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Bosk said:

How anyone could say this was a “fan’s film” or “the fans will like it” is beyond me. They must have been referring to prequel/SE fans. I consider myself a real fan of the Out and to me Tfa was an epic fail!

Speak for yourself. I’m certainly not a SE/PT fan and i loved this film. I know many people who only like the unaltered versions, like myself, and hate the PT, but loved TFA. It certainly WAS a “fan’s film”. It brought a LOT of people back into the fandom that had given up after the SE/PT.

Bosk said:

TV’s Frink said:

Also, fuck you for comparing a movie to an abortion. I don’t care if the dictionary definition technically supports your using it, it’s not right. No better than people bitching about Lucas raping anything.

Lucas raped star wars when he did the special editions and prequels they were proper abortion movies, especially the new cave they made for OB1 out of CGI, the color was all wrong. j/k

I’m not clairvoyant, it’s a term often used to describe something rubbish in the UK. I don’t know what your issue is with these words but tbh I don’t care , this is about Star wars, not YOU!

Where in the UK are you then? It’s certainly NOT a term often used to describe something rubbish anywhere i have lived in the UK.

He forgot to also mention that the rod section on 3p0’s arm also breaks and is hanging off for the whole scene. Both have been fixed

Alderaan said:

There was a moment where Han asked Rey to join his crew, and I thought that was a good scene between them, but it got squashed by her refusal. It would have been so much more effective if her character had wanted to get off Jakku, and a backstory of her loneliness had been played up leading to that moment, and then she accepted Han’s offer. That would have created a far more significant bond between the two of them.

And, if she had wanted to get off Jakku, the complaints would have been that it’s just copying Luke’s story.

The thing with Rey’s story is that she DIDN’T want to leave Jakku. She was ever hopeful that her family would come back to collect her. This was the hope that kept her going. As soon as she was off the planet she needed to go back. She was terrified that they would return and she wouldn’t be there. When Han asked her, you could see she really wanted to join him, but knew that she couldn’t . The hope that they would return wouldn’t let her. It wasn’t until after the force vision and the conversation with Maz, that she came to the realisation that they were never coming back for her.

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m reposting this here because it will be fun watching some of you try to explain it away or insist it’s not the same thing.

Lord Haseo said:

RicOlie_2 said:

It isn’t the existence of those that bothers me, it’s the number and density of them at the beginning of TFA that I disliked. Had they been more spread out, and/or with a couple of them feeling less coincidental, it would have been far better.

STAR WARS had a lot of plot conveniences

1. R2 and C3P0 happen to land somewhere conveniently on the side of the planet where Luke is

R2 piloted the escape pod to the location Leia told him to go. The escape pod was navigable, unlike the TIE fighter Poe and Finn were in in TFA, where the TIE fighter was shot and crash landed on Jakku.

Where is the movie is it shown to be navigable? Nowhere. What we see on screen is an escape pod falling towards the planet. And, by the way its wobbling around, it certainly isn’t being controlled.

The sound mix is different between the IMAX3D and the regular 3D/2D. A LOT of effects are missing or buried deep in the IMAX mix. The opening music also sounded empty, almost synthesised. Saw it first at the midnight showing on the 17th, IMAX3D. Apart from the sound mix, there were no differences in the film itself that i could see in other viewings (D-Box 3d & 2D)

adywan said:

Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.

The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.

In TFA, on the other hand, the director focused almost all of the attention on the interaction between Han and Kylo. The slow frame rate killed the scene. Just brutal. There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.

Slow frame rate? there was no slow frame rate in that scene. Slow framerate is used when Vader cuts down obi-wan, but not in TFA

Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:
My least favorite scene in ANH was when Vader kills Obi-Wan. That scene totally blows because it forced unnecessary emotion on us, because Obi dies with someone he’s only in one scene with.

The scene wasn’t emotional because of Vader/Obi-Wan, it was emotional because of Luke/Obi-Wan. They had a lot of history together, on-screen, and Obi-Wan was Luke’s mentor. As soon as Vader strikes Obi-Wan down, which happens very quickly, there is a quick cut to Luke’s reaction. The director understood that the most important aspect of the scene was Luke’s reaction to his mentor’s death.

In TFA, on the other hand, the director focused almost all of the attention on the interaction between Han and Kylo. The slow frame rate killed the scene. Just brutal. There were cutaway shots to Leia, Chew, and Rey, but they all failed for various reasons.

Slow frame rate? there was no slow frame rate in that scene.

Alderaan said:

TV’s Frink said:
Don’t know where you get that from. These two scenes have nothing in common. Complain about TFA recycling ANH all you want, but this is a real stretch.

A monster snatches one of the heroes and drags him under water/throughout the ship, putting his life in danger.

No similarities obviously.

A monster snatches one of the heroes and drags him away, putting his life in danger.

So was the Wampa scene a rip off of the trash compactor scene too because, according to your explanation of the similarities, it has to be as only the places it takes place are different according to you

xxtelecine 7xx said:

oh_riginal said:

Gorilla said:

ray_afraid said:

^Yeah, I’ve thought the same thing. None of the plans he’s announced contradict anything from TFA, but, we don’t know everything he has planned.

Actually, a BIG change he was planning on making was having Lando and the Falcon not making it out of the Death Star before it explodes. I believe Adywan said he wanted to give more weight to the scene in the Rebel hanger on Home One where Han believes he’ll never see the Falcon again after he loans it to Lando for the battle.

I’ve never had a problem with any of Adywan’s decisions he’s made in his revisions to this point, except this one. I don’t like it at all. I hope very much he has reconsidered.

Pretty sure that was revealed to just be a joke, and everyone just took it as gospel.

At this point I don’t see how he could clearly do this because the falcon lives in the new movies

Well Revisited is within its own canon as a 6 film saga. It isn’t meant to be viewed alongside the new films. It can’t possibly be made to fit in. As i have said before, if i wanted these films to perfectly match with whatever is coming up, then i wouldn’t even be able to start them until all of the films had been released. And people moan now about how long ESB is taking. Can you imagine what it would be like if i couldn’t start any of the other films until they had completely finished the episodic films? And who is to say they will stop at ep9?

So, it wouldn’t really matter if i did destroy the falcon and Lando along with it at the end of ROTJ 😉

Bosk said:

adywan said:

Bosk said:

adywan said:

Bosk said:

Yes he is behind some brilliant fantasy/adventure films, Indiana Jones, labyrinth, the dark crystal, dare I say willow.

You’re getting Lucas mixed up with Gary Kurtz for Dark Crystal. George wasn’t involved in that film.

He produced it with him as he did numerous films

No, he didn’t. Kurtz produced it with Henson. George had nothing to do with it. He was busy with ROTJ at the time

Okay… He was one of the main writers, so he did help produce the film.

I’m not sure if you’re just trolling now. The writers were Jim Henson ( story) and David Odell (screenplay). Again, George had NOTHING to do with Dark Crystal.

Bosk said:

adywan said:

Bosk said:

Yes he is behind some brilliant fantasy/adventure films, Indiana Jones, labyrinth, the dark crystal, dare I say willow.

You’re getting Lucas mixed up with Gary Kurtz for Dark Crystal. George wasn’t involved in that film.

He produced it with him as he did numerous films

No, he didn’t. Kurtz produced it with Henson. George had nothing to do with it. He was busy with ROTJ at the time

Bosk said:

Yes he is behind some brilliant fantasy/adventure films, Indiana Jones, labyrinth, the dark crystal, dare I say willow.

You’re getting Lucas mixed up with Gary Kurtz for Dark Crystal. George wasn’t involved in that film.

Bosk said:

I should just disappear quietly. No one needs to hear from me.

Fixed 😉

John Doom said:

btw, where did he find Poe’s jacket? Did it magically fly off the TIE without his owner? 😄

The jacket was in the TIE caught on the damaged window. Poe took it off and threw it on the floor when he climbed in there when they were escaping the stardestroyer. Nothing magic about it.

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’m sorry, I must have missed the part in the original trilogy where they show how quicksand in a desert is against the rules.

Oh, no. It’s OK. You didn’t miss that, as there wasn’t any contrived quicksand in the OT.

But as explained elsewhere in this thread, the “dry quicksand” element is contrived because the planet Jakku is literally littered with junk from previous battles that has not been eaten up by any quicksand. So here we have a case where a fantasy isn’t bothering to follow its own rules.

I know, I know. Let me say it for you so you don’t have to waste keystrokes: Poe & Finn’s TIE fighter just so happened to land on a spot of dry quicksand…and it’s sort of “delayed-acting dry quicksand.” That is, it only activates at the key moment a main movie character comes upon a vessel sitting upon it that needs to be conveniently gotten rid of to move the contrived story along.

So what we really have is this: If the TIE fighter is crashed, logically (again, here we go, trying to apply logic to this mess), Finn would climb into the wreckage to find Poe, the guy who just helped him escape certain death. Upon not locating Poe’s body, Finn, a decent human being, would be compelled to, you know, go look around the desert some to try to find Poe – after all, maybe he’s still alive somewhere and desperately in need of help. But no. We don’t want to waste valuable screen time with all that logic mess, so we’ll just have the desert swallow up the TIE fighter and “explain” it away by having another character babble something about quicksand earlier.

OH! But wait a minute. Finn found Poe’s jacket. This would give him evidence that Poe survived the crash and took the jacket off because it’s hot. Right? So, logically, wouldn’t Finn conclude that Poe is still alive? And, you know, probably wandering around the desert, hoping to find Finn? Nah! Let’s put the jacket on in an arid desert, forget about that schmuck Poe, go wander down to the settlement, and then tell everybody there that I meet that Poe didn’t make it – even though I have good reason to believe he did make it.

You really need to go back and watch the film.

Finn gets to the crashed TIE , approaches the cockpit shouting for Poe, moves the jacket so he can look inside the cockpit, but the moment he tries to look inside the ground begins to give way and the TIE sinks. He doesn’t get a chance to climb inside. This all happens within a few seconds. Finn shouts out for Poe as it is sinking. He believes he was trapped inside the ship and dies. So why the hell would he go off in search of someone he believes is dead?

It was established prior to this that there is an area called the sinking fields when Rey tells BB-8 he needs to avoid that area. Its never referred to as quick sand. For all we know the sinking fields are created by a creature burrowing under the sand causing the surface to destabilise because of the tunnels. Notice there is no junk in that area at all. Just because the TIE sunk in that one area does not mean that all the other junk littered around, in different areas, would also sink. How is it any less plausible than someone being able to move objects with their mind, or any less convenient that the ship lands in those fields as it is that they happen to stumble upon the death star so they can rescue the princess?

After seeing TFA for the third time, my ratings are:

#1 - ESB:- 9/10
#2 - ANH:- 8.5/10
#3 - TFA:- 8/10
#4 - ROTJ:-6/10
#5 - AOTC:-2/10
#6 - ROTS:- 1.5/10
#7 - TPM:- 0.5/10

John Doom said:

While watching TFA, I was wondering how comes Rey can pilot ships. I understand she’s a scavenger, and she might’ve learned about mechanics in her work (though unlikely in real life), but when did she learn how to fly too? I mean, Luke has been in the Academy for some time before ANH, but what about Rey? She seems so poor she can only afford buying food, nevermind going to the Academy.
Without a proper answer from the movie, I’d say it’s too convinient to the writers that she’s got all those skills to show off just at the right time 😄

When did Luke ever go to the Academy? Certainly wasn’t in the film i watched 😉

All we ever knew of Luke piloting anything was his Skyhopper. Yet he was suddenly able to pilot an X-wing. We had never seen Leia pilot anything, yet she was suddenly able to fly the Falcon. It’s obvious that Rey had been working on the Falcon as she was knowledgeable about the modifications that Unkar Plutt had done to the ship. She isn’t exactly great at flying the falcon at first either. She almost destroys it trying to take off. So why is this so unrealistic to some, yet are fine with Luke being able to perfectly fly a ship he had never had any experience with before and Leia flying a ship when she had never piloted anything up until that point? Luke’s piloting skills were never even mentioned by anyone else until the Special Editions, yet we were all fine with it before then.

ZkinandBonez said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

ZkinandBonez said:
I can’t remember hearing Snoke’s “there’s been an awakening” line in the film.

In the film, Kylo says to Snoke ‘There has been an awakening, have you felt it?’ and Snoke responds in the affirmative.

Wasn’t it Snoke who said it in the first teaser though?

It still is Snoke saying it in the film, not Kylo

Admiral Motti said:

I really did not like Finn. First, I still find it improbable that there would be a black stormtrooper. In the original trilogy, all of the Imperials were white human males. If the First Order is modeling themselves on the fascist Empire, I wouldn’t expect any females, blacks, or alien races in its military.

Yeh, because there were no black stormtroopers in the OT, right? SMH

Yoda Is Your Father said:

1. CGI characters. Maz, Snoke, that dude who gives Rey her rations… Prosthetics would have looked better in my humble opinion.

The Character giving Rey her rations was Simon Peggs character. It wasn’t CG, unless they emnhanced the face during post production. Hopefully we get to see the character in behind the scenes stuff

http://i2.wp.com/bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/simonpegg-sizzlereel-featurette-combo.jpg

Peter only played Chewbacca in the seated parts because of his health problems. The rest of the time he was played by a Finnish actor:

http://news.yahoo.com/meet-the-new-chewbacca-in-star-wars-the-force-183503009.html

LexX said:

DominicCobb said:

How does everyone feel about the new version of the main title? It’s got quite a different feel to it. I wish I knew how to describe music better, because I can pinpoint it but I can’t put it into words. It took me a little off guard when the film started, but I think I like it as sort of a new version for this new generation in the franchise’s history.

I noticed that too immediately. Not sure what to think about it, either.

It depends what version of the film you saw. The main title sounded really weird when i saw it fist in the IMAX3D showing. Almost sounded synthesised and completely lacking. It was really jarring. When i got home i immediately put the soundtrack CD on and it sounded completely different. Went to see the Real3D D-Box version the next day and it sounded like the soundtrack CD version. There was definitely something not right with the whole Imax audio. Almost as if the whole mix was wrong.

emanswfan said:

Wait a minute I just realized. Where’s Constable Zuvio? I didn’t see him at all.

its a blink and you’ll miss it shot in the Force vision Rey has after grabbing the lightsaber. And it looks like he was getting killed by a lightsaber ( not sure if it was or not because the shot went by so fast)

Well , today , work on the practical side of things for ESB:R has ceased until the new year.

The models in the photos i just posted are 99% completed. Just a few more minor detailing to add, including the Millennium Falcon’s ramp, and they are ready for filming.

The Han in Carbonite is also now completed. But filming will now have to wait until the new year as it’s now stored in my workroom while we get everything ready for Christmas.

So , in the new year, i will just need to finish building the Falcon hangar miniature set and shoot it, shoot the transport hangar set, shoot the Han in Carbonite prop and then add them all into the film. Once they are out of the way, the only thing left to make and film will be the Wampa. The audio , i have already started on , and is about 75% completed.

With TFA and Christmas right around the corner, i won’t be posting a preview clip this Christmas. To be honest, i’ve probably showed too much already. But the main reason is that i just won’t have the time to do anything. I just want to forget about Revisited until the new Year and concentrate on spending time with my family ( and going to see TFA of course 😉 )

So, as i probably won’t be around much from now until the new year, we would like to wish you all , from the entire Revisited team, a very Merry Christmas ( or whatever holiday you may be celebrating) and a Happy New Year…

See you in 2016

I would have posted all the pictures directly here, but this editor is a nightmare to use for me, especially with not being able to resize pictures, add links embedded in the pics to see them full size, have links open in a separate tab/ window etc, so here is the link to the facebook photo album:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1204096799605900.1073741835.223279371020986&type=3

DarthJezmoz said:

Let me just say TFA will be massive let down to any purist. The darkside of the force=SITH even the shitty prequels kept to that!

It was the prequels that introduced having darkside users being Sith. The OT had ONE Dark Lord of the Sith; Vader. Palpatine wasn’t a Sith until the prequels and then everybody became a Darth . Sith weren’t even mentioned in the OT. So this whole thing with the Sith is a prequel thing.

DarthJezmoz said:

There are already big warning signs for me

3. Space ships battling above land (as seen in trailer) Q. Star Wars? A. Yes, indicates battles in SPACE.

We’ve already seen there is a battle in space in one of the trailers.

But why do there have to be battles in space? Empire didn’t have a single battle in space. Just chases. The battle was on the ground. Just because the film has the title Star wars, does not mean that every battle has to take place in Space.