Took a snapshot and raised the gamma and there definitely is something there that doesn't appear in any of the other shots, as far as i can see (Click on image to see larger version)
darth-gary said:
In the Gathering Forces episode it looked like they animated garbage mattes onto a few of the tie-fighter shots. Did anyone else notice this?
Yeh, i noticed that, especially when the TIEs were approaching from the stardestroyers
imperialscum said:
Fang Zei said:
There's no way to market yet another version of the SE (without the OOT) that will get people to flock to the stores.
I think people on OT.com hugely misjudge the OOT's relevance to an average fan. There has been a very few of us who refused to buy Blu-Ray on the principle of having unwanted changes.
If they release another set with something "extra", I think fans will buy it just as they did 2004 and 2011 release.
Well they recently re-released the blu-rays and also a DVD set of the newest versions, and they didn't sell too well at all. Our Local HMV sold 1 copy of the DVD set since it was released months ago. Even the blu-ray set isn't selling. The only way they are going to sell any more sets in the quantities they would be looking for is to release the OUT, restored on Blu-Ray. You actually underestimate the OUT's relevance to your average fan. You only have to look around the net when the blu-ray set was released to see just how huge a demand for the OUT is.
Bingowings said:
Nice to see Jaitea's preparatory work reached a conclusion. I guess that another benefit of 720p is being able to still scale up elements like that without losing clarity (it doesn't look like Ady built a full size foot and dropped it on a car for verisimilitude).
Well unfortunately i couldn't seem to get hold of Jaitea so i had to do the shot myself from scratch. Turns out it wasn't as hard to do as i first though and only took me a few hours. That's the thing with doing stuff like this. Shots you think are going to be pretty hard to do , turn out to be the simple ones. While the ones that look like they would be an easy fix, end up being a nightmare. You can just never tell until you start them.
And 720p really does give me a lot of wiggle room with shots, especially when i get around to doing the prequels.
Only back working on it in my spare time as i'm still working on the VFX gig.
Fixed the scaling issue with the AT-At's foot as it crushes the speeder.
Ronster said:
Ep 7 Revisited :)
ok I know suggestions are closed but I have recently become aware of a minor difference between the original and revisited. It is also very small but I also wondered if it was dropped as it may take away from everything else that is going on.
But Basically the spire lights (obstruction Lights) on the cloud city needles or tall buildings don't seem to be present in the new mattes which are fantastic but I thought to myself I wondered why they were not there? So the Cloud city mattes have blinking lights in the SE and original I think but I would not mind just seeing constant lights on some spires or tips of spires as a warning to landing ships perhaps in heavy cloud so as not to crash.... Anyway I thought I would ask If they have been purposefully removed?
Looking at the special edition and original shots, i can't see any spire lights , flashing or stationary ( apart from one spire in the original having a couple of lights at the base, but that matte is no longer being used in revisited anyway).
That shot no longer exists in ESB:R ;)
Yeh, i'm still working on the fan film. turned out to be more work than i had anticipated. But I'm back to working on ESB:R in my spare time
NeverarGreat said:
Will the proper highlights import into Vegas Pro 10 do you think? Because if that's the case I can render a corrected version from there to use in Premiere. Or perhaps there is an Avisynth script that can change the video attributes so that Premiere handles it correctly.
Yeh, it imports the highlights perfectly. like i said, you just need to adjust the lows to go from 16 to 0. Just render it out from vegas to import it into premier
Harmy said:
Is this the case with all three films?
Well i haven't got around to ROTJ yet, but it is the case with ANH & ESB ( with ESB being the worse because they have blown the highlights out in places anyway)
Well i just ripped the blu-ray , imported the m2ts into vegas 12 and adjusted the lows to bring it back to 0-255. Tried it with premier, after effects and they all load it adjusted for the flag, so messed up and unfixable as the highs information is lost.
I think there may be a problem with the way you are converting the blu-ray. I was looking at the screengrabs that showed the blown out highlights with all the missing detail that you say is missing in the blu-ray. But, when i imported the blu-ray into sony vegas to check, the detail is all there and it isn't anywhere near as blown out as in your screengrabs
Left is from your screengrabs, right is a snapshot from the blu-ray imported into sony vegas
one thing i did discover with the blu-rays is that it has been encoded incorrectly. instead of 16-235 it has been encoded somehow as 16-255. The highs are at their full range so, when the player/ program converts it to 0-255 the highs get completely blown out.
Another thing, didn't the "Next Time" trailer from last weeks episode completely ruin the big surprise, especially when they showed the climax of the episode in it? You knew straight away that those skeletons were Cybermen, especially when they started mentioning how the dark water works. For all those that avoided spoilers, that trailer ruined everything.
Am i the only one to think that this whole Missy/ master business is pretty lame? You build it up al the way through the series to the reveal and it was a bit of a damp squib. Why call her missy if you want to keep the suspense up until the climactic reveal? It was pretty obvious that the neversphere was the Gallifreyan matrix all along, but wouldn't it have been better for Missy to have turned out to be the Rani or even Roman gone bad and Missy being a total red herring to lead everyone to think that she is the master and BANG? But, no. Just Moffat being Moffat again
fullmetal777 said:
Oh God, I just read Bingowings's post....no wonder you guys are confused.
Don't listen to Bingowings, he's so wrong...NO! DOOKU DOES NOT WANT OBI TO BE HIS APPRENTICE TO OVERTHROW PALPATINE.
You are so off. it's not even funny.
Well George used that scene as a direct mirror for the scene in ESB and that is how george wanted it portrayed so, yeh, Bingo is right.
Handzzz said:
Lol. Milking the star wars fans continues.
How am i milking the fans?
MaximRecoil said:
adywan said:
4:3 TV's stopped being sold here in the UK much earlier than 2006, in fact CRT TV's weren't on sale AT ALL in 2006, only LCD and Plasma 16:9 TV's. You could find them online, just about, but in the main stores, no CRT's to be found. How do i know this, In 2005 my Dad wanted to replace his now defunked 4:3 portable TV, which had a built in VHS player. We went all around the shops and nothing. So he got a 16:9 20" LCD TV with built in DVD player instead. But even then, most people i knew who HADN'T upgraded to a LCD/ Plasma still had 16:9 CRT TV's, not 4:3
I bought a new 32" CRT TV in 2006 at Wal-Mart.
I'm pretty sure i said the UK. So what has you buying one at Walmart got anything to do with what i was saying? Just because they were still on sale in the US does not mean that they were available everywhere else in the world. I guess the UK just progressed a little quicker than the US ;) j/k
So was your new 32" CRT TV 4:3 or 16:9?
MaximRecoil said:
I guess you don't know that nearly all of the most popular and well-regarded fan preservations were transfers from the 1993 and/or 1995 LaserDiscs, which were made from the same masters that the GOUT was made from. This means they had the same "digital smearing and terrible aliasing problems" that the GOUT has, because those were present in the 1993 D1 masters. The claim that the GOUT was of less quality is false by any objective/technical standard, given that they are from the same source and the fan preservations have a lot more loss relative to the source:
GOUT = 1993 D1 master --> DVD-9
Most fan preservations = 1993 D1 master --> LaserDisc --> DVD-5
I guess you don't know that many of the preservations used the PAL 1995 laserdiscs ( someone correct me if i am wrong, it has been a long time since i visited the various laserdisc preservation threads), which didn't suffer with the aliasing problems and has a hell of a lot less digital smearing then the NTSC laserdiscs. They also used a different master than the one used for the GOUT. No 4-eyed stormtrooper, for one. I'm not sure why they wouldn't have used the PAL versions and just adjusted the speed for the GOUT. It would have been a much better product. Even the PAL GOUT discs for eps 4 & 5 used the terrible NTSC master, yet used the PAL master for episode 6, which is better quality than the NTSC counterpart.
Now, back on topic.........
I still have a feeling that these masters were going to be for the 3D versions originally, or that a restoration was started before George signed the dotted line to Disney as a sweetener. The footage was definitely NOT the 2003 transfer. But anything is pure speculation until we get word from LFL, if they ever surface that is. With 4K blu-ray players coming on the market later 2015 ( just before episode 7) , could these be one of the first 4k blu-rays to appear on the market? A tie in with the new film or as part of a blu-ray package if a deal is done with one of the companies? That would certainly boost any potential sales of 4k equipment.
TV's Frink said:
adywan said:
his now defunked 4:3 portable TVI enjoy this typo quite a bit.
ha ha. i'm not going to change that ;)
MaximRecoil said:
No, not everyone had adopted 16:9 TVs in 2006 (much less well before 2006), nor even most people. You could even still buy brand new 4:3 standard definition CRT TVs in mainstream stores at the time (e.g. Wal-Mart). 16:9 DVD releases were pretty standard in 2006 because they benefited the ever-increasing number of people who had widescreen TVs, and they were 100% backward compatible with 4:3 TVs, so there was no downside to them.
4:3 TV's stopped being sold here in the UK much earlier than 2006, in fact CRT TV's weren't on sale AT ALL in 2006, only LCD and Plasma 16:9 TV's. You could find them online, just about, but in the main stores, no CRT's to be found. How do i know this, In 2005 my Dad wanted to replace his now defunked 4:3 portable TV, which had a built in VHS player. We went all around the shops and nothing. So he got a 16:9 20" LCD TV with built in DVD player instead. But even then, most people i knew who HADN'T upgraded to a LCD/ Plasma still had 16:9 CRT TV's, not 4:3
the GOUT was horrendous quality coming from a studio that had access to prints/ negatives. How difficult would it have been to make a scan off one of the prints for these bonus discs? Even without a clean up they would have looked miles better than crappy laserdisc transfers. These were actually LESS quality than the preservations fans were doing at the time. Forget the slight improvement in sharpness of the picture, the digital smearing and the terrible aliasing problems made that release an joke.
Tobar said:
Huh.
So the fundraiser Ady linked ended on May 17th 2013, while the one that I had found was launched on May 31st 2013.
That's really strange. Why start another one so soon?
I noticed in the comments that they had passed the $1000 mark, yet its only saying now they reached $800.
Tobar said:
The fundraising campaign he started only managed to raise a little over 800 dollars of the 20,000 dollar goal.
I'm not sure about the fate of the film but he did manage to turn the road tour into a documentary. You can watch the trailer for it here.
No idea about the release date for that but I would sure like to see both someday.
It raised over $18,000. But the fundraiser was to fund his "road trip" and not to finish the film. he says he needs $500k to do that
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/1JIQb
Here's what he wrote after the the fundraiser finished:
Thanks to the generosity of family, friends, and fans from around the world, the "Hearts of Dorkness" Tour has done exactly what we hoped it would do-- and more! We are now in discussions with a major distributor who asked to see the film BECAUSE of the publicity generated by the TIFF NEXT WAVE screening. And the TIFF screening only happened because the people behind it noticed internet coverage of the "Hearts of Dorkness" Tour. And THAT only happened because of YOU. And so the time has come to end THIS campaign. But that doesn't mean we don't still need support! Morgan Flores is in the early stages of editing her feature length documentary of the journey,"HEARTS OF DORKNESS: The Road to 5-25-77". (for more info visit: http://www.heartsofdorkness.com) And I am suiting up for the final "Death Star Trench Run" to bring "5-25-77" to THEATERS EVERYWHERE!Look for NEW campaigns to help with both efforts, soon! THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT!
But this was posted May 2013 and nothing since.
This was posted on the Revisited facebook page last night
Peter Briggs said:
"Empire Revisited" is an astonishingly technically-sophisticated project. And Gary Kurtz himself has seen some of the footage and admired it. That's good enough for me.
Peter Briggs (writer of Hellboy) is working with Gary on his latest film, so it's legit :)
Fang Zei said:
Another thing to consider:
One big reason Lucas decided to put out the OT on dvd in 2004 is because he realized he could use it to hype RotS, the movie that was going to complete the saga.
Now Disney wants to hype the continuation of the saga.
The "bonus disc" editions didn't come out until 2006, a year after ROTS was released.
Harmy said:
The GOUT treatment for '97SE would certainly be interesting - it wouldn't be anywhere near the quality it could be with a proper remaster but unlike the GOUT, the original '97 master tapes, (which were the sources of those '97SE broadcasts we have now) would make for a decent anamorphic DVD.
There were HD masters done of the 97SE. ANH was shown on ITV here in the UK in HD then suddenly switched to the 2004 SE's for the rest of the trilogy. It was only ever shown once in HD.
Having now seen Harmy's mock-up it is very similar to what i have done to that scene.