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ToscheStation said:

Jim Smith said:

Yep, Georgie boy was definitely making things up as he went along. He never should’ve fired Gary Kurtz. Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back but George scrapped that idea much to my chagrin. Instead they went with the version of episode 6 that follows a lot of the same beats as episode 4 does. It’s also quite similar to episode 7. Too much repetition in this saga if ya ask me.

“Return of the Jedi was originally going to be about as dark as The Empire Strikes Back”

The way Lucas described “book three” back in Dec 1975 says otherwise:

“In the third book I want the story to be just about the soap opera of the Skywalker family, which ends with the destruction of the Empire.”

The third “book” they talks about was NOT ROTJ. This was to be the later episodes. Right up until ROTJ was in pre-production, ROTJ was not to be the final episode. The confrontation with the Emperor and defeat of the empire was to have been in those later episodes. Episode 6 WAS originally going to be darker. With Luke being separated from his friends at the end, going off to search for his sister (who was not Leia). When Lucas decided he didn’t want to make any more SW films, he brought those plans forward, dropped the search for the “other” Skywalker and made Leia the sister.

rodneyfaile said:

12 days until blu ray!

We’ve got to wait until the 9th April here in the UK . Not happy 😦

11 minute sneak preview of the “Director and the Jedi” documentary that will be on the Last Jedi Blu-ray:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8080556/videoplayer/vi3962091545?ref_=vp_pl_1

Short TLJ VFX breakdown for the opening bombing run:

https://youtu.be/q6FXNz-eYv0

And an article on the user interface designs used in TLJ:

https://www.wired.com/story/star-wars-last-jedi-user-interfaces/

Mjolnir Mark IV said:

I ended up seeing it in theater. To anyone else in my situation, I would say wait for video, or maybe even never see it.

Hopefully nobody takes that advice and makes their mind up for themselves. My daughters b/f hated TFA and didn’t want to go and see TLJ because of it. He was even more adamant not to go see it after the backlash he saw online after it was released. I finally convinced him to at least give it a try and to make his own mind up, ignoring what he has read. And now he is pissed. But not because he didn’t like the film. He loved it. But he was pissed because he left it too late and is now unable to go and see it again in the cinema because its ended its run and now has to wait until the Blu-Ray comes out. He is actually gobsmacked at the negative reactions the film got. But he did hate the Leia in space scene 😉

TV’s Frink said:

What does that even mean? If I had to guess I’d think you’re doing a TLJ edit with pirated material.

If I’m wrong you should probably explain what you meant. If I’m right the mods should close this thread.

That’s exactly what i was thinking. And this seemed to confirm that he’s doing a Last Jedi edit:

Extreme Productions said:

I got rid of the things people have been complaining most about, and the film no longer stops every 5 minutes for a misplaced joke. It’s too bad I can’t discuss the project in greater detail here, but… rules.

Ronster said:

The problem with this sort of analysis from people with an agenda is that if these people who claim something was not only white washed and also sexist. Why are they also not sticking up for the alien life in the film as well?

Probably because there are no aliens living in our society ( that we know of)

Ronster said:

The problem that these people with a political agenda fail to realise is the world was a different place in the 70’s and a country such as the USA did not have such a diverse population as it does now.

You are kidding, right? If not, then maybe you should stop basing your facts on TV and film of the era. America wasnt as white and male as you think it was.

Ronster said:

That was actually to highlight the how silly it is becoming. How far will it go… i do bring it back with some good points at the end.

No, you really didn’t. Not when you ended it with this rubbish…

Ronster said:

The people that moan about these sorts of things fail to understand that it is far better to have the best actor or actress and that is bankable in a measure of success than to simply diversify something for the sake of it… If American money is making the film why can’t they just have americans in it?

It’s not like South Korea or bollywood films feel the need to stuff random white people in to their films for the sake of it. Why don’t these same people campaign for equality in films made abroad? So why should American films pander to these out cry’s by political agenda groups when the peoole who claim to be fighting for equality are in no way calling any other film industries out in other countries…

So yeah that is the hypocracy of it all.

Yeh, it’s pretty obvious where all this is coming from. Very thinly veiled…

If you are refusing to see a film because there are people wanting more diversity, in a world where white males still hold all the cards, then the problem is not with their “agenda” but with yourself. The same type of rubbish you wrote above was spoken many years ago, by those complaining that there are too many people demanding certain rights to people of colour and how there are more people of colour appearing and starring in film and TV just because of their “agenda”. And the same that complained about women on TV no longer being just the “eye candy/ damsel in distress”

It’s the same box, wrapped in different paper.

Sir Ridley said:

I guess the point is that it was very very unlikely to find someone with the needed skill set by chance, especially since Maz made it sound like the Master Code Breaker was the only one who could do it.

Maz said that he was the only one she could trust to do it, not the only one that could do it. It was established that Maz herself could have done it, but she was unable, at the beginning of the transmission.

Vladius said:

I realize this might be an unpopular opinion here, but aside from the portrayal of Luke (which some people feel is just a matter of interpretation,) the non-Rey female characters were easily the worst parts of the film.
They have the most cringe-inducing dialogue:…“if you need to see the sun shining to know it’s there, you’ll never last through the night,” …

A line not even spoken in the film. If you are going to use quotes to prove a point about bad dialogue, at least get the quote right. That’s not even close.

Ronster said:

TV’s Frink said:

LexX said:

Sorry, I meant what do you mean Edwards being pushed out.

I’m waiting on this too. Ronster says things all of the time that are either misunderstandings or crazy speculation.

Read it again. 😃 He was chucked off RO. I think he is a good director perhaps he is too experimental for big budget blockbusters but he does not go too over the top and even though he even aspires on VFX based stuff he does try to tone it down to be real and gritty. Which is perfect for Star Wars.

He was chucked off but he was kept around for PR. But he still did a great job even though all the clamour about saving the film he did do excellently i think.

He got the tone right where as the reshoots did not.

I think he really understood something about the original fims that say JJ abrams did not.

But JJ had a different job to start a new trilogy but he set a different tone. Which is reasonable I suppose.

But he wasn’t “chucked off”. Just another “fake news” article that spread just because another director was hired. yet that director was only hired to help out with the reshoots, with Gareth, in order to get them done on time. No different to Gary Kurtz taking over directorial duties on final shoots with ANH. Gareth was there right to the end. One of the final things shot was the Tantive escape. And he’s right there, pulling the lever.

SilverWook said:

The 35mm print I saw of AOTC was pretty washed out in places. It looked like a bad video to film transfer especially around the Count Dooku bike chase. Perhaps there were some bugs to be worked out making acceptable prints from the digital source.

Did anyone see the cut down IMAX version back then?

Wasn’t it mentioned a while back that George deliberately degraded the quality of the 35mm prints to make the digital presentation look superior?

The music is the same as the original. It just starts later in the scene because of the added shot of Slave 1 following the Falcon. But, at the point you are talking about, it is exactly the same as in the original, music wise. There is no jarring or bad edit there. The only thing different is the engine sound. If you wanted to replace it with the original audio you couldn’t without replacing a few shots because the sound effects would not line up with what’s on screen with Slave 1 starting its engines later.

Valheru_84 said:

All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.

Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.

Val

Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.

And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?

Valheru_84 said:

Valheru_84 said:

dahmage said:

Oh cool, ignore what Mark Hamill says today, and keep posting what he said yesterday. Cherry picking.

What did he say today? Got a link? I watch a fair few videos (too many according to Frink) and read plenty of articles as I find them but I haven’t seen and heard everything. However whatever he did say, I don’t see how it would nullify what he plainly says here and in one go. The video is not cut together, it’s one full section of an interview.

So I’m still waiting for that link after you accused me of cherry picking? One way or the other would you mind substantiating your claim, otherwise please revoke that accusation.

Val

Well you did sort of cherry pick what mark was talking about in the video you posted to try and prove your point. For one, that was still an edited video where they only fade in as he is half way through talking ( it should be noted that the video was posted by a youtube user called Jar Jar Abrahms, a user that hates the Disney SW films). You focus on mark saying how he disagreed with how his character is in TLJ in videos, how he "should actually be commended for cleverly telling people how badly written his character is without openly saying it ", yet fail to mention that, in that same video you posted, he is talking about how he doesn’t like being out of his comfort zone. And how it was important for the story and how he came to realise that. Then you go on to say that it was a negative thing when he says that the new trilogy wasn’t all planned out, like that was a bad thing, yet fail to point out that he was wrong when he was talking about how the OT was all planned out.

As for what he said recently, this is one of his tweets:

"I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! "

And this is a comment he made over 7 months ago:

"I was quoted as saying to Rian that I fundamentally disagree with everything you decided about Luke, and it was inartfully phrased. What I was, was surprised at how he saw Luke. And it took me a while to get around to his way of thinking, but once I was there it was a thrilling experience. I hope it will be for the audience too…

Rian Johnson is an amazing filmmaker. And if you look at Brick, or Brothers Bloom, or Looper, each film is different from the last one and they’re so inventive. And I think people will be really pleased and surprised, I know I was."

Most of the videos being branded around are cherry picked, edited pieces to try and prove that mark hated the film, when in fact he did not. It just makes a good story to present things that way and gains clicks. They omit the times he said, prior to the films release, that he said positive things about how Rian handled his character and how his insecurities were just because of the way he saw Luke and not necessarily how he should be portrayed for the story to progress. Now, even when the original full interviews come to light and Mark comes right out and makes things clear, he just gets accused of being forced to say that by Disney. You can take snippets from almost anything to prove a point. It doesn’t mean its correct.

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

maybe.

**sigh

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Warbler said:

How can he sit on a log when before he was just kinda floating? All these answers and more in the next exciting chapter of just try and relax it doesn’t make any difference.

somethings need to be explained somethings don’t. When force ghosts can now do something they couldn’t do before, it requires an explanation. If in the next movie Han Solo(in the flesh, not a ghost) suddenly walks into a room, don’t you think that would require an explanation.

So, when things aren’t explained why force ghosts can suddenly do something that they couldn’t do before, like interact with their surroundings, in the OT, then that’s fine because you say it doesn’t need to be explained. But when they do something they didn’t do before and it isn’t explained in The Last Jedi, a film you don’t like, then it is bad because it requires an explanation, even though it doesn’t?

oojason said:

adywan said:

oojason said:

‘Japan Moviegoers can see The Last Jedi in 4DX with either Light Side or Dark Side special effects’…

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-last-jedi-4dx-light-dark-side-special-effects

I saw TLJ in 4DX. Great experience. Pity they didn’t have those options over here though.

I completely forgot there is a 4DX screen at a Cineworld near me - and still 2 days left showing TLJ 😃

Going to give it go - though definitely a shame no light/dark side effect 😃

If you go, make sure you get one of the seats on the end of the row of 4. Much better movement than the middle two.

oojason said:

‘Japan Moviegoers can see The Last Jedi in 4DX with either Light Side or Dark Side special effects’…

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-last-jedi-4dx-light-dark-side-special-effects

I saw TLJ in 4DX. Great experience. Pity they didn’t have those options over here though.

Warbler said:

In ESB, Obiwan says that if Luke goes to face Vader he will face him alone, “I can not help you”. But look what Yoda did in TLJ. Sure seems like Obiwan could have lent a hand now.

He says “If you chose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere” . This wasn’t that he couldn’t do anything, but the fact that Luke had to face this challenge on his own. He was being warned that he needed to complete his training, but he refused to listen and needed to face the consequences and not feel that Obi-Wan could just come along and save his ass.

And don’t forget Obi-Wan’s line in ANH: “If you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” . Up until TLJ, the most we see a force ghost being able to do is interact with their surroundings by moving some twigs and sitting in a log. A force ghost being able to use that power has been there since day one.

No matter what ending i decide upon for ROTJ:R, the planet wide celebrations will NOT be included. I’ve hated that addition since day one.