Visual comparisons of most of the altered shots seen in the January preview
I thought this was an improvement over the first video, with the only complaint being that he was a bit too flippant about Lucas adding and then removing Luke’s scream. (However, this again would’ve been a great time to note that according to Matthew Wood, it was an error that Lucas never approved of in the first place and that Ben Burtt put it in himself and must’ve forgotten to ask.)
According to Matthew Wood, the scream was added at George’s request for the '97 Special edition. It was when it came around to doing the mix for the 2004 DVD’s that Mathew , who hated the scream, removed the sound effect and George didn’t notice it had gone, so it stayed that way.
Nice to see I’m not the only one who thinks 2011>2020 BD’s. I echo the sentiment on the newer transfers having way too much DNR. I am also surprised by not using 4K77 or 4K83 as a source, though. 4K83, especially, is a pristine print with several excellent color grades available, and I don’t think it’s hard to find spots where it blows away the official releases.
Spots, yeh but not enough to qualify to use fully as a basis for my edits. The BD’s are still the best sources to use for an edit like this, even with their problems. 4k77/83 will be used to remove some of the SE stuff in certain shots, but still mixed in with the BD’s to get the best image.
I’m pretty sure them using Shaw when for unmasked Vader is because he was a seasoned actor who turned in an amazing performance. Prowse was a body actor. Look at his filmography on Wikipedia. I’m not really sure why he was so upset or what he was expecting. Playing tall imposing monsters was basically his thing.
Not saying that in a derogatory way at all. The body acting for Vader by Prowse is masterful. But that’s what Prowse was.I not a huge fan of the prequals, but coming to accept them more since kenobi tie-ins and Hall9000 edits. I actually like this idea for the vader un-masking. and I never thought I would say that (also nice to see it released in HD or scaled). needs some sharpening on the eyes and maybe some fix on the skin under the eyes (compositing), but I like the effort here…still not sure hot it should end with the ghost and was going to go shaw in my extended version, which still might work since he doesn’t speak. I think shaws acting is good and that would still remain.
That actually looks a lot better than I expected. Still needs a lot of work obviously, but it works as a proof-of-concept. For the ghost part, I’ve been thinking for a while that it could be interesting to go all-in on the PT tie-ins by deep faking Yoda and Obi-Wan back to their ROTS versions as well. Maybe even throw in Qui-Gon to really cement the old gang being back together, since him having a force ghost form is apparently canon now.
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Adywan are you fixing shots like these as well to look like the one on the top.
That’s a problem with the 2020 version , i’m using the 2011 mainly. Although that shot is a little softer in detail than the previous shot, it is nowhere near how badly scrubbed the 2020 blu-ray version is. I did give it a tweak to restore the detail though
2011 Blu-Ray
2020 Blu-Ray
ANH:RHD
I really don’t know why so many rave about the 2020 blu-rays. ANH & ESB are worse than the 2011 blu-rays in many respects. ESB is horizontally stretched and cropped, The static grain on all 3 is horrendous, the grading is flat and dull, the terribly executed use of power windows to brighten areas of a shot without bothering to move the masked area to track with the section as it moves in frame is mind blowingly amateurish, especially for someone that is supposed to be a professional, plagued with bed DNR smearing, the films have been scrubbed of so much detail and more. Why we can’t have a decent copy of these films in 2023 is beyond me.
I’m having to combine the two versions. For ANH:RHD, certain shots or sections from the 2011 version are being replaced with the 2020 version, but only in the places where the 2020 has a better image, which surprisingly, isn’t as much as you might think. For ROTJ:R though i’m having to use mainly the 2020 version as this is actually better quality than the 2011 version, for the most part, but there are some parts that are going to have to use the 2011
Adywan are you fixing shots like these as well to look like the one on the top.
That’s a problem with the 2020 version , i’m using the 2011 mainly. Although that shot is a little softer in detail than the previous shot, it is nowhere near how badly scrubbed the 2020 blu-ray version is. I did give it a tweak to restore the detail though
2011 Blu-Ray
2020 Blu-Ray
ANH:RHD
I really don’t know why so many rave about the 2020 blu-rays. ANH & ESB are worse than the 2011 blu-rays in many respects. The static grain is horrendous, the grading is flat and dull, the terribly executed use of power windows to brighten areas of a shot without bothering to move the masked area to track with the section as it moves in frame is mind blowingly amateurish, especially for someone that is supposed to be a professional, plagued with bed DNR smearing, the films have been scrubbed of so much detail and more. Why we can’t have a decent copy of these films in 2023 is beyond me. I’m having to combine the two versions. For ANH:RHD, certain shots or sections from the 2011 version are being replaced with the 2020 version, but only in the places where the 2020 has a better image, which surprisingly, isn’t as much as you might think.
It amazes me how much detail was lost in the re-done scenes of the se:
Blu-ray
4k77 Skymaster edittion
Thats shot is down to lowrys cleanup. There are so many frames in the 2011 release that have part of the image from the following frame . Its usually the first frame in a shot that has a section of the following frame. You can see the ghosting where the real frame in that section is underneath. But also the SE changes, so many weren’t rendered in full HD, just 720p. Some elements weren’t even render in HD at all.
I wonder why we haven’t had a “Disney Gallery” for Andor yet? With Mando & BOBF we have had these a few weeks after the last episode aired, but no sign of one for Andor. There’s already a BTS for Willow which aired its last episode long after Andor.
Just a question
In RO, the DS plans are shown to be white; but for ANH:R HD it’s shown to be in red like in AOTC.
What brought about this change?
They were red in ANH:R, which was completed 8 years before Rogue One was released, so they are staying the same in the HD version. It will still tie in with the plans seen in Rogue One. Someone has already guessed the solution i have done 😉
Per the WordPress site,
“Remove Yub Nub & Victory Celebration”
That must have been written waaaay back, during the briefest of times i was thinking of ending it on the funeral pyre. The ending is going to be pretty much the theatrical ending. NO planets, no Hayden, no Victory Celebration. I hate the SE planet celebrations and victory celebration music. Victory celebration sounds so out of place musically. Williams just basically ripped off the original animatic guide track ( and didn’t even bother to try and hide the fact) and it sounds so out of place in the OT. The guide track was for a Native American mini series and you can tell it still has that theme.
I really hate to be that guy, but the one thing that I question is the color correction made for the binary sunset scene. Shouldn’t it be a bit more towards blue?
You’ve been here long enough, what do you think the answer is going to be?
Ady thinks it looks better.
Without a doubt. Just thought it could use a bit more blue.
Funny enough, when i original graded it, i made it more blue and everyone complained that it should be more red. But it’s a toss up between which version you want to go for. 77 starts with a pinkish sky, then more blue, then the close-up suns its red. 97 cinema release its red sky throughout but the home video its blue . 2011 boosted the blues throughout. 2020 back more to the pink/ red sky. So i just chose to match the sky through the scene
I pasted the officer in white’s footsteps onto the motti shot like you said,
it doesn’t match at all:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iHnnR_QJNAA5S3tXwY4oRa93EtbvWs65/view?usp=sharinghttps://vimeo.com/manage/videos/250641294
The first footstep is off camera
Yep, proof that the footsteps don’t match
“Red R2” issue now fixed 😃
The guy in the white attire officer is not in the script only Motti. Where does it state about this officer?
You wasn’t talking about the officer in white, you were talking about Tarkin viewing Alderaan on the screen not being in the script. Editing your original post to try and make you look " right" won’t work because i quoted your original unedited post.
…all I’m sayibg is “No! Get rid of it, it’s not helping the story” the story is good but having the planet there to explain the viewscreen ruins the story.
Well why wouldn’t you lead with that?
Because it’s not in the screenply or script
Because of the radio drama version of the scene.
And because it does not have a proper sound mix for instance stealing Mottis footsteps.
1 - It IS in the script. Revised Fourth draft March 1976:
2 - The radio drama is an adaptation, padded out and events adapted so they work on radio. Nothing more.
3 - There has been no “stealing Motti’s footsteps”. The footsteps of the officer who approaches Tarkin while he is looking at the viewscreen is foley. Specifically created for that shot, so that the steps match what we see on screen. These " footsteps" would not even work for Motti.
Why did you make the second sun more round in the sunset? Being so low, it ought to be elliptical: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction
It’s the same height to the horizon as it would be in the previous shot, with it being only a couple of seconds after that one. I matched both the suns to their previous state. Both suns wouldn’t be so elliptical as they are in the original version.
As for the red R2, well thats something that was done in the original version and it has been recreated to match that. No one complained about it in 15 years. But i have another option to fix that shot that i’m exploring at the moment.
- The crap Alderaan image out the Death Star window, as fixed way back by Darth Editous.
there was never meant to be a planet at all on the screen at this point. Notti strolls over and states “we have reached the Alderaan system” like Tarkin is blind and princess Leia also is oblivious to the fact she is at alderran too and act’s surprised like it was’nt there already.
The Planet was meant to appear only on the screen when Tarkin says “Home planet of Alderaan”. It was meant to be a reveal at that point.
No true at all. The planet was always meant to be there. It’s a rear projection, so that was all filmed in camera. It’s not an element that was added later.
Seeing that the “Extended Death Star” battle is now no longer being a thing, could it be a possible deleted scene under your Bluray Special Features?
There’s a hell of a lot of work that would be involved in recreating that whole scene in HD and i feel it would be time best spent on working on finishing the trilogy, so it’s a no i’m afraid.
You could just include the 720p version that is already completed; no need for deleted scenes to be full HD
There is no 720p version
NEW COMPARISON VIDEO … See how many changes you can spot. I’ll put together an illustrated list of changes early next week so you can check if you spotted them all
Seeing that the “Extended Death Star” battle is now no longer being a thing, could it be a possible deleted scene under your Bluray Special Features?
There’s a hell of a lot of work that would be involved in recreating that whole scene in HD and i feel it would be time best spent on working on finishing the trilogy, so it’s a no i’m afraid.
Hmmmm I read off Media info it says 23.98 Windows says it’s also 23.98
I will run it through a convertor and see what heppens… This was from a long time ago back in the day 😃
probably a bodged up rip I reckon. I will get another version.
I wasn’t talking about your version. I was talking about kg1977’s link that he posted here:
Ronster said:
I redid the Techdome Edit to improve it and added the Blue Milk Scene.Nice! if you want 1920 wide blue milk with no dust here is a link (no audio).
the google preview stinks so download to see full qual.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o2fmTaQL1RFOqgSPhoSJQkSXiTqc1oQR/view?usp=sharing
I don’t know if the google drive download option from that link is screwed and its only letting me download the preview version, but the version i grabbed (it’s 40mb), which had the duplicate frames, is 29.97fps and contains the duplicate frames and stuttering that was mentioned.
I just checked out your blue milk clip. The problem with the duplicate frames is because it has been encoded at 29fps instead of 23.976, thus adding duplicate frames.
I just noticed a Glitch right edge of the screen:
Nice catch. Thanks 😃
Checking the original 720p master , the glitch isn’t there but it is on the 1080p upscale master. Looks like part of the next shot bleeds into this one for a couple of frames. I’ll fix it 😃 If you spot any more, please let me know so i can fix them for the full release
It’s strange how this one shot has been taken out of every online version of the latest season 3 trailer and can only be seen in the trailer on the USA version of Disney+
DevEd V.1
DevEd V.2
Flipping the Death Star causes problems with the lighting now coming from the wrong direction when compared to the stardestroyer.
