on something.

Thanks to the red shifted and faded GOUT and the abominations that are the DVD & Blu-Rays, the true colour of dagobah has been lost. But thankfully i have been privileged to have the opportunity to work on Puggo's latest 16mm transfer of ESB, which is a glorious print and you would be surprised just how great the colours of the original version of ESB looked. As you can see here Revisited is pretty close to how this movie originally looked all those years ago (thanks to Puggo for allowing me to post the screenshots from his version)

Another thing is the skies during the approach to Cloud City. The whole scene on the blu-ray/DVD has had a strong red filter added. But the skies were originally blue in most of the shots.

Oh and here is the second clip:

http://hotfile.com/dl/143871694/e7dfef2/clip_2.rar.html

I thought you only get socks at Christmas. ;)

Leonardo said:

Bingowings said:

There are vectors that can produce confusing IP information.

My external IP reads that I'm posting in Glasgow because my provider's server is there and I could share my internal IP address with a lot of different homes and presumably businesses too because of the way the paths are allocated. The IP is also registered in Amsterdam to a Berkshire company.

I've noticed that too: when I get to a page that has one of those ads that read "congratulations! you're the winner for today in [name of town]" they never get the place right! It's always a city in the general area, but never the right one. I deduced that whatever system is being used to trace my IP is far from precise.

 

EDIT out of curiosity, I've just tried two different methods to determine my location, and they both got it wrong. XD

Unless your ISP provides you with a static IP then your location will usually be incorrect, but usually close to where you live and in the same country.

lastjedi said:

adywan did you notice how when luke is upside down in the wampa cave using the force to get his lightsaber how the music is off when the lightsaber moves out of the snow.i didn't see this correction in your list.if you did notice it i apologise.but i thought i'd mention it just in case.and i am a big fan and it means alot to me to get to talk to you.thankyou for all your hard work.

Is this something that happens just on the special edition version? i haven't got the DVD/Blu-Ray versions of the audio loaded up in my editing program because i am using the 1980 theatrical audio as a temp track, and the music seems fine on that. I'll check the Blu-Ray audio as this could be down to the added shots of the wampas screwing things up. I'll get back to you soon about this.

EDIT: Just found a video of the SE version of the Wampa scene and yes you are right. Damn they really screwed up the musical cues for the SE by adding extra stuff. But don't worry, the scene will be returned to its original editing pace and i won't be using the SE mix for this scene, so the music will have it's cues where they were originally intended.

darth_ender said:

I want to say that whoever yesterdays troll under the bridge truly was, I honestly don't believe it was Angel.  Maybe I'm wrong, but his spelling mistakes were not of the nature of Angel's, and his English grammar was far better, even if not quite native English.  I don't know whatever bad interactions may have taken place before, but I truly don't believe he would do thta here.  I think Bingo's hunch felt at least closer to correct, though it may not be true either.

Things may not be as clear cut as we once thought.

Rogue Leader said:

Ronster said:

Bingowings said:

In the comic book adaptation there was a small Rebel outpost (which possibly tended to the generator station) which is destroyed by the probe droid to cover it's tracks, the loss was put down to a Wampa attack.

I thought it was a good idea when I was ten but without the Wampa sub-plot the effect would possibly be to bring more attention to itself.

It never made the movie so I guess it was dis-reguarded as irrelevant .... Looks like they had enough problems just doing the battle footage without adding anymore in.... The fact the probe discovers the shield was enough to convey the message and lead to the invasion.

It just fell over on the Invasion, I never thought about it that much until I pulled the footage apart.... Do you think it would help to have distinguishing marks on which group of AT-AT's you were looking at? So you would know where you are in the battle somewhat because it is all snow and blue sky....

Actually this WAS in the script but was cut. It occurs as the probe droid find the shield generator but then detects a Rebel sensor Station 38 (like the ones that Luke and Han were putting out at the beginning of the movie, which you don't see... lol "sensors are in place I'm going back") and the probe ends up destroying it. So when the scene cuts to the interior of Echo Base where there guy says "Sensors have pick up something Zone 12, moving east" there was suppose to be some smoking ruin of a sensor station as the probe was masking it's trail unsuccessfully... Here it is from the ESB script:

 HAN

		It isn't friendly, whatever it is.  
		Come on, Chewie, let's check it out.

				RIEEKAN
		Send Rogues Ten and Eleven to 
		station three-eight.

EXT. HOTH - SNOW PLAIN - DAY

The dark probe robot moves past the smoldering ruins of station three-
eight and down a ridge toward the Rebel base.  It raises a large 
antenna from the top of its head and begins to send out a piercing 
signal.

The probe droid has spotted Chewbacca who, not thirty feet away, has 
popped his head over a snow bank.  Instantly, the probe robot swings 
around, its deadly ray ready to fire.  But before it can get a shot 
off, it is hit from behind by a laser bolt, and explodes in a million 
pieces.

There was also a small section, that was cut out of the final movie, heard over the comlink that explains why Han knew it wasn't friendly:

HAN - Then it's not one of those creatures.

LEIA - Could it be one of ours? A speeder?

SENSOR CONTROLLER -I'm getting no signal. Wait, something very weak.

Threepio steps up to the control panel and listens to the strange signal intensely.

THREEPIO - I must say, sir, I'm fluent in over six million forms of communication, but this is something new... must be
in code or...

A new VOICE comes over the com-link.

TROOPER VOICE - This is station five and we have your object on our scopes... It's just over the ridge, we should have visual
contact in about... What the?... Oh no!

The transmission ends in static.

HAN - Whatever it is, it isn't friendly. I'm going to have a look. Come on, Chewie.

TV's Frink said:

Thank god that's over.

-Frink

Yeh, me too.

-Adywan

Deleted, while more information comes in.

Wait until you see this....

http://youtu.be/6obEMR_aRkA?hd=1

Got a bit bored so could resist having some fun;)

BABY, BABY, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jaitea said:

Yeah Monroville & Darth_Neznarf, the foot could be made larger and create more damage, I just used Savmagoett's calculation as a rough guide for how much to scale it up.....It's up to Ady now If he thinks its worth it

J 

I like it. I know its not anywhere near finished but i see you came across the same problem i did when i was attempting it; the foot on screen right just disappears into nowhere. The problem with making things bigger is making the surrounding things react correctly with them. If you want to continue with that shot Jaitea then i would be more than happy to use it if that's ok, full credit going to you of course.

There is something i have been meaning to ask you Jaitea, are you any good with creating CG terrain? There is still a huge problem i haven't been able to overcome and its the Hoth battle cockpit shots. The AT-AT's need replacing especially when there is not only the incorrect number of AT-AT's seen but also that some of them are jumping all over the place, not correctly joined on the surface and always standing still. Now a few years back someone was working on new terrain that i could use, but then just disappeared and stopped answering my emails. I really do still need something like this done. Here is one of his tests:

http://youtu.be/wseA4UHgS8Y

Wow, a lot of stuff posted over christmas. Guess i've got a lot of reading to do. And what's with all this ROTJ/Boba stuff? ;)

George Lucas Talks Red Tails

One interesting quote from George in there about Star Wars though.

"..it's the same problem i had on Star Wars.And on Star Wars i just broke it down and made it episodes 4, 5 & 6.And i said i can live without the backstory because i don't need to... i never intended to do that. But i was determined to make those three movies because it was one story.."

So the story has changed again then. I guess that all the fans that have constantly beaten upon the OT fans with their" it was always Georges vision to do the prequels but the technology wouldn't allow it.." and that "It was always meant to be a 6 film saga about the story of Anakin Skywalker. You're an idiot if you don't believe that to be true. Why else would the original Star Wars be titled episode 4?..." have just been proved 100% wrong, especially when this has come direct from the "Creators" mouth. ;)

Sadly, it has been reported that Bob Anderson, Darth Vader's stunt double in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the jedi, has passed away aged 89. Here is what the Kurtz Joiner facebook page had to say:

It is with great sadness that we report that Bob Anderson, the man behind the lightsaber fights in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and legendary swordplay in countless other films, has died at the age of 89. We had the very great pleasure of working with Bob numerous times over the years and always found him to be a gentleman, a professional and a legend. It was a privilege to know him and our thoughts are with his family and loved ones at this sad time. RIP Silverblade Bob.

Treadwell said:

I'm afraid I can't make a screengrab right now, but I've never seen this mentioned:

In ESB when the probe droid blows up, there's a quick shot, perhaps 4 frames, just before the explosion, that has a vertical scratch through the frame. It starts and stops with the edits on either side of the shot. Why a dupe of a scratched positive ended up in this, I have no idea, as ASAIK there aren't even any opticals in the shot.

Anyway, for Blu-Ray the scratch was finally fixed. IIRC it was still there in 2004.

i've gone through the scene frame by frame and i can only find one vertical scratch. It appears only in the GOUT. It isn't there in the 1997 SE or the 2004 DVD

Jaitea said:

So can it be done?

J

Well there is no way i'm building anything more than i am already for this edit. Not only would it add extra months to create this thing but would add to the already overreaching budget. And to go down the CG route, the foot would have to be so well rendered and have the movement match 100% to give it natural looking motion when interacting with the original speeder. And you only have to look at the speeder crash in the chase scene at the beginning of AOTC to see just how fake something like this can look.So, no i won't be doing it.  But if someone was to prove that this thing can look 100% realistic with Cg then i'm willing to change my mind