Watched this earlier. Some interesting things in this first part. Marcia looks like she is going to address being “erased” from SW history by George in a later episode. A few factual inaccuracies though. Looking forward to part 2.
OK, i have just found proof that they are using footage of the OT from trailers.
I guess the other question is: does that Han *yahoo" shot show up in any trailer with the same blemishes in the print on his face? That would confirm everything.
I don’t think all the footage is from trailers.
Pretty laughable to be complaining about quality and claiming it’s an upscale if you’re solely comparing it to a YT upload; if there’s a trailer on D+ I’m unaware of, that’s a different story. Y’all do have more technical know-how than I do, but that seems like a stretch.
That being said, check out the shot of Han at 2:02–wonder where that source came from. I don’t think the GOUT has the damage evidenced in those frames. It might not be a new HD scan, but it’s definitely different footage than what we’re used to from Disney.
Why the hell is it laughable? I didn’t even mention quality for a start. I know that it’s compressed footage but there are tell tale signs in the footage that an AI program, like Topaz, was used. There’s even old style DNR smearing going on in one of the shots and another cropped where you can see that the source was indeed already cropped, like it was scanned from a trailer.
And why does everyone keep going back to the GOUT to “prove” that the footage is not upscaled or that it is all new? You really think that is the only source they have? Have you checked all the supplementary material over the years? But it’s also pretty obvious to see that, even with the lower quality compressed youtube vid, that all the film footage is lower quality than even some of the 16mm BTS footage they are showing in the trailer. It looks like older scanned footage they had already scanned from prints and not negatives.
OK, i have just found proof that they are using footage of the OT from trailers.
This is the snapshot from the doc trailer:
And this is a snapshot of the exact same frame from this trailer: https://youtu.be/h6aVWMb3J5M (at about 0.58)
So why, if they have a new scan, would they use trailer footage for that one shot?
I didn’t say that they used the GOUT source. I was replying to these posts which seemed to suggest they were thinking these are new scans, as if they have recently scanned the whole unaltered films in HD.
Think all (or at least most) shots are OUT!! They seem rescanned!! Oh my!!
Think all (or at least most) shots are OUT!! They seem rescanned!! Oh my!!
This is what I’m sayin!!
I noticed that as well. Most shots still have the older proper effects in the trailer.
To me, these clips seem more likely they are taken from older scans of trailers/ docs etc that they already had digitised and processed through AI software. This shot is a dead giveaway that they are not using a new scan from the actual movie to show the original effects shots but alternate sources
Trailer
https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/icons-unearthed-star-wars-trailer/629a4a6b254cbe501a4e2813
Premieres next week.
Looks like the video is blocked to people outside the usa.
I’ve got a tech question, well several actually, for those who know about this sort of thing.
Okay, so after dragging my feet for months I finally downloaded the ESB:R rar files, unpacked them, and got it to play. It looked absolutely beautiful, couldn’t be happier. Now my questions are with the playing of the movie. I can watch the film straight through without stopping with no problems but if I pause the film it won’t unpause. If I stop the film it won’t play again. I can’t fast forward or rewind and there doesn’t appear to be any chapter breaks either. Has anyone else experienced these problems? How do I fix these issues? Any assistance would be appreciated, thank you.
I didn’t add chapter breaks. The problem you are having seems to only be present on certain players. Just load the video into MKVToolnix and remux it into an mkv. That should sort out any playback problems when skipping and pausing. You can also add chapter marker with that program if you wish
Don’t get too excited. None of the film footage is newly scanned. It looks like they’ve used Topaz Video Enhance to upscale the footage because its got a huge tell tale sign of any bright image bleeding into the next frame causing artefacts. As you can see in this one, the laser in the previous frame is visible in the top right of the image. The same happens with every laser in that one shot in this video. That’s a dead giveaway that this type of software was used.
There’s also the old DNR smearing going on in some of the footage
But at least it does look like we are going to get some BTS footage from the OT that we haven’t seen before
When three out of four people disagree it’s not “dogpiling”…you’re being too sensitive for a critical debate.
I’m not being too sensitive. Also, is it really a critical debate when three of four participants agree? Three against one seems like a dogpile to me.
Are we not allowed to like this show here without being reminded about how “wrong” we are for liking an admittedly flawed show? You can like this show without being dismissively referred to as a “fanboy,” right?
So it’s dogpiling is more than one person disagrees with another on their view of something? It’s a forum, of course there is going to be more than one person is going to disagree with someone’s opinion and want to join the debate. That’s NOT dogpiling. yotsuya has been around here for a while and i certainly don’t think they will leave just because people disagree with them. I’m certainly not dogpiling yotsuya.
Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.
It’s not over simplistic at all. They’re the exact same senario. But not once does he state or it’s even hinted at that he will rejoin them during the first time or second. The only thing even mentioned about him returning was the promise to leia that she will see him again. But the fact that they used the same 3 character to have the same interaction in the two episodes make it more than just “similarities”
Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.
So, a weapon that we see generates so much heat that, when trust into a steel door, instantly starts turning it into molten metal, can get thrust into a human characters body for the length of time that Vader thrust it into Reva ( and we do see where he stabs her) and not kill her? her innards would be boiled to hell. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t through her spine, it was still right next to it and, in the time the sabre is inserted, there would be nothing left. If it had just been a quick thrust in and out , it could have been believable that she was ok. But it’s held in there a long time. And, apart from a little wincing at the beginning of ep6, she seemed perfectly fine when she got to the Lars homestead. Also, you can clearly see that she was stabbed through the chest at an angle, then when we see her on Tatooine, she just has a makeshift bandage around her waist . When characters can just miraculously survive these type of injuries it makes it all a joke. Takes any form of believability out of it.
The angle looks like stomach or spleen to kidney, but not her spine. And they never cover what settings a lightsaber has. Perhaps it has high and low power for different uses. It reportedly had its origins as a cutting tool. And flesh and metal have different heat conductive properties. So I don’t see a problem.
That saber is definitely going from chest to spine in that shot. to be more factual, that is going through her heart, or very slightly under, at a downward angle then exiting through her spine. It doesn’t matter that metal and flesh have different conductive properties. The heat needed to instantly turn metal into molten metal would turn a persons insides into a boiling pot in seconds. A quick in and out and maybe you’d survive. But the amount of time vader has that saber inserted into Reva? No way. And she certainly wouldn’t be up and about in no time and manage to somehow get to tatooine. Having to make stuff up to justify the problems with the writing of a show only proves how bad the writing is to begin with.
Your summary is over simplistic. I’m sure there are similarities, but it is not the exact same situation. For one thing, the first time Kenobi is just going to delay and fully intends to return (but you never know). The second time he is leaving and knows he won’t rejoin them. The reaction of those around him is different and the story plays out different. There is a ghost of a similarity between the two incidents and you are focusing on that rather than the whole picture.
It’s not over simplistic at all. They’re the exact same senario. But not once does he state or it’s even hinted at that he will rejoin them during the first time or second. The only thing even mentioned about him returning was the promise to leia that she will see him again. But the fact that they used the same 3 character to have the same interaction in the two episodes make it more than just “similarities”
Also, getting stabbed in the gut can lead to instant death or a recoverable injury depending on where it was and how it was delivered. Qui-gon was stabbed (very clearly) through the middle of his gut. Severing his main artery and vein and possibly severing his spine and damaging the organs in front. He was human after all. We don’t see where Reva gets stabbed. In the gut, but just how is not shown. Same with the grand inquisitor (but he is not human so we don’t know what internal damage he might have sustained). Maul is cut in half, but other than an instant spray of blood, there is no blood. So whatever was cut was sealed. So he could have lived (with some help). He also isn’t human so we don’t know his internal organ arrangement to know what was cut off. Reva is clearly still wounded when she gets to Tatooine. So all the wounds are not the same so expecting the same outcome is unrealistic.
So, a weapon that we see generates so much heat that, when trust into a steel door, instantly starts turning it into molten metal, can get thrust into a human characters body for the length of time that Vader thrust it into Reva ( and we do see where he stabs her) and not kill her? her innards would be boiled to hell. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t through her spine, it was still right next to it and, in the time the sabre is inserted, there would be nothing left. If it had just been a quick thrust in and out , it could have been believable that she was ok. But it’s held in there a long time. And, apart from a little wincing at the beginning of ep6, she seemed perfectly fine when she got to the Lars homestead. Also, you can clearly see that she was stabbed through the chest at an angle, then when we see her on Tatooine, she just has a makeshift bandage around her waist . When characters can just miraculously survive these type of injuries it makes it all a joke. Takes any form of believability out of it.
I find it so hard to understand how people can defend the writing on this series and say that it’s well made. In episodes 5 & 6 they used the exact same scenario. What’s worse is that, if you watch these two episodes one after another, this blatant repeating happens within about 15 minutes.
Episode 5: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.
Approx 15 minutes later…
Episode 6: They are in danger with a technical problem stopping them from being able to escape. Obi-Wan decides to sacrifice himself so that the others can escape because he knows it’s him that Vader wants, not them. Obi-Wan goes to Haja and asks him to take care of Leia. Roka tries to talk him out of it but Obi-Wan leaves.
And i bet Qui-Gon is mighty pissed because , in this show, you can get skewered with a lightsaber in the stomach and through the spine and live.
And then there is the final Obi/ Vader fight. It’s set out right from the start of that duel that Obi_wan is prepared to kill vader. “Have you come to destroy me Obi_wan?”. “I will do what i must”. But then lets him live, even after he knows that the person who was once his friend has gone and all that is left is a monster. I know Vader has to survive because of ANH, but doing it this way is ridiculous.
RE: Why doesn’t Ben kill a defeated Vader?
Jedi Knights are honourable and chivalrous. Killing an opponent in a duel is one thing, but killing a vanquished fallen opponent is something entirely different. That is an execution.
We already see that when Anakin ‘executes’ a defeated Count Dooku. It is a wholly evil thing, and not the Jedi way.
Really? Well i would have a word with Mace Windu then. he was quite happy to Kill Palpatine to “end the Sith”. And what about Kenobi and Yoda? They wanted Luke to kill Vader. They didn’t say “you can only kill him in a fair duel”. Obi-Wan just said that if Luke couldn’t kill Vader, then the Emperor had already won.
I enjoyed this show. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but I don’t think it set out to be. But the vigour with which some viewers will look for “plot holes”, particularly in something as oft-patchy as Star Wars, is getting ridiculous.
But no one needed to vigorously look for problems, they were there in plain sight. That’s the problem with this show.
Many critics these days will use their intellect only so far to find what they may call plot holes, so that they can join the negativity bandwagon.
They refuse to think further than the criticism, and to infer things by piecing together details in the story. They don’t argue against themselves before speaking. To do so would often times mean acknowledging what they called a flaw in the script, was only a moment which required the audience to think -through-.
I’m not saying that of anyone here. But it’s something I noticed in spades about many self-made critics reviewing this series on YT and the like.
So basically, what you are saying is that those that think this show was a pile of garbage are just too damn stupid to to think deeply enough or are just too stupid to piece together what these highly intelligent beings that praise the show can see before their super intellectual selves because they can actually think? Right, got it.
Is this the k.k. Garbage people keep saying about the Star Wars she does or is that hyperbole?
What are you talking about?
And hadn’t it already been established that Qui-Gon couldn’t appear “in the flesh” because he hadn’t completed his training before he died? I’m sure this was explained in one of the cartoons.
The 2017 book From a Certain Point of View showed that Qui-Gon had learned to appear in the flesh by ANH (but it took a lot of effort to do so). All the show changes is that Jinn knew how to appear in the flesh a decade before it happened in the book.
So they have altered canon yet again just for a few seconds fanwank? Jeez
One of the things that didn’t sit right with me was how Owen and Ben interacted at the end. Owen became more sympathetic towards Ben and allowed him to meet Luke. he had only showed animosity towards ben and wanted him to have nothing to do with Luke, yet right after Luke almost gets killed because of Ben, he suddenly lets him now him. Then switches back to keeping him away from Luke at all costs in ANH. That encounter gave the writers the perfect opportunity to show why Owen wanted ben as far away from Luke as possible. But, no, they screwed it just so he could get his Skyhopper model.
And hadn’t it already been established that Qui-Gon couldn’t appear “in the flesh” because he hadn’t completed his training before he died? I’m sure this was explained in one of the cartoons.
It’s okay in my book. I didn’t hate it, but I just couldn’t mentally justify rating it higher than a 6/10. I get why people despise it, and I get why people like it. I’m glad you’re not using elements from it, especially since it’d just cheapen the look of the OT to include insertions/references.
Speaking of that, what’s the plan for Kenobi’s hut now - a new model/matte, the '77 hut, or the '97 hut/digital matte?
Still the new model/ matte. The SE version just doesn’t make sense. How did the landspeeder get up those rocks? And the '97 version doesn’t even have any windows, when we can clearly see from the inside that his hut has loads of windows
I’m interested to know, Ady, if there’s anything from the Obi-Wan Kenobi series that either confirmed some decision you were on the fence about, or that you’ll change now that you’ve had the additional info?
There isn’t anything from that terrible series that will influence me in any way apart from maybe using some fx elements.
Touching back on my End Credits, I had another idea.
https://youtu.be/sIPNormrPwg
Using this video as reference, why not for the first portion of the end credits, to play the score that goes from (0:00-2:18). Then right after, to insert the additional score to fit everyone who worked on, or had been involved in this film?
So you are suggesting i do exactly the same type of thing i did in the SD version of ANH:R then?
And , can we now please put this whole " Ben calls Vader " darth" " conversation to bed now after the final episode of Obi-Wan Kenobi? 😉
After 5 really bad episodes, this finale was actually pretty good. It didn’t feel like it was even the same series (apart from some pretty dodgy CG ship effects & make-up). We finally get familiar SW themes. Why didn’t they do this for the other episodes? This one almost felt like it was created by a completely different team. Although Hayden still can’t act his way out of a paper bag. Stilted and wooden deliveries. They really should have got rid of all the useless fluff from the other episodes and developed this finale more into 2 eps. It felt rushed. Sadly they strengthened the bond between Ben & Leia which makes her reaction to his death in ANH even more cold. But this ep did seem to be a bit of a box ticker, which was a shame.
It did show the flaws in the ability of those in charge to plot out chance sequences though. the Stardestroyer chase was flat. compare this sequence to those in the OT, especially ESB with the stardestroyer chasing the falcon, and you will see what i mean. The stardestoyer itself looked more 90’s CG than the quality we have come to expect from ILM today. The movement of the ships in some shots just looked unreal/ unnatural.
The big problem was that, what should have been tense moments, just couldn’t be because we know they survive. There was no peril, even though it was written to portray just that. We know vader survives, we know ben survives, we know Leia survives, we know owen and beru survive. yet they were the ones that were supposed to be in danger. The only one we didn’t know their fate was Reva, but she was just a throw away character in the end.
The " Vader half damaged mask revealing Anakins face" has already been done, but the original had more of an impact.
There will be things in this that some fans will be cheering over, but they felt more shoehorned in.
And what was with the excessive grain in certain shots? It would just from minimal to 11 during the same sequence.
But this was the best out of all of the episodes, which isn’t saying much due to how bad the other 5 were. The series was a missed opportunity.
They showed the entire original StarTours ride at the star tours panel at Celebration 22. Sadly it had the damn graphics covering the bottom portion of the video. But this is the best quality i’ve seen it
Also a shame that this is now private
Thats so strange that they would take that one down and yet keep the other 3 days streaming. I’m just glad i downloaded it when i could
For the end credits, I have a suggestion.
On Disney+, after the main credits finish, there’s this sequence of additional credits (for the voices of the international dubs) without music, and with simple text. Why not take that concept and utilize that for the people that helped you out with Revisited?
(The reason I asked is, I wanted to see if it was possible to keep the original theatrical pacing of the end credits, without putting in additional music or repeated segments, while at the same time still being able to put the names of the supporters and additional help)
The end credit music was already altered in 1997 for the SE’s, albeit just by repeating a segment. You can’t go back to the theatrical version of the score because of the extra credits already there. And i’m certainly not willing to remove people who worked on the SE’s just to have the theatrical timing the same as i am unwilling to have the names of those who have worked on and supported these projects just be tagged on at the end as some sort of afterthought. The way the credits will appear has already been established with ESB:R and that’s the way they will continue.
It’s looking fantastic! I especially like how you straightened out the pylon in the first shot of Vader (which has bugged me for ages).
Also, speaking of sound mixes, will the mono mix insertions (Beru’s voice, “It’s secure,” “Blast it Wedge,” and the exterior cantina music) also return? There’s a new mono mix restoration in beta testing on the 4K77 forum.
yes, the mono mix insertions will be staying
Looks great! I just can’t help but think that, knowing what we now know, I don’t think Obi Wan would call him “Darth”, would he? I think Anakin or Vader would be better. Maybe both?
I was going to write the reason why i think this line needs no alteration, but RogueLeader said exactly what i was going to write:
Try to imagine a scene where a younger Obi-Wan is confronting Count Dooku and says, “You can’t win, Count.” It feels like a perfectly natural line that he would say, in my opinion. So with that in mind, I think you can easily interpret it as Obi-Wan just calling him by his Sith title. In the past a lot of people have suggested Obi-Wan says it mockingly. Of course, all of this is a retroactive interpretation, but I think it works enough that it doesn’t warrant changing it.
Very cool. The second audio track will that will have music playing during this scene (which I beleive will be Battle of the Heros) will I think be a much better fit with the fast pacing. One think I was wondering will it be a straight lift of the version from RotS or will you be using a instrumental version. I was wondering this as John Williams never used a chior in an of the ANH score so I felt that I could help it mesh more.
I think ANH is the only SW soundtrack where he doesn’t use a choir, same with it being the only one without the imperial march, so i think having one track appear with the choir would help it blend with the other films better.
OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:RRight off the bat, the adjustments made to this sequence greatly improves upon the original. That being the color correction, the re-rotoscoping of the lightsabers, the jumpcut fix with Obi-Wan’s lightsaber, and the shuffling around of scenes to improve the pacing. It’s really impressive just seeing this in comparison to the 2020 Blu-Ray.
Although, I do have some questions about certain fixes/changes such as, the color correction being different from the regrade of the 2011 Blu-Ray from a while back, the lightsaber sound effects sourced from the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (2011 Blu-Ray) being swapped for sound effects from the 1977 Dolby Stereo Track, and the “Your powers are weak, old man.” and “You should not have come back.” lines switching places from the original.
Why’s that?
Actually the audio used is the 1997 SE theatrical 5.1 DTS throughout with only the dialogue for Vader using the 2011 DTS track because of the differences. Sound effects for the clashes have been added due to the editing. The mix for the 2011/2020 blu-rays is horrendous when compared to the 1997 5.1 DT theatrical. I’ve been noticing so many things missing from the blu-ray mixes; missing foley, sound effects coming from the wrong channels amongst other things. It also a very flat mix in places. So the final release audio track will be a combination of the 97 theatrical DTS & the 2001 blu-ray mix. The lines were swapped around in the original ANH:R, so i kept it that way. The old regrade i did was only ever going to used as a basis for this edit. This will have an updated grade
OK, Here is the sneak peek at the new ANH:R HD edit of the Obi-Wan/ Vader duel.
The editing in the HD version differs slightly from the SD version . In the final version there will be two audio tracks: The main 5.1 track will be the music less versions, while track 2 will have the added music as seen in the original SD version of ANH:R