adywan

There are plenty of terms that started out as one thing and were distorted over time to be derogatory towards a certain race or sex. Mary Sue is one of those.

"Mary-Sue
A sexist term used to enforce the misogynistic ideals that female characters/authors shouldn’t be allowed to fantasize or write anything along the lines of wish fulfillment. Its misogynistic qualities are exemplified in many ways, most notably being the fact that it’s not a term dominated by the male counterpart despite existing in a patriarchal society, as well as the fact that the male counterpart is largely undecided upon in name and also undefined (see urban dictionary’s Gary Stu entry which has no definition but to say “A Male Mary Sue”, and the Marty-Stu entry which involves the “Mary Sue” definition to define it).

It’s usually used on the whole to bully new authors out of writing female characters altogether, making the task seem so daunting to some that they now only write slash fictions with two male characters, also exemplifying the misogynistic qualities this term involves."

MaximRecoil said:

That’s not the next time she shoots. She hits another trooper with one shot, and that was with a quick turn-around shot no less. As for Kylo Ren, it had already been established in the movie that he can use the force to manipulate fired blaster bolts, to the point of even freezing them in mid-air for an extended period of time, so there’s no way to know if her aim is off or if he’s altering the course of the bolt.

Next time she even fires a gun is when Han is killed and her aim is all over the place. Finn is also firing and yet they only manage to hit 2 troopers, and that could have been Finn hitting his mark.

They don’t even show where her shots were going in that scene. They showed her firing but kept the camera on her, and when they did cut away they showed two troopers getting shot, with no indication of who fired the shots. In other words, that scene is irrelevant, because the camera didn’t show whether she hit anything or not.

So, apart from hitting two troopers with 3 shots (not exactly expert and the second trooper wasn’t exactly a quick turn around shot either) you make excuses for the other two times she shoots at anything. So where the hell is there any indication that she is an expert? Your excuses actually show that there is no way to know if she is a good shot or not. I wonder if you say the same thing about Luke, who had NO combat experience, as far as we knew through the film had never fired a gun before, yet was able to expertly shoot out the door controls from the other side of the hangar bay with one shot?

MaximRecoil said:

adywan said:

Wrong. She attempts to fire the pistol at the Maz’s castle attack and forgets the safety is on. Then fires and misses before hitting the trooper and then runs away when the other troopers start firing.

Exactly. She goes from a complete novice who has never fired a gun, to an expert after missing just one shot (every subsequent shot was a hit).

Maybe you should go back and watch the film. Rey fires twice before hitting the first trooper and then fires twice to hit the second one and then runs off. Both times she misses with her first shot. Then the next time she shoot a gun is when Kylo is approaching her and he is originally just a few feet from her, yet she still doesn’t get a hit (kylo doesn’t even deflect all of them as her shots hit the rocks next to him)and, when he finally gets her trapped it is still hit and miss. Next time she even fires a gun is when Han is killed and her aim is all over the place. Finn is also firing and yet they only manage to hit 2 troopers, and that could have been Finn hitting his mark. So where the hell is this “expert” that hits with every subsequent shot that you speak of?

MaximRecoil said:

• Rey immediately is an (untrained) formidable marks man hitting everything at a great distance while running away and shooting a stranger’s gun; Rey can even (incredibly) aim with the turret while she is piloting - Luke cannot, he is an average shot at best missing many shots;

Wrong. She attempts to fire the pistol at the Maz’s castle attack and forgets the safety is on. Then fires and misses before hitting the trooper and then runs away when the other troopers start firing. And Rey never fires the turret at any time in the movie. Finn is the one using the turret gun

• Rey wants to stay home but only leaves for loyalty to her new friends and destiny - Luke wants to leave home, but stays out of weakness and loyalty (Owen/Beru);

Rey does not leave out of loyalty. The second they escape the planet, and throughout, she wants to return home but circumstances prevent this. It’s only later on in the film that she decides to stay.

• Rey the scavenger is an incredible ace pilot: Without a copilot or any experience with the ship she masterfully pilots the bulky Falcon through an abandoned destroyer and graveyard under fire outmaneuvering trained combat pilots - Luke does not even understand how the cockpit of the MF works (“what’s that flashing?”);

And yet he was able to masterfully fly an X-wing, a ship that he had no experience with and had only ever flown a speeder in atmosphere, whereas Rey had said she had piloted ships, albeit only in atmosphere as well…

The term “Mary Sue” is a misogynistic term, no matter how much you want to pussy foot around it by saying its used for men too. Because it isn’t used anywhere near as often as it is towards a female character. . It was used against Rey for the sole fact that she was female by all those idiots that saw her as nothing more than the “Disney agenda” of giving females a strong role. Same crap was thrown at the main character of Rogue One. The second someone uses the term “Mary sue” invalidates any argument.

Editroid said:

adywan said:
ROTS doesn’t have a single outdoor location shot in the entire movie. It was filmed entirely on a soundstage, which is why the outdoor scenes look incredibly fake.

Oh yeah?
http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/s/Star-Wars-Revenge-Of-The-Sith.html#.WgtONRNSwnU

Using background plates does NOT make it a location or outdoor shoot. They shots every scene that was supposed to be outdoors IN A STUDIO, WITH STUDIO LIGHTING, instead of shooting it outside the studio using natural light. Which, in turn, makes everything look fake. They filmed the damn thing in Australia, where sunshine is readily available. So why use studio lighting when he could have easily have shot the stuff in natural light and make things look more natural? That’s not the craftmans fault, that is the Directors, especially a Director who has complete control over the film

Editroid said:

The models look perfect as they are. They look as good today as they did back then. Something that can;t be said for the CG models in the prequels.

There are plenty of ships in the PT that were real physical models, you know.

https://geektyrant.com/news/photos-of-the-practical-effects-used-in-star-wars-prequel-trilogy

In fact, the PT had more sets and models than the entire OT. But they still had to use CGI because some things were impossible to make without it. And that’s not a bad thing.

Yawn…this old argument again.

Only TPM has physical models used for ships/ vehicles. For the other two they were purely CG.

And that “The prequels had more models built than the OT” defence falls flat on its face when you take into account that the OT used real locations, full scale sets or partial with matte paintings, instead of many sets & locations being built as miniatures and the actors filmed against greenscreen or the minimal amount of set piece. ROTS doesn’t have a single outdoor location shot in the entire movie. It was filmed entirely on a soundstage, which is why the outdoor scenes look incredibly fake.

Ronster said:

I dare say you are more interested in ARSE than ROTJR I will send you a donation but I feel your are more interested in this which to be honest I can completely understand never the less ROTJR is something that absolutely has to happen.

Thanks Ronster. I’m not sure why you would think i’d be more interested in redoing soemthing i had already finished once over starting something fresh and exciting though.

greenlanternslight said:

Adywan are you updating things like the opening scene to make the ships move a bit faster and have the models look more modern things like that? Thanks man keep up the really good work.

The models look perfect as they are. They look as good today as they did back then. Something that can;t be said for the CG models in the prequels. The only thing that will be altered is ehat was done in the original ANH:R, like the tantive being hit, then fixing the misaligned stardestroyer flashes.

A HUGE thank you to everyone that donated to the $1000 challenge and the first donation drive. WE DID IT !!! We not only passed the target set by the $1000 challenge, but also reached out target £3000 donation drive goal too. I now have enough to cover the new PC parts and the live action pilots shoot. Also a huge thank you to 1,000 challenge who generously started the challenge.

PC parts have now been delivered and i’m starting to rebuild the PC, so i expect to be able to start work in the next week. I have also begun to order all the materials needed to build the B-Wing cockpit & pilot costumes etc. I’ll start posting pictures as things progress.

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The “$1000 challenge” is going amazingly well. We are now just over £300 until that total is reached. 😃

You don;t need to put the receipt number in here. Probably best to delete that. Not sure if people can use that number

First clip of the grading done for ANH:R HD

https://www.facebook.com/swrevisited/videos/1874446949237545/

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ZeeverFett said:

If Shaw is used, this is the only version Luke would recognize:

He would recognise him more than some mop haired kid that just appears. Just a couple of scars and no hair doesn’t make him unrecognisable at all. Information is not easily available under the oppression of a regime like the Empire. He couldn’t just look up information about his father. The Emperor would have suppressed all of that. If it was so easy for Luke to look up info on his father, then it wouldn’t have been too hard for him to discover that he became Vader.

Anakin appearing as his younger self is ridiculous. So, one of the most evil men in the galaxy can suddenly return to his youth, while the other two jedi have to remain their older selves? And the fan theories about how he returns to his form when he was last a good man is also ridiculous. Not only is he NOT a good man on the light side of the force when he looked like that, ( He had already begun on the path to the dark side, He had, after all, slaughtered a whole village of Tuskens, including the women and children, out of anger long before he looked like that), but that also completely destroys the whole redemption arc of ROTJ. Anakin turns back to the light side prior to his death. Him becoming a force ghost originally symbolised that. Before the rubbish that they had to learn it, which Anakin had no knowledge of, so couldn’t have become a force ghost. God, the prequels screwed so much up in the OT

Anakin Starkiller said:

The Good:
-Hayden as Anakin’s ghost. It doesn’t make sense for him to appear as an unscarred Shaw because he never looked like that.

And yet you think it makes sense for him to appear in the Jedi robes that he never wore? And how the hell would Luke even recognise him. It makes more sense for him to be Shaw than it does Hayden.

Flipping those shots doesn’t work because the skiff ends up on the opposite side of the barge at the end, which is why they ended up flipping them in the first place

I have the doc in HD and the crawl is upscaled

Jesus, this thread really turned into a sh*t fest. Please tell me that ban is permanent. Let’s hope things can get back to normal now so i don’t have to wade through pages of arguments just to get to the suggestions etc.

Thats great news. Thanks for this 😃

I haven’t had time to go through every comment yet, but here are a few things that WON’T be happening in ROTJ:R -

Extra Boba Fett / Boba Surviving - Boba is going to die ( someone already guessed the one way i’m planning on killing him 😉 )

Revised Crawl - the crawl will be staying the same.

Moving the Dagobah scenes to the beginning of the movie - Where does Luke suddenly disappear to during the briefing? And why does Luke only react strangely towards Leia, that she senses, when he reappears at the briefing and not at all before that? It just doesn’t work moving it to the beginning. You lose, not only Luke’s first appearance, which works perfectly, but other moments that have to be cut to accommodate this.

Lightsaber building scene - see above comment for one reason why. Other reason is that the footage is terrible and the Vader lines are awful ( hacked & pieced together dialogue from the films and not the original recording)

Jerjerrod deleted scenes - No amount of restoration/ work done to that footage can ever make it usable to place alongside HD footage.

I’ve started the colour grading stage on the HD version of ANH:R. Here are some screenshots of some of the completed scenes…

disco4000 said:

And Sky Germany is doing it again - between August the 28th and September the 10th they will transform their channel Sky Cinema Hits into “Sky Cinema Star Wars HD”.

Besides showing all 7 Episodes & Rogue One in rotation they will also air:

Documentaries:

Empire of Dreams: Die Geschichte der Star Wars-Trilogie
Star Wars: Das Vermächtnis wird offenbart
Star Wars Tech
Science of Star Wars: Man and Machines
Science of Star Wars: Space Cowboys
Science of Star Wars: War, Weapons and the Force
Raiders, Raptors and Rebels: Behind the Magic of ILM

Featurettes:

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace – Naboo Overview
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace – Tatooine Overview
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace – Coruscant Overview
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace – Discoveries From Inside – Models
Star Wars: The Phantom Menace – The Beginning
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Coruscant Overview
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Naboo Overview
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Tatooine Overview
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Geonosis Overview
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Discoveries from the Inside – Costumes
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones – Films Are Not Released
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Coruscant Overview
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Utapau Overview
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Mustafar Overview
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Kashyyyk & Order 66 Overview
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Journeys Part I & II
Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith – Within a Minute
Star Wars: A New Hope – Tatooine Overview
Star Wars: A New Hope – Aboard the Death Star
Star Wars: A New Hope – The Battle of Yavin Overview
Star Wars: A New Hope – Discoveries from the Inside – Weapons
Star Wars: A New Hope – Aboard the Death Star
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back – Hoth Overview
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back – Dagobah Overview
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back – Pursued by the Imperial Fleet Overview
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back – Conversations: Lost Interviews
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi – Tatooine Overview
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi – Endor Overview
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi – Death Star II Space Battle
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi – Discoveries from the Inside – Sounds
Star Wars: The Force Awakens – Force for Change
Star Wars: The Force Awakens – Blueprint of a Battle: The Snow Fight
Star Wars: The Force Awakens – Building BBB
„Im Leben von … – Anthony Daniels“
„Im Leben von … – Kenny Baker“

I will be prepared.

Did you manage to capture the Featurettes?

Sir Ridley said:

If Adywan is still interested in fixing errors there’s a small one that stood out to me. The rain sound effect on the exterior shot of Yoda’s hut sounded a bit loud and “robotic” to me, like it was played in a big metal box. I watched it in stereo, so it might be an issue that appears when the surround sound is downmixed into two channels. If the same rain sound is played in different channels but with a slight delay this might cause a strange robotic echo effect.

That bit wasn’t touched. It the same on the Blu-Ray

snooker said:

Perhaps after the Endor “Planetary” shield goes down, a squad of U-wings goes down to supply the ground with more troops?

The ground battle is pretty much over when the shield goes down.

While it will be next year at least before i write up all the ideas i had for the PT, this is one thing that was worked on. It was to be included in the Complete Saga trailer i had planned, but when decided not to do the PT, it was scrapped and never properly finished, so is still in its very rough stages.

https://youtu.be/JhdKtsZNAHQ