adywan

The music is the same as the original. It just starts later in the scene because of the added shot of Slave 1 following the Falcon. But, at the point you are talking about, it is exactly the same as in the original, music wise. There is no jarring or bad edit there. The only thing different is the engine sound. If you wanted to replace it with the original audio you couldn’t without replacing a few shots because the sound effects would not line up with what’s on screen with Slave 1 starting its engines later.

Valheru_84 said:

All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.

Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.

Val

Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.

And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?

Valheru_84 said:

Valheru_84 said:

dahmage said:

Oh cool, ignore what Mark Hamill says today, and keep posting what he said yesterday. Cherry picking.

What did he say today? Got a link? I watch a fair few videos (too many according to Frink) and read plenty of articles as I find them but I haven’t seen and heard everything. However whatever he did say, I don’t see how it would nullify what he plainly says here and in one go. The video is not cut together, it’s one full section of an interview.

So I’m still waiting for that link after you accused me of cherry picking? One way or the other would you mind substantiating your claim, otherwise please revoke that accusation.

Val

Well you did sort of cherry pick what mark was talking about in the video you posted to try and prove your point. For one, that was still an edited video where they only fade in as he is half way through talking ( it should be noted that the video was posted by a youtube user called Jar Jar Abrahms, a user that hates the Disney SW films). You focus on mark saying how he disagreed with how his character is in TLJ in videos, how he "should actually be commended for cleverly telling people how badly written his character is without openly saying it ", yet fail to mention that, in that same video you posted, he is talking about how he doesn’t like being out of his comfort zone. And how it was important for the story and how he came to realise that. Then you go on to say that it was a negative thing when he says that the new trilogy wasn’t all planned out, like that was a bad thing, yet fail to point out that he was wrong when he was talking about how the OT was all planned out.

As for what he said recently, this is one of his tweets:

"I regret voicing my doubts & insecurities in public.Creative differences are a common element of any project but usually remain private. All I wanted was to make good movie. I got more than that- @rianjohnson made an all-time GREAT one! "

And this is a comment he made over 7 months ago:

"I was quoted as saying to Rian that I fundamentally disagree with everything you decided about Luke, and it was inartfully phrased. What I was, was surprised at how he saw Luke. And it took me a while to get around to his way of thinking, but once I was there it was a thrilling experience. I hope it will be for the audience too…

Rian Johnson is an amazing filmmaker. And if you look at Brick, or Brothers Bloom, or Looper, each film is different from the last one and they’re so inventive. And I think people will be really pleased and surprised, I know I was."

Most of the videos being branded around are cherry picked, edited pieces to try and prove that mark hated the film, when in fact he did not. It just makes a good story to present things that way and gains clicks. They omit the times he said, prior to the films release, that he said positive things about how Rian handled his character and how his insecurities were just because of the way he saw Luke and not necessarily how he should be portrayed for the story to progress. Now, even when the original full interviews come to light and Mark comes right out and makes things clear, he just gets accused of being forced to say that by Disney. You can take snippets from almost anything to prove a point. It doesn’t mean its correct.

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

maybe.

**sigh

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

there is nothing in the movie that says force ghosts require storm clouds to bring down lightening.

You mean apart from the fact that the lightning emanated from the storm clouds and not just magically appeared from thin air or from a cloudless sky? That’s a visual explanation right there. Yoda manipulates the weather.

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

I thought Yoda was just guiding the lightning not creating it.

sure looked like he created it to me.

Big difference between manipulating the weather to create lighting and firing it out of your fingertips. It’s been suggested in the past Yoda used the Force to make sure Luke crashed in just the right spot on Dagobah. That was some choppy weather he hit coming into the atmosphere.

I don’t think he just manipulated the weather.

And yet he did. There is a wide shot where you see the storm clouds above the island and you can see the lightning coming out of the clouds around the island and not just the bolt that strikes the tree. Have you seen the film just the once? Because it seems like you just missed that bit, but you’re refusing to listen to people that have seen the film multiple times or noticed what was happening.

I’ll be glad when the blu-ray comes out so we can post screenshots.

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

He needs storm clouds? That is never explained. What if in a future movie a force user does it without storm clouds, then can I ask why force ghost Yoda doesn’t zap the Emperor in ROTJ?

The fact that there are storm clouds coming in overhead and the lightning comes from those clouds that we clearly see in the film, isn’t enough to explain where the lightning comes from? What more did you need? Ric Olie suddenly popping his head from behind a rock to explain where it came from? 😉

Warbler said:

adywan said:

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Whatever you want to call it, it sure would have been nice if had used it on the Emperor in ROTJ after Yoda died.

Please point me to the scene in the Emperors throne room where there were storm clouds over head so we could have had the same lightning and then i’d agree with you.

Warbler said:

2. the minor interaction with surroundings we see in ROTJ don’t matter near as much as finding out that force ghost Obiwan and Yoda maybe could have appeared before the Emperor and Vader and zapped them.

But Yoda didn’t just zap the tree out of thin air like the force lighting the Emperor uses. This has already been explained to you.

Warbler said:

How can he sit on a log when before he was just kinda floating? All these answers and more in the next exciting chapter of just try and relax it doesn’t make any difference.

somethings need to be explained somethings don’t. When force ghosts can now do something they couldn’t do before, it requires an explanation. If in the next movie Han Solo(in the flesh, not a ghost) suddenly walks into a room, don’t you think that would require an explanation.

So, when things aren’t explained why force ghosts can suddenly do something that they couldn’t do before, like interact with their surroundings, in the OT, then that’s fine because you say it doesn’t need to be explained. But when they do something they didn’t do before and it isn’t explained in The Last Jedi, a film you don’t like, then it is bad because it requires an explanation, even though it doesn’t?

oojason said:

adywan said:

oojason said:

‘Japan Moviegoers can see The Last Jedi in 4DX with either Light Side or Dark Side special effects’…

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-last-jedi-4dx-light-dark-side-special-effects

I saw TLJ in 4DX. Great experience. Pity they didn’t have those options over here though.

I completely forgot there is a 4DX screen at a Cineworld near me - and still 2 days left showing TLJ 😃

Going to give it go - though definitely a shame no light/dark side effect 😃

If you go, make sure you get one of the seats on the end of the row of 4. Much better movement than the middle two.

oojason said:

‘Japan Moviegoers can see The Last Jedi in 4DX with either Light Side or Dark Side special effects’…

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-wars-last-jedi-4dx-light-dark-side-special-effects

I saw TLJ in 4DX. Great experience. Pity they didn’t have those options over here though.

Warbler said:

In ESB, Obiwan says that if Luke goes to face Vader he will face him alone, “I can not help you”. But look what Yoda did in TLJ. Sure seems like Obiwan could have lent a hand now.

He says “If you chose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere” . This wasn’t that he couldn’t do anything, but the fact that Luke had to face this challenge on his own. He was being warned that he needed to complete his training, but he refused to listen and needed to face the consequences and not feel that Obi-Wan could just come along and save his ass.

And don’t forget Obi-Wan’s line in ANH: “If you strike me down, i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.” . Up until TLJ, the most we see a force ghost being able to do is interact with their surroundings by moving some twigs and sitting in a log. A force ghost being able to use that power has been there since day one.

No matter what ending i decide upon for ROTJ:R, the planet wide celebrations will NOT be included. I’ve hated that addition since day one.

Matt.F said:

Right at the end of AOTC there are a couple of seconds of footage of Bail on a balcony dropping his head and striking his fist on the rail in defeat.

It’s a sunset scene with red lighting and so it would be perfect to repurpose as the moment when he sees the apocalyptic destruction wave roll across Alderaan towards him. It also has the classic iconography of a King on their balcony surveying their Kingdom, so even first time viewers ought to be able to make the implied connection that this Royal-looking person is Princess Leia’s father.

Thats the exact shot i used in the deleted scene. But i was never going to add that scene into the movie. It was done just for fun and i won;t be adding anything like that in the HD version.

hgfed said:

I believe I found an error in ESB: Revisited. During the scene where the Millenium Falcon escapes the empire by floating away with the garbage there is a bad/choppy music cut out when the scene switches to Boba Fett following them in the cockpit of his ship. I checked the Despecialized edition and it doesn’t seem to have this issue. I don’t know how difficult it would be but perhaps this is something that can be corrected on the BD-25 release.

The scene is different from the original cut seen in despecialized. When they added in the extra shots of slave 1, they moved the music forward in the scene, so the music cue appears at a slightly different point. I didn’t alter the music when it switches to Boba Fett in the cockpit. it’s as it appears in the Blu-ray.

At all 4 showings i went to so far for TLJ, every joke got a laugh. Not just by one or two, but by most attending. At the midnight showing, the laughs were louder because the cinema was packed, same with the second showing. When the cinema is less packed the laughter can be quieter or when there are not many in there, people can be a little self conscious and tend not to laugh as much or as loudly, if at all. Happens with every film. The jokes in TLJ worked perfectly fine.

One thing i have to say since seeing the 2D presentation though is, i take back everything i said about Yoda. What the hell did they do in the 3D conversion? Did they overscrub the grain or something? Yoda, in the 3D presentations looked very smooth and almost waxy. Yet the 2D showing he looked amazing. Just like ESB Yoda. The only thing i noticed was the the puppeteer closed the mouth too tight and caused the face to squash, giving it a strange puffy look a couple of times. But that was the only thing that looked off in the 2D showing. In fact , effects wise, the whole film looked better in 2D

I hope everyone had a great Christmas and New year.

Things have been pretty slow here. I’m finally recovering from 4 weeks of flu and bronchitis , which knocked me for six. So i haven’t been able to do much. But that is going to change in the next week…

I’ll soon be making the B-wing pilot costumes. For the most part I’ll be sticking to the versions they made for ROTJ (but were only ever seen in the background). The only thing i will be drastically changing will be the helmets. The original ones designed and built for ROTJ looked awful. More like earmuffs than actual helmets. I never liked that design so the new ones will have more of a helmet like appearance. The design is almost locked down so i will start sculpting them in the next couple of weeks.

The cockpit designs are also near completion. Lot’s to work out with this though as the cockpit needs to be on some sort of low cost gimbal to give the rocking motion seen in other cockpit shots in ROTJ and for any dramatic shaking needed during the battle. I have a few ideas & one which i’m most likely going to go with that would be quite easy and effective to implement.

Now, staying with the pilots, i will be shortly opening auditions for the pilots. These will be short video auditions that can be easily sent to be via the net. It would, unfortunately, only be open to people that would be available in the first 2 weeks of July, that can get to Wolverhampton for the shooting dates. This would preferably people within the Midlands. More detail about this will be posted soon…

Thanks to being out of action due to illness, i haven’t been able to complete the new PC, but i can get back on that now. So i haven’t been able to get back to work on the colour grading work on ANH & ROTJ after the Xmas break. But that side of things should be completed within the next month, hopefully. So i can then get stuck into the editing and begin the effects work and pre-viz for all the new battle scenes in ROTJ.

Now quite a few people messaged me and posted about a video that has been circulating of a revamped Vader/ Obi-Wan duel from ANH and suggesting that i use footage from that in ANH:R HD. Well, unfortunately (from the preview clips that the creator posted) , that isn’t going to be possible. Not only is the video processed in a stylised way, but also the low camera angles do not match the cinematography seen in the film. It just would not blend in very well. When creating new footage to be inserted in any of the films you have to do it in a way that matches the look of the film. I personally think the re-imagining of the scene done by this person is amazing, but it’s just something that i feel would not fit well when inserted in the film itself.

Also i have been asked many times why i will be altering the design of the Tydirium shuttle. Well it’s something that never seemed right with me ever since my first viewings of ROTJ. Why would they use the same type of shuttle that dignitaries like the Emperor and Vader use for parts and work crew? They wouldn’t. It really needed to be a different type of shuttle.

So that’s it. Over the coming weeks i will post some of the new designs of the cockpits, helmets, shuttle etc. There won’t be any video clips for a few months yet (maybe some to show the colour grading) because i won;t be at the stage where i can share anything new.

Looks like i have a lot of catching up to do in here. I’ll try to answer some of the questions/ suggestions as soon as possible. I’m still not 100% at the moment and reading gives me a headache thanks to this bug, so it won’t be for a few days at least.

Valheru_84 said:

The TIE fighters being there and Millenium Falcon dropping in out of no where (with accompanying “WOOO!” except it’s not Han saying it this time) to save the lone ship flying in a straight line (like in a trench) as the last hope in destroying “old Death Star tech” just before it fires on the Rebel base, is an element taken straight out of ANH and mixed into the recycled TESB battle of Hoth.

Valheru_84 said:

I agree that at first I had attributed the scene to that same particular trope but after looking at it in a new light of realisation I am sure this is Luke’s final trench run recycled for this scene, or at least parts of it and the Falcon coming to the rescue out of no where. We just needed Rey to shout over the radio “You’re all clear Finn. Now let’s blow this thing and go home!” and there would be no doubt about it 😉

Except this doesn’t happen in the film. The Falcon appears and draws the fighters off long before the weapon even starts firing and Finn does his Kamikaze run. The speeders are flying in all directions to evade the TIE’s when the Falcon appears.

Now this is good 😉

https://imgur.com/a/6smO9

https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-mark-hamill-mo-cap-performance-canto-bight/

Valheru_84 said:

adywan said:

And to those that say that part of the backlash against TLJ has nothing to do with racist/ misogynistic/hompophobic feelings in the SW community, you only have to see this one post on facebook and read the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682570385096504&set=gm.531837527203014&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And that is just ONE post. I’m seeing shit like this all the time. It’s starting to flood the net now. My Youtube channel got spammed with this type of crap and its all over facebook. Comments galore about how Kennedy is pushing a female agenda and making all the males into pussys, pushing forced diversity just for the Asian market, that they didn’t need all this shit in the OT and the prequels did a proper job at showing what the races really are like, how Rey should have been a guy and it would have made her being so powerful believable because women are weaker than men, and it goes on, but there is so much that i would never repeat.

Yes, its fine that people don’t like this movie, but you cannot deny that a large section think they are on a crusade against anything that isn’t white powerful and male. It’s gotten a lot worse since a certain person was elected as now they think their beliefs are accepted. It just makes me sick what the fandom has become.

I definitely don’t deny that such a demographic exists and it makes it a mine field to navigate if such issues do actually exist in a movie and you want to try and discuss them without being labelled and lobbed into that group. There is definitely no place for racist, misogynistic or homophobic comments in discussion about TLJ and the idea that Rey should have been male is just ridiculous. As with the selection of any future SW movie directors or actors for a role, gender should not ever come into the equation but simply be the best person for the job regardless of gender unless the character itself calls for a specific gender. In the case of Rey, it could have been written for either gender or easily adjusted as required depending on who won the role.

Agreed. It’s something i’ve seen growing. TFA, you had this happen to a degree, but it’s been the past year that it’s really blown up and TLJ seems to have really brought out the sickening behaviour. There are many many groups of facebook dedicated solely to this kind of thing. Most are secret so you can’t see the content unless you are added. For some reason i keep getting added to these secret groups, so i see what is going on before blocking them from re-adding me again. Just prior to TLJ there was already many campaigns underway to not only ruin the movie for others by spamming every SW group with spoilers, but to also make their grievances heard about how Disney is alienating white males etc etc by downvoting any positive youtube reviews/ videos, spam negative commenting/ reviewing on the main sites ( facebook, IMDb, RT etc) even if they haven;t seen the movie. Makes me laugh in some sad way. They want to go out of their way to give Disney the middle finger, yet pay to go see the film on opening night just so they can spoil it for everyone else. They must lead such sad lives. I, myself, have received strings of abuse the second i said " i liked TLJ".

Which is why i think the term “Mary Sue” should no longer be acceptable to use any more. It may once have been used to mean one thing, but it is more commonly used now in a completely different way by these morons.

And to those that say that part of the backlash against TLJ has nothing to do with racist/ misogynistic/hompophobic feelings in the SW community, you only have to see this one post on facebook and read the comments:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1682570385096504&set=gm.531837527203014&type=3&theater&ifg=1

And that is just ONE post. I’m seeing shit like this all the time. It’s starting to flood the net now. My Youtube channel got spammed with this type of crap and its all over facebook. Comments galore about how Kennedy is pushing a female agenda and making all the males into pussys, pushing forced diversity just for the Asian market, that they didn’t need all this shit in the OT and the prequels did a proper job at showing what the races really are like, how Rey should have been a guy and it would have made her being so powerful believable because women are weaker than men, and it goes on, but there is so much that i would never repeat.

Yes, its fine that people don’t like this movie, but you cannot deny that a large section think they are on a crusade against anything that isn’t white powerful and male. It’s gotten a lot worse since a certain person was elected as now they think their beliefs are accepted. It just makes me sick what the fandom has become.

Zak fett said:

Plus Yoda says “there’s nothing in the books that the girl rey doesn’t already know”.

No, he did not say that. He said “There is nothing in that library that the girl does not already possess.” , meaning Yoda knew that Bey had taken the books before he burned the tree down. The library was now empty.

Collipso said:

I think that lots of criticism towards both movies upon release are the same, from what the link SilverWook provided tells and from what I can see of TLJ’s reaction.

However, some criticism towards TLJ isn’t about the moviemaking aspect. It’s about the literal core of the characters, with lots of people thinking Luke was ruined, or that Rey doesn’t obey the rules of the universe, etc etc.

And those complaints aren’t going away. They’re problems the audience has with the core of the movie, and I see it as different from the criticisms TESB received upon release.

There were many criticisms about the characters when ESB came out. Claiming they ruined Leia because they turned her into a cow that tossed aside Luke and there is no way she would ever have been interested in Han. That they ruined Luke. They turned him from this hero that was powerful enough to destroy the Death Star and now he is this winging kid who is now a failure because he can’t do some simple tricks that the muppet asks him to do and then who gets his ass kicked and cries like a baby. And having 3P0 & R2 split up for most of the film also received a lot of flack .