adywan

yeh, well i'm definately going for the light blue/ grey look. the dark blue TIEs in the large asteroid chase shots look horrible. way to dark and oversaturated. I also noticed just how bad the colours are in the ROTJ shots you posted. You can see how oversaturated the Falcons cockpit shots are, yet the TIE still is still a light blue/grey colour. And the shots of the battle over Endor, the blues have been boosted too much again for the whole shot.  I noticed too the difference between these 2 shots. the first set has a blue tint which makes the TIEs look blue but the bottom set have better colouring and the TIEs are almost grey. I know which one i'm going with

Ripplin said:

Oh, and Ady, what is this TB you keep mentioning? I couldn't even find it in Moth3r's acronym buster. :p

You can find out about it here:

Max_Rebo's '97 SE superset' preservation

Mielr said:

Ady, I have a question for you- was there any alternate footage used in the medal ceremony scene (culled from other sources, I mean) or was it all just shifting around and re-editing the available footage in the '04 DVD?Personally,

Imperialfighter said: "Personally, I've advised certain various friends and their brats who hadn't yet seen any of the Star Wars saga, to start with 'A New Hope' (Adywan's version of course) and the rest of the Original Trilogy, before seeing the Prequels, regardless of the numerical order.... :)I've advised certain various friends and their brats who hadn't yet seen any of the Star Wars saga, to start with 'A New Hope' (Adywan's version of course) and the rest of the Original Trilogy, before seeing the Prequels, regardless of the numerical order.... :)"

I did add a redone shot, that was used from footage from the movie, where you see a brief glimpse of chewie stepping forward at the right hand side of the frame. But apart from that there was nothing new added. it was all down to editing

Kurgan said:

Well, it being different shouldn't be a problem, should it? It was obviously intentional. Just because the video games didn't pick it up shouldn't be a reason to hate on the color blue! (even if Lowry Digital and 20th Century Fox have abused it more than any color of the rainbow)

 

 

Red vs. blue tints... wow, I never realized that before, heh. As long as we can TELL they're blue (without needing a gray object or background next to them in-shot to compare) I'll be happy. I saw in the 1979 ("Launch") ESB Trailer in the asteroid chase they look about that color (though the Falcon looks greenish).

 

I'm sorry I can't be arsed to upload pics, but if anyone has the Bonus Masterials (disc 4 of the 2004 set, available seperately off Amazon.com for $5, yes!) Disc, I noticed some interesting things.

 

The colors are right! Yes, the Executor bridge looks like it does in your fixed shot. Luke's got his brilliant blue saber on the Falcon. Yep... clearly the team who designed these menus wasn't communicating with the team (or one guy at his computer) doing the color correction!

 

Now, if you to go to "Trailers & TV Spots"----> (Trailers) "Empire Strikes Back"-----> "Launch" you'll notice (aside from the "forbidden kiss" at :56-:57 something interesting... is it just me or is that a new shot of the Wampa claws opening in the foreground with Luke hanging upside down in the background? Maybe it's been too long since I've watched the GOUT, but that looks new for some reason.

 

Somebody tell me I'm crazy. Otherwise I'll double check it later after I've had a nap... ;)

no you're not imagining things. that shot of the wampa claws is one not used in the movie. there is a green tint to the Falcon and a bit on one of the asteroids, but the colours of the TIEs looks just like the models before they boosted the blues and the asteroids look a good colour too. So thats the colour i'm going with.

One thing with that trailer that really interests me is the quick explosion footage. It looks to me to be the original explosion for the shield generator. Why didn't they just use that instead of the horribly composited one in the movie i'll never know. the unused one is so much better

Its a pity a few previous frames of that explosion aren't available because i would love to use this for the shield generator.

Talking of which, does anyone have any good quality pictures of the model used for the shield generator at all?

Kurgan said:

So how do you reclaim the colors Adywayn? What are you using for comparison?

 

Btw, did you ever get those VHS tapes you were talking about to compare the TIE colors?

I'm using various sources as reference, such as the GOUT, SE TB release, on set, model & publicity pics. To recover some colour i am using the TB ESB SE release overlayed in the bad sections over the 2004 version. But because the TB release isn't as sharp i can only use it at about a 20% transparency. the rest has to be recoloured by many layers & masks for each colour and shade. Not an easy task, but the colours are so bad in the 2004 release that it really needs the work done on it.

The VHS TV version wasn't good at all but i was able to use some sections to check colours. The TIEs aren't nearly as oversaturated as they are in the official VHS releases, but the other colours remain about the same as the GOUT (without the red tint) which makes me think that the blues were boosted for the Video releases, then they went mad for the 2004 set. I just wish i could see some proper frames from an original print. I'm going to use the ESB TIE model shots as reference. I hate the oversaturated blues of the TIES in ESB & ROTJ> too much of a difference from ANH and too far from the actual model. It's one thing I've always hated and the way they change colour from shot to shot. This is the colour the TIE's will be in ESB:R (just a quick mock-up)

Kurgan said:

Josh said:

Hope I don't upset or anything, I'm on my legs here, Maybe "it could be possible to re-color all those shots of it red, only that Walker"

 

Yeah, you could make them all red for consistency sake.

 

Or perhaps add custom rims and underside black light to the lead AT-AT, maybe a spoiler and enlarge tail pipe too. ;)

I can see a new spin off series now.... "Pimp my AT-AT". :)

anyway heres a quick look at a shot that has taken me the past 2 days to complete. You can see that this is one of the many shots in the 2004 ESB that has almost no colour whatsoever, apart from the blue tint. Just look at the faces in the 2004 version. It must be really cold on that bridge cuz they look frozen. Also the red lights have vanished. Great job Lucasfilm. Another colour corrected shot done by Stevie Wonder. It was a nightmare trying to reclaim the colours but i think you'll agree that it looks much better now.

Josh said:

That's Wookipedia.com, Look at the Battle of Hoth, no more AT-AT's but Don't change the red tint please, thats how I know who is the lead AT-AT!

But its only red in that one shot and you can clearly see who the lead one is. It doesn't make sense to have just one shot, and only one AT-AT having a red cockpit, then every other without the red colour. So, sorry, the red cockpit goes.

doubleofive said:

There are some shots where the "windshield" part glows red, mostly in promos, but I can't find the nice closeup of the cockpit about to explode where I think its really red.

only in this shot do any of the AT-AT's have a red cockpit window and its only the lead AT-AT in this one. all others there is no red tint. So i'm just going to remove the red from the window in this shot and the problem is solved.

I won't be adding any form of PT vehicles to the Hoth battle. Also we don't need to see any drop ships. Thats a bit too close to the type of thing that GL would do

Kurgan said:

Adywan: Are you going to restore the old engine noise to the Slave-I from 1980/1997 or are you planning to keep the "motor-boat" sound that was dubbed in in 2004?

I haven't decided on anything for the audio yet apart from replacing Boba's voice with the original and a couple of other lines replaced. Once i get around to concentrating on the audio i'll have a better idea of what will be changed

That Vader Hologram does ned fixing. That was some bad bluescreen work. But there are no other shots of Vader from that angle that i could use. The only way i could do it is if someone here knows someone with an authentic Vader costume that could film some new footage, at the exact same angle and doing the same movements, that i could use for the hologram

lawmcd said:

Hi Ady,

First time poster on Original Trilogy altho i've been lurking for a good couple of years. Loved the ANH-R and loving all the ideas being thrown around for ESB.

Anyway, i know there might be more activity via pm but I hadn't see an update from Ady regarding his monitor. I may be able to help out as I have access to discounts for a couple of the major manufacturers.

Also, depending on where you are in the UK i could give you my old LCD as I bought a new one in february if yo uare sturgling with your old 15" :)

If you're interested feel free to pm me.

 

thanks for the offer. i have seen the monitor that's perfect for what i need but i'm still a way off affording it yet. I went around all the electrical & computer stores and tested all their monitors and the best one i found was the 22" Gateway one at staples. I was actually disappointed on just how bad the colour system was on the higher priced ones. They all suffered with horrible colour banding and their viewing angles were no where near what the specs suggested. if you moved slightly from the centre of the screen the colours changed, whxixh as you can understand is no good for me. I was totally shocked just how good the Gateway one was, and for a lot less money than the rest (had to have DVI input & all others, even some that were £50 more, had VGA input only. If anyone is looking for a new 22" widescreen monitor for less than £200 then get the Gateway one. You can even rotate the screen and it automatically rotates the desktop with it, so you don't have to manually rotate it in windows. On top of that it has SVHS, Component, Composite DVI & VGA inputs with Picture in Picture function. I can't wait to get my hands on this baby. Luckily the guy at my local Staples has put one on one side for me because they are almost out of stock at the sale price (usual price was £250). And it has a 3 year guarantee

Galvatron said:

Another question: did you add the scrolling starfield to the Falcon's gunnery windows for effect or realism? Because I don't think it's actually more realistic. After all, we don't see the stars scroll by that fast when looking up at the sky from a fast-moving vehicle on Earth. If you did it for effect, that makes sense. It actually looks better, but it didn't dawn on me that it detracted from the realism until today. Then again, so do the sound effects in space, but I wouldn't suggest removing those.

it was added for effect. The Falcon always looked like it was just sitting there during the attack so, by adding a faster moving starfield, it gives the effect that they are moving at speed.

Galvatron said:

adywan said:

Galvatron said:

Adywan, did you ever give any thought to fixing the cockpit windows on the TIEs? I'm sure you've noticed that the internal and external views of the window frame don't match...

yeh i noticed that but without clean background plates to work with i couldn't do anything about it.

 

You couldn't have rotated the outer window to line up with the inner?

no because the original window would still be part of the background. I tried various ways of fixing this but it was only possible in some shots in the trench run so i left it as it was.

wow what's with all the hostility. calm down guys. lol

i understood that it was a question. i don't think he was making any suggestions that i should fix it.

Galvatron said:

Adywan, did you ever give any thought to fixing the cockpit windows on the TIEs? I'm sure you've noticed that the internal and external views of the window frame don't match...

yeh i noticed that but without clean background plates to work with i couldn't do anything about it.

Jeyl said:

Hey Adywan!

 

Quick question. Why was the spiraling star field effect removed when the Falcon goes into Hyperdrive? I always thought it was a nice transition piece for the ship since warp tunnel they're in spirals as well (At least more obviously in Return of the Jedi).

 

It also from my perspective dulls the sequence of the Falcon escaping Tatooine a bit, especially in your cut. You have the Falcon making a much faster and more exciting exit, spinning around in circles avoiding enemy fire and than you just have it shrink in the distance. It looks more like an image of the Falcon being zoomed out with a star field in front of it rather than speeding it's way forward. Not saying you should show it at a different angle, but the spinning star field gave the effect a more exciting feel to it. Now there are exceptions to this like having multiple ships go into warp like in Jedi, but that's ok. We all cheat. :)

well i did it because only in ANH & ESB does the starfield rotate when you see a ship entering hyperspace. i all other movies it remains static (check out when the fleet jump to hyperspace in ROTJ). Also if the starfieilds rotate like that then doesn't that mean that the ship has to spin to get into hyperspace?

Thanks for explaining that Jay

Don't use Winrar to unpack any ISO's. This can cause problems with the structure for some reason. Just use Daemontools (just google it, its free) to mount the image then you can drag all the folder in the Iso to your hard drive

My thought on the whole stardestroyer placement issue is that all the stardestroyers have all just returned from deploying the probe droids around the various systems and are now regrouping with the Executor, so they would be facing all directions and not uniform in placement

negative1 said:

besides i could care less if hd-dvd is dead, i have a player that works (just like my laserdisc)...except i don't have to buy an expensive

burner to play the files at high resolutions.....so are you having fun playing your mkv files off your computer?

 

this way, i can preserve at least some of the quality of the files...and it will be interesting to see how they come out..

actually, a 13gig file could be split across 2 dual layer dvds....without losing any quality....hmmmm......

 

later

-1

 

Well i have a PS3 and i can play my 1080p mkv HD movies just fine without having to re-encode them or use an expensive burner. i can usually fit a movie on a DVD-9 or split over 2 discs. you can also make blu-ray player compatible HD discs with chapters & menus by using plain old dual layer discs without re-encoding too.

Good luck with getting any new movies for you HD-DVD player :) As has been said HD-DVD is dead and will just fade into obscurity. It won't even have the nostalgia value that laserdiscs have. I think it was pretty much doomed from the start. Microsoft made a HUGE mistake when they didn't build their X-Box360 with a built in drive and a HDMI port. That could have tipped the scales in favour of HD-DVD somewhat.

Just noticed a couple of things that may be bugs (well i'm pretty sure the first one is but the second may be the new script ). When adding a link from the button on the reply window it only ever shows the full link and not the title you have added for it. So i still have to copy and paste the code from the help section still

the second is that in Firefox the spell checker is now disabled by default until you manually activate it, when it was fine before. If this one isn't a bug is there any way you can switch it back to being on by default again please?

Also something else happened while i was writing a post. The last sentence suddenly changed colour from white to grey. I tried editing it a few times and managed to get the last sentence back to white but now i've come back to the thread its reverted back to grey.

here:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-TEASER-TRAILER-CLIPS-AVAILABLE-NOW/post/321842/#post321842

Ripplin said:

Looks great! :) Though, the way it's positioned, that shadow looks kinda funny now, like it's joined with the guns. Haha. It looks like a four-eyed alien slug or something. Maybe I shouldn't have said anything...

what shadow do you mean. can you point it out please?

some nice ideas Shadowman99. It's so much easier with pictures for reference

doubleofive said:

adywan said:

ok i managed to redo the gun and this is the closest i'm going to get it to match the model

 

Looking good!

thanks. i was a bit worried attempting to do it with this monitor at 800 x 600 res. lol

ok i managed to redo the gun and this is the closest i'm going to get it to match the model

Kurgan said:

I can post again! Yes!

Well, I'm using a totally different computer and Operating System at the moment, so I guess it was something on my end that was messed up (or else the forums just now decided to cooperate).

 

I'm overjoyed that the TIEs are going to be blue in ESBR/ROTJR... having all colorless Imperial vehicles would just be so boring and bland.

Thanks for seeing the wisdom in that. Now the question is just HOW BLUE they will be. I figure if they are as blue as they were in theaters in '80/'83 that's good enough for me.

no they won't be the oversaturated blue they were in many shots. there are so many colour inconsistencies with their colour that i'm referencing the model colour, which many of the shots are originally that exact colour. I think that ILM boosted the colours just so they could show off that they can do Blue coloured ships against a blue screen but over did it. but they forgot to boost the colour is so many shots they range from navy blue, to the proper blue/grey to full blown grey. Same thing happens in ROTJ, but not as bad. Don't forget i'm not recreating the OUT or the exact colouring, because its impossible to do that with the 2004 or HD sources. This is my take on the movie and i am having to reference many on set photos & publicity and model shots to restore the colour because the colour isn't correct in the GOUT (although its closer to the original it does have a red tint to it which throws some colouring off a bit)

I'm surprised no one mentioned one of the fixes from the last clip i posted. lol

I fixed this the best way i could (at the moment). the gun shouldn't even be facing that way but at least it hasn't got just the one strut anymore

astromech said:

I'm sure there was some sort of official explanation for the red and yellow stripes on Han's trousers...something to do with the class of bloodstripe and the level of honour or similar. Red was supposed to indicate a high level of honour and yellow was a different class (I think!). However, I wouldn't have thought a fan backstory would be taken as canon unless it was indicated as such by GL...

yeh, there is one thing i stated when i was doing ANH:R and that is that if it isn either in or at least referenced in the movies then , as far as i'm concerned, it doesn't exist. I won't even listen to GL's explanations of things he has said pre- SE.

NL197 said:

I don't know if this has been covered before, but with the color correction and effects enhancements, are they done in chronological order, or grouped together by doing all Hoth scenes, all space scenes, all Bespin scenes and so on?

for the colour correction its done in chronological order. when i get to a scene thats in an environment (for example outdoor snow scenes in daylight) seen in a previous scene i can overlay the previous scene and use that as a reference to match the colouring. the effects are done in any order really. it all depends on how difficult a shot is and if i can't get a shot right then i move on to another easier one then go back to the other one at a later date

Joshua_Blue said:

It seems that all computer screens in OT shake a little bit. I hate that. I notice it right away. Luke X-wing screen text shaking has already been mentioned. The power generator image Vader is seeing also shakes a little bit. I hope Adywan will fix all unsteady displays.

yeh i'm hoping to do something about that. the one thing i want to know about the shot of the viewscreen just mentioned is, whats the deal with the guys pulsating hand?