It’s been disgusting how the new’s channels here have been virtually paying tribute to this asshole. quoting people saying what an amazing, nice, family man he was and brushing over why he was in prison in the first place. Hope he rots in hell.
The third moon is most likely staying.
All the ESB files etc are stored on new external hard drives
I said a while ago that the Blu_ray/ DVD versions won’t be available until mid next year at the earliest
A protocol droid being able to feel pain ( or the appearance of pain) and a walking battery being programmed to feel pain are two entirely different things. Protocol droids were made to have a human like appearance and , in the case of 3P0 especially, human traits. These things would have been programmed into them because of their function: to converse with other life forms. A Gonk droid is just a walking battery. Why bother programming any emotions into something like that?
One the main reasons i hated that scene from the first time i saw it is the god awful voice is was given. Suddenly a gonk droid can talk and say “no”? It was given a babyish vocal and sounded ridiculous. If that was supposed to show the droids peril in Jabbas palace, then it fell completely flat and made something that could have been perilous into another facepalm humour moment. And, if it was meant to be humorous, it failed because no one laughed during the many showing i saw in '83, and this was back when the audience got involved with the film, cheering, clapping etc. The droid being pulled apart had the same stupid kiddy vocalising. That type of silly-vocal style plagued ROTJ and then grew with the prequels (and then the new=SE with obi-wan’s howl). Then we have salacious crumb, Chewies Tarzan yell, the ewok during the speeder chase…Even R2 suffered with his now baby like sounds. Ridiculous sound effects/ vocals. These things have to be changed. There are so many parts of ROTJ that just seem like a failed, comedic parody of Star Wars.
I don’t think he forgot about that scene, I just think he kinda sorta wrote himself into a corner. Padme would have to die somewhere in the prequel trilogy regardless. It is bad story telling to have a principle character survive a chapter, but to never be shown again in the rest of the story.
But her disappearance was already explained in the 6th film, so there was NO need to kill her off. That’s not bad storytelling. What is bad storytelling is to contradict so many things in a saga where the second part was filmed prior to the first part, where the story was already set, but you still end up screwing things up that were mentioned in the original films. For eg:
OT- Owen was afraid that Luke would follow Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like his father did
PT - Owen never even met Obi_wan while anakin was alive and Anakin didn’t follow him on a crusade either as, by the time owen was even in the picture, Anakin was already a jedi and it was Qui-Gon that he followed originallyThe reference is to when Anakin went off to fight in the Clone Wars. Following the death of his mother and the funeral, Anakin and Padme are summoned back to their ship when a message from Obi-wan has been detected. Anakin leaves shortly thereafter and three years later, the Jedi are blamed for trying to overthrow the Republic and Anakin is among the casualties in the Jedi Purge. Owen felt that Anakin shouldn’t have left to fight in a war that he was going to lose. This anger is directed towards Obi-wan, after bringing him Luke to raise. This is why he doesn’t want Obi-wan around him and doesn’t want Luke to know about his Jedi heritage. And why he doesn’t want Luke to go to the academy. He’s afraid that he will lose his life like Anakin did.
According to the PT, Owen never even knew Anakin. A step-brother he met very briefly. Why the hell would he have even cared what the hell happened to him? And why the hell woudl he be angry at Obi_wan fro bringing him Luke to raise? That would just make Owen an asshole that never wanted Luke in the first place, so why the hell would he be so protective? He wouldn’t. All of that is just trying to make stuff up to try and forgive bad writing. It’s bad writing plain and simple when fans, and spin off books that come later, have to try and make sh*t up to try and fix massive problems that shouldn’t have even been there in the first place when the ground work and situations were there from the start. A good writer would know how to do that.
Owen knew enough from the five years Shmi lived with him. And the fact that Anakin failed in his endeavors, which got him killed and force Owen to take care of his kid, these are reasons why he feels this way later on. If Anakin hadn’t gotten involved, he’d still be alive and taking care of his own kid. Rather than dying in a senseless and futile conflict.
That still makes Owen an asshole who resents having to raise Luke. Not someone who is actually wanting to protect him. But again, thats just making stuff up to try and excuse the bad writing because none of that is alluded to in any of the films.
And, like i said before, that is enough now.
I don’t think he forgot about that scene, I just think he kinda sorta wrote himself into a corner. Padme would have to die somewhere in the prequel trilogy regardless. It is bad story telling to have a principle character survive a chapter, but to never be shown again in the rest of the story.
But her disappearance was already explained in the 6th film, so there was NO need to kill her off. That’s not bad storytelling. What is bad storytelling is to contradict so many things in a saga where the second part was filmed prior to the first part, where the story was already set, but you still end up screwing things up that were mentioned in the original films. For eg:
OT- Owen was afraid that Luke would follow Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like his father did
PT - Owen never even met Obi_wan while anakin was alive and Anakin didn’t follow him on a crusade either as, by the time owen was even in the picture, Anakin was already a jedi and it was Qui-Gon that he followed originallyThe reference is to when Anakin went off to fight in the Clone Wars. Following the death of his mother and the funeral, Anakin and Padme are summoned back to their ship when a message from Obi-wan has been detected. Anakin leaves shortly thereafter and three years later, the Jedi are blamed for trying to overthrow the Republic and Anakin is among the casualties in the Jedi Purge. Owen felt that Anakin shouldn’t have left to fight in a war that he was going to lose. This anger is directed towards Obi-wan, after bringing him Luke to raise. This is why he doesn’t want Obi-wan around him and doesn’t want Luke to know about his Jedi heritage. And why he doesn’t want Luke to go to the academy. He’s afraid that he will lose his life like Anakin did.
According to the PT, Owen never even knew Anakin. A step-brother he met very briefly. Why the hell would he have even cared what the hell happened to him? And why the hell woudl he be angry at Obi_wan fro bringing him Luke to raise? That would just make Owen an asshole that never wanted Luke in the first place, so why the hell would he be so protective? He wouldn’t. All of that is just trying to make stuff up to try and forgive bad writing.
AARRRGGGHHH!!! 😠
I guess you can’t handle the truth 😉
You have your theories, I have mine.
Except mine aren’t theories.
But that is enough now
I don’t think he forgot about that scene, I just think he kinda sorta wrote himself into a corner. Padme would have to die somewhere in the prequel trilogy regardless. It is bad story telling to have a principle character survive a chapter, but to never be shown again in the rest of the story.
But her disappearance was already explained in the 6th film, so there was NO need to kill her off. That’s not bad storytelling. What is bad storytelling is to contradict so many things in a saga where the second part was filmed prior to the first part, where the story was already set, but you still end up screwing things up that were mentioned in the original films. For eg:
OT- Owen was afraid that Luke would follow Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like his father did
PT - Owen never even met Obi_wan while anakin was alive and Anakin didn’t follow him on a crusade either as, by the time owen was even in the picture, Anakin was already a jedi and it was Qui-Gon that he followed originallyThe reference is to when Anakin went off to fight in the Clone Wars. Following the death of his mother and the funeral, Anakin and Padme are summoned back to their ship when a message from Obi-wan has been detected. Anakin leaves shortly thereafter and three years later, the Jedi are blamed for trying to overthrow the Republic and Anakin is among the casualties in the Jedi Purge. Owen felt that Anakin shouldn’t have left to fight in a war that he was going to lose. This anger is directed towards Obi-wan, after bringing him Luke to raise. This is why he doesn’t want Obi-wan around him and doesn’t want Luke to know about his Jedi heritage. And why he doesn’t want Luke to go to the academy. He’s afraid that he will lose his life like Anakin did.
According to the PT, Owen never even knew Anakin. A step-brother he met very briefly. Why the hell would he have even cared what the hell happened to him? And why the hell woudl he be angry at Obi_wan fro bringing him Luke to raise? That would just make Owen an asshole that never wanted Luke in the first place, so why the hell would he be so protective? He wouldn’t. All of that is just trying to make stuff up to try and forgive bad writing.
AARRRGGGHHH!!! 😠
I guess you can’t handle the truth 😉
I don’t think he forgot about that scene, I just think he kinda sorta wrote himself into a corner. Padme would have to die somewhere in the prequel trilogy regardless. It is bad story telling to have a principle character survive a chapter, but to never be shown again in the rest of the story.
But her disappearance was already explained in the 6th film, so there was NO need to kill her off. That’s not bad storytelling. What is bad storytelling is to contradict so many things in a saga where the second part was filmed prior to the first part, where the story was already set, but you still end up screwing things up that were mentioned in the original films. For eg:
OT- Owen was afraid that Luke would follow Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like his father did
PT - Owen never even met Obi_wan while anakin was alive and Anakin didn’t follow him on a crusade either as, by the time owen was even in the picture, Anakin was already a jedi and it was Qui-Gon that he followed originallyThe reference is to when Anakin went off to fight in the Clone Wars. Following the death of his mother and the funeral, Anakin and Padme are summoned back to their ship when a message from Obi-wan has been detected. Anakin leaves shortly thereafter and three years later, the Jedi are blamed for trying to overthrow the Republic and Anakin is among the casualties in the Jedi Purge. Owen felt that Anakin shouldn’t have left to fight in a war that he was going to lose. This anger is directed towards Obi-wan, after bringing him Luke to raise. This is why he doesn’t want Obi-wan around him and doesn’t want Luke to know about his Jedi heritage. And why he doesn’t want Luke to go to the academy. He’s afraid that he will lose his life like Anakin did.
According to the PT, Owen never even knew Anakin. A step-brother he met very briefly. Why the hell would he have even cared what the hell happened to him? And why the hell woudl he be angry at Obi_wan fro bringing him Luke to raise? That would just make Owen an asshole that never wanted Luke in the first place, so why the hell would he be so protective? He wouldn’t. All of that is just trying to make stuff up to try and forgive bad writing. It’s bad writing plain and simple when fans, and spin off books that come later, have to try and make sh*t up to try and fix massive problems that shouldn’t have even been there in the first place when the ground work and situations were there from the start. A good writer would know how to do that.
I don’t think he forgot about that scene, I just think he kinda sorta wrote himself into a corner. Padme would have to die somewhere in the prequel trilogy regardless. It is bad story telling to have a principle character survive a chapter, but to never be shown again in the rest of the story.
But her disappearance was already explained in the 6th film, so there was NO need to kill her off. That’s not bad storytelling. What is bad storytelling is to contradict so many things in a saga where the second part was filmed prior to the first part, where the story was already set, but you still end up screwing things up that were mentioned in the original films. For eg:
OT- Owen was afraid that Luke would follow Obi-wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like his father did
PT - Owen never even met Obi_wan while anakin was alive and Anakin didn’t follow him on a crusade either as, by the time owen was even in the picture, Anakin was already a jedi and it was Qui-Gon that he followed originally
One of many
Here’s my final post on the matter.
“The part that I had never really developed is the death of Luke and Leia’s mother. I had a back story for her in earlier drafts, but it basically didn’t survive. When I got to JEDI, I wanted one of the kids to have some kind of memory of her because she will be a key figure in the new episodes I’m writing.”
–George Lucas, Star Wars-The Return Of The Jedi: Annotated Screenplay, 1997
“Leia’s recollection as described in Return of the Jedi have no inherent flaws and are valid given the greater context of the saga. But I suspect those looking for contradictions always find them.”
–Rick McCallum
Rule #1 = George revises his own history as he goes along. But the fact that its even explained in the novel and was part of the original script ( including Owen being Obi-Wan’s brother) proves that she was supposed to have lived and that her surviving ROTS made more sense with what is spoken later on in the saga.
Rule#2 = Rick McCallum excuses are common during his “suck up to Lucas years”. Not so much nowadays
It’s easy to explain how Leia remembers Padme, without any outside material. It’s because she has the Force. Plain and simple.
And yet leia said that she died when she was very young and NOT that she died when she was born ( which is how anyone would have talked if their parent had died in childbirth) . And that is because Leia’s mother WAS still alive during the first few years of her life when Jedi was written. Silly excuses cannot hide the fact that George forgot his own films and screwed up when doing the prequels.
Just another voice to back up this ^.
While the PT isn’t as great as the rest of the saga, a lot of us here do consider it canon and part of the full Star Wars story. So even though it’s understandable that some want to ignore it, please at least don’t make any changes that contradict it!
The PT did it first.
Examples?
Examples of what the Prequels changed from the Original Trilogy? You can find those on many other threads.
I’m sure there are very legitimate explanations for them.
Explanations made after the fact to try and cover up the bad writing
Oh come on, Ady! You know as well as I do that having someone die in childbirth 20 years after writing that her daughter remembers her is poetic and rhymes or something.
In Chapter 19 of Star Wars: Bloodline (a CANON novel), in a voice recording Bail Organa addresses Princess Leia “not expressing much interest in knowing who her birth parents were.”
This means that in that scene in ROTJ, Leia WAS, in fact, talking about Padme, because Luke clarifies that he is talking about Leia’s REAL mother and the recording of Bail obviously is from before Episode IV, which means Leia would have had some form of conversation about the adoption with him FAR before this scene happened.
Explanations made after the fact to try and cover up the bad writing
The point is they shouldn’t HAVE to try to explain it on a novel decades later. Why not just write the new movie to line up with the movie you made years before?
It’s easy to explain how Leia remembers Padme, without any outside material. It’s because she has the Force. Plain and simple.
“We’ll use the force!”
“That’s not how the force works”
I no longer have the original files or the recreation.
All the memorable PT characters got cameos during the opening flyover shot of ANH.
Then where’s Zam Wesell and Chancellor Valorum?
He said “memorable”.
😉
Just another voice to back up this ^.
While the PT isn’t as great as the rest of the saga, a lot of us here do consider it canon and part of the full Star Wars story. So even though it’s understandable that some want to ignore it, please at least don’t make any changes that contradict it!
The PT did it first.
Examples?
Examples of what the Prequels changed from the Original Trilogy? You can find those on many other threads.
I’m sure there are very legitimate explanations for them.
Explanations made after the fact to try and cover up the bad writing
Oh come on, Ady! You know as well as I do that having someone die in childbirth 20 years after writing that her daughter remembers her is poetic and rhymes or something.
Ha ha.
Just another voice to back up this ^.
While the PT isn’t as great as the rest of the saga, a lot of us here do consider it canon and part of the full Star Wars story. So even though it’s understandable that some want to ignore it, please at least don’t make any changes that contradict it!
The PT did it first.
Examples?
Examples of what the Prequels changed from the Original Trilogy? You can find those on many other threads.
I’m sure there are very legitimate explanations for them.
Explanations made after the fact to try and cover up the bad writing
Okay, no Victory Star Destroyers, but I’ve gotta reiterate that I think it’d be awesome to see an Interdictor or two in the fleet above Endor, since they’re trying to trap the Rebels and prevent them from escaping. What better way to do that than to remove their ability to go to hyperspace?
Doubtful anyone outside of the hard core EU SW fan would even know what they were, even after their cartoon spin off appearence. And, without adding a line to explain what they were, they would be a pointless addition, especially when you take into account that Ackbar wants to retreat but Lando convinces him to move the ships in closer to the destroyers. If they had Interdictors there then Ackbar would have known that they couldn’t really retreat. Take away their option of retreating by adding those , then it takes away the whole heroic “stay and fight” angle
My rankings now:
1 - ESB (not SE) - This is the film that i most enjoy re-watching.
2 - ANH (not SE) - This one is very close to being my favourite and would have been if ESB wasn’t so damn good
3 - TFA - The first film released since 1983 that i really enjoyed at the cinema and still enjoy on multiple viewings to this
day. This film gave me my love for Star Wars back, that was severely faltering since the prequels
4 - Rogue One - Now this was a tricky one. Another one i love on re-viewings, but should it go above ROTJ? Well, yes. Nostalgia would have been the only reason for my why i would have said Jedi was a better film. But jedi is a mess. For the film that should have shown the Rebels fighting for their lives to save the galaxy, it was nothing more than phoned in performances, really bad slapstick humour, foreshadowed how the style of the films would change when it came to the PT & the face palming “leia being Luke’s sister” revelation.
5 - ROTJ - The worse of the OT but still miles above the PT.
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6 - AOTC - The only reason this one rates higher than the other two PT films is because it was the one i enjoyed the most at the cinema.
7 - TPM & ROTS. Both terrible films. ROTS would be placed dead last for me but the fact that i left the cinema feeling depressed after seeing TPM brings that film down level pegging now with ROTS.
adywan said:
Remove the new Ewok eyesToo bad, it was a good BRD 2011 addition, it gave ewoks a creepier look. The only issue with that is it wasn’t made for all ewoks.
I thought the eyes were terrible. Especially the fake blinking they added. They went from teddy bears to Furbys. At least they could have made their actual eyelids blink instead of having the furby style toy eyelids.
This is where the Force Ghosts will appear and the film will end with Luke being alone (which in turn foreshadows TFA).
Interesting ! So I assume the “revisited is only a trilogy for itself” point of view does no longer apply if elements are made to link the OT:R with the new movies (then any “it’s from the PT so it’s not gonna be considered in OT:R” becomes quite irrelevant… so old Naboo fighters to join the Endor battle 😉).
The plan to finish ROTJ:R with Luke and the ghosts at the funeral pyre was always there prior to TFA even being announced. It’s just that, after seeing TFA, it does actually foreshadow whats to come. Revisited was always meant to stand on it own in that it wouldn’t follow official canon. Happily for me though, nothing i plan to do to the Revisited saga contradicts anything in the new films, so that’s just a happy accident. The prequels will also be erased from the saga now that i am no longer doing them. I just can’t bring myself to ever watch them again. The prequel references added to ANH:R will be gone for the HD version (The battle droid added into the sandcrawler scene was only added as in in-joke anyway. Left in a junk pile 😉 ). I no longer have to worry about fixing anything in the OT that contradicts those films. And, even if by some miracle i do decide to do them, i’ll fix the problems in those instead. So no biggie. But, for me, I’d like to start my viewing with Rogue One, followed by the OT, then the ST , as those films are far superior to the PT. Those are the only parts i would like to fit together now. Although you’d probably still be able to watch the prequels with Revisited because nothing i’m doing really contradicts those anyway ( plus i may still be adding the “you’re Mother once thought as you do” line instead of the original "Obi-Wan). That’s just my personal opinion of the PT and i appreciate that there are fans out there that like them, so i wouldn’t really want to make Revisited so you couldn’t watch the PT too if you wanted to.
Remove droid torture in Jabba’s Palace
Oh! This is a funny shot 😃
Ever since i first saw the movie in 1983, i have hated that scene. A gonk droid feeling pain? Seriously? Pretty much sums up the things wrong with that movie.
The way how the funeral pyre scene is played out, how and where are you going to put in the Force ghosts?
Editing
I appreciate the update, especially the funeral pyre scene. Still no feedback on Victory-class star destroyers, though?
There will be no Victory Class Stardestroyers
I’ve just updated the first post with some more planned changes
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You keep going back to wikipedia to say we’re all wrong about how Mary Sue is a derogatory term used towards female characters, yet you seem to have ignored this one paragrpah in that same wiki entry
“Christine Scodari, a researcher in media studies from gender perspective, noticed a tendency within slash fandom to label major female characters (e.g. Nyota Uhura in the Star Trek 2009 film reboot) as “Mary Sues” because the slash fans “begrudged” how the development of the female character takes away screen time from slashable male characters.[16]”
Like i said before, just because a word or term originated with a certain meaning does not mean that , after time, it can’t become something that becomes commonly used as a derogatory term towards a race or sex. It is more widely used as in derogatory form towards female characters that it is used in its original meaning. You only have to go on certain forums and sites to see just how many use it because they hate the “female agenda” in Hollywood as they see it. The comments section on youtube alone since TFA came out was littered with the comments using “Mary Sue” in a derogatory fashion.
There are plenty of terms that started out as one thing and were distorted over time to be derogatory towards a certain race or sex. Mary Sue is one of those.
"Mary-Sue
A sexist term used to enforce the misogynistic ideals that female characters/authors shouldn’t be allowed to fantasize or write anything along the lines of wish fulfillment. Its misogynistic qualities are exemplified in many ways, most notably being the fact that it’s not a term dominated by the male counterpart despite existing in a patriarchal society, as well as the fact that the male counterpart is largely undecided upon in name and also undefined (see urban dictionary’s Gary Stu entry which has no definition but to say “A Male Mary Sue”, and the Marty-Stu entry which involves the “Mary Sue” definition to define it).
It’s usually used on the whole to bully new authors out of writing female characters altogether, making the task seem so daunting to some that they now only write slash fictions with two male characters, also exemplifying the misogynistic qualities this term involves."
That’s not the next time she shoots. She hits another trooper with one shot, and that was with a quick turn-around shot no less. As for Kylo Ren, it had already been established in the movie that he can use the force to manipulate fired blaster bolts, to the point of even freezing them in mid-air for an extended period of time, so there’s no way to know if her aim is off or if he’s altering the course of the bolt.
Next time she even fires a gun is when Han is killed and her aim is all over the place. Finn is also firing and yet they only manage to hit 2 troopers, and that could have been Finn hitting his mark.
They don’t even show where her shots were going in that scene. They showed her firing but kept the camera on her, and when they did cut away they showed two troopers getting shot, with no indication of who fired the shots. In other words, that scene is irrelevant, because the camera didn’t show whether she hit anything or not.
So, apart from hitting two troopers with 3 shots (not exactly expert and the second trooper wasn’t exactly a quick turn around shot either) you make excuses for the other two times she shoots at anything. So where the hell is there any indication that she is an expert? Your excuses actually show that there is no way to know if she is a good shot or not. I wonder if you say the same thing about Luke, who had NO combat experience, as far as we knew through the film had never fired a gun before, yet was able to expertly shoot out the door controls from the other side of the hangar bay with one shot?
Wrong. She attempts to fire the pistol at the Maz’s castle attack and forgets the safety is on. Then fires and misses before hitting the trooper and then runs away when the other troopers start firing.
Exactly. She goes from a complete novice who has never fired a gun, to an expert after missing just one shot (every subsequent shot was a hit).
Maybe you should go back and watch the film. Rey fires twice before hitting the first trooper and then fires twice to hit the second one and then runs off. Both times she misses with her first shot. Then the next time she shoot a gun is when Kylo is approaching her and he is originally just a few feet from her, yet she still doesn’t get a hit (kylo doesn’t even deflect all of them as her shots hit the rocks next to him)and, when he finally gets her trapped it is still hit and miss. Next time she even fires a gun is when Han is killed and her aim is all over the place. Finn is also firing and yet they only manage to hit 2 troopers, and that could have been Finn hitting his mark. So where the hell is this “expert” that hits with every subsequent shot that you speak of?