The link doesn't work GoodMusician.
yes i will be doing the prequels GoodMusician. Actually i can't wait to get my hands on them. In my personal opinion i think that TPM needs the most done to it. I remember being so excited about seeing that movie but when i stepped out of the cinema after seeing it, i can remember feeling weird. There was something so wrong with that movie. It just didn't feel like Star Wars. I didn't get that with the other 2 although i did cringe at some scenes and dialogue and felt like ROTS was so rushed at the end, but i really enjoyed watching those movies. I don't think that the lightsaber duel between Dooku & Yoda worked though. I think we shouldn't have seen him use a lightsaber until ROTS. I love the part when the troopers approach him from behind and he cuts them down on kashyyyk. Can you imagine how powerful that scene would have been if that was the first time we saw Yoda use a lightsabre? I do like the PT but they just don't stand up to the OT.
When it came to the 2004 DVD set i hated the new additions along with the horrible colouring of course. I never minded a lot of the SE additions but only things that didn't change characters or story. Greedo shooting first in the SE, the Rontos slapstick & walking in front of the camera in mos eisley, the new Emperors dialogue in 2004, The shuttle scenes at the end of ESB and in Jedi the addition of "Jedi Rocks" in '97, Hayden & the "weesa free" line in 2004. I always wanted to return the Emperor scene in ESB to as close to the original as possible back when i started the ANH:R thread. I'm with the belief that you shouldn't have to change lines and situations in the OT to fit in with what we know from the PT. It should be the other way around. The Emperor scene never needed to be changed, apart from adding Ian as the Emperor. It worked for 24 years without any problems, even with the PT. The whole conversation about the twins mother in ROTJ with Leia remembering her mother is one thing that I'll be fixing in the PT. I know exactly how i will be doing that but you'll have to wait a few years to find out. If only a decent transfer of TPM with a CG yoda would become available i would be working on them alongside the OT:R projects, but that's looking less likely every year now. I really don't want to have to work on TPM the state it in, even with the HD transfer, but without that i can't do the other 2 as TPM would be setting up events for 2 & 3.
i value everyones opinion and input and i will never agree with everything that is put in front of me. no one could ever say they would go along with everything that was put forward when doing an edit. Just because i don't like something doesn't make it good or bad. it just means that it doesn't go along with my vision, but could be very useful for someone else's edit.
Keep the ideas flowing guys. :)
Now onto some more colour issues with the 2004 set.
Heres another example of just how much they screwed up ESB. They have brightened it up so much in places that a hell of a lot of detail has been lost. Just look how bright the 2004 shots are. In the first one Hand jacket should be blue and both shots have a pink tint to them and are just too bright compared to the other shots in the whole scene. Look at 3PO in the second shot. he's almost white reflection detail has been lost due to brightness.
Now this one shot took me ages to do. But the colouring has been restored in 3PO & Han's jacket and the brightness of the shot now matches the rest of the scene. Wasn't an easy task but it was worth it, i think.
doubleofive said:
GoodMusician said:
so if you simply take the trunk and the rest of the tree below obi-wan. and put it infont instead of behind him, it would fix itr.
Right. But Yoda looks right at Obi-Wan when he first appears next to him. And why would Obi-Wan stand so far away from Luke and Yoda. Of course, the other question is why did he shrink himself if he wanted to be intimidating to Luke?
EDIT:
Here's the shot. I guess Yoda could be looking way behind him if we wanted him to. Also, Obi-Wan is floating. Very weird.
Doubleofive, thats something thats always bugged me. Obi-Wan looks so tiny. I'm hoping to make him larger in those shots because,as you can see, Yoda is looking to the side and not behind him, which gives the impression that Obi-Wan is tiny
bkev said:
I don't know if you could do this, Adywan, but I liked how in the original version Reville said "yes" twice, with a pause inbetween, like he took a second to ponder it after agreeing. Is it possible to somehow edit McDiarmid's dialogue so that he does the same? Or maybe apply a series of filters to Reville's dialogue, and add one of the "yes"'s to the '04 dialogue? I understand what I'm asking for may (and probably is) be ridiculous, but I think that if it could be done it would work well.
I am looking to add the other "yes" because i don't like the single version as it exists in the 2004 SE. It's only a rough track but i changed the timing on some of of Ian's speech to help eliminate the long drawn out syllables in his delivery and also so i can add the extra "yes" once i can find something suitable
Darth Stewie said:
Well, its a nice splice and since you want to go back to the original dialogue I guess it will have to do. Personally, I never liked the whole scene since it creates more questions than it answers, especially with the old dialogue. I still think you should reconsider other avenues but it seems you've made up your mind. There ARE ways to make it fit into the entire story and still make it make sense. The whole debate is a which came first "vader's knowledge or the Emperor's knowledge" of Luke's existence and heritage and who's telling who what. Keeping the lines the way they were makes it that both know of his existence and the Emperor is just now realizing Luke as a threat so he elevates the threat from yellow to red. The way Clive Reville said it, it seemed that he was expecting Vader's answer and was pleased with his response. Now, with Ian's delivery "Yes. Yes." sounds like he just got some great idea from Vader. I don't buy it. No matter how much we like Vader's character, he is still a puppet on a string. He is scheming behind Palpy's back, but he is still his bitch. Hell, even Tarkin slapped him around.
I agree with most things so far on this edit of yours but my two cents are that this is a mistake. The lines shouldn't stay as they are originally or 2004 DVD's. They should be reworked along the lines of MusicMan's idea. It never made sense, and in 2004 it was a poor attempt to make it do so.
I vote no.
The whole scene was pretty clear to me, even as a 10 year old when it first came out, and to hell of a lot of other people. Even with Reville's delivery of "Yes..yes" (and Ian only says it once now, not twice) it was clear that Vader had just given him the idea of turning Luke to the dark side instead of just destroying him. They BOTH know about Lukes existence. Word would have reached far and wide in the galaxy about the person who destroyed the Death Star so the Emperor would have definitely have known his name. Vader is using the search for the rebellion as an excuse to find his son. He wants him to turn to the dark side and overthrow the Emperor and become the master (just see the end of the movie for proof of that). That's why he gives the Emperor the idea of turning him instead. The Emperor wouldn't have thought Luke a major threat and deemed him unimportant because there were no Jedi's (as far as he knew) that would be able to teach Luke after Obi-Wan died, so his powers would not be able to grow beyond what they were already. But Luke has now gone to Dagobah and met Yoda, which causes a tremor in the force. "We have a new enemy" = a new Jedi. He now knows he can be a threat. The original dialogue NEVER needed to be changed and certainly not to the horrible writing of the new version. The dialogue sticks out like a sore thumb compared to the writing of the rest of the movie. And the lines are back to how they were originally (apart from substituting "Luke Skywalker" for "Young Skywalker" due to having no usable audio of Ian saying "Luke")
The Golden Idol said:
Rapidshare is still saying the same thing. This is an error on the site and not on my computer, right?
Is there anything I can do besides waiting?
If you are using firefox don't forget that you need to clear both caches. the internet cache in the cotnrol panel and the firefox one (tools> options>advanced>network) .if this doesn't work go into "control panel>internet options> general>temporary internet files>setting>view files" and delete everything out of there and try again. can't guarantee this will work but at least it will rule out your cache.
doubleofive said:
Nice, simple. But where did you get "young Skywalker"? It fits in so well!
It was spliced together from the line ..."We have a new enemy, the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
Ok, here's something i just threw together to demonstrate the route i will be taking for the Emperor scene. its very rough and needs tweaking but you'll be able to see what i'm trying to accomplish
Moth3r said:
I brought this up a while ago; here is the post. Mike reckoned the same starfield was used when it was re-composited for the 1981, only flipped and positioned differently. (I could never see that , myself.)
Although hard to see, the telecine also confirms the GOUT has the original starfield.
i agree that the starfield post 1981 is different and not a flipped version. the stars are completely different. i flipped the starfiled from the laserdisc and overlayed it to the original starfield found in the 2004 & GOUT DVDs and there was no place that they could match
Erikstormtrooper said:
Yes. Tell me more of this second moon, please.
if you look HERE you can see that the main large moon at the left is different on the laserdiscs than the one from the GOUT & 2004 DVD set
Having just managed to look at your clip GoodMusician its an interesting idea, with the interuption and everything, but the line "how is that possible" is so obvious that it was recorded at a different time it stands out. PLus i've never liked the new line "the young rebel..". I still think that returning the whole conversation to its original wording is the way i will be going and eliminating all of the new lines.
doubleofive said:
The same thing happened to me, but if you put the < br > inbetween the lines it will add the line breaks as needed.
thanks. worked like a treat :)
doubleofive said:
So Ady, did you ever consider recoloring the TIEs in ANH blue for better consistency? And Ripplin's most recent Executor is now the definitive version.
at first yeh, but because many of the models they used were actually white the colour just wouldn't take properly and looked too fake, due to the fact that when you are recolouring something you need to be able to keep the white highlights to keep the colouring looking natural
Ripplin said:
Hey Ady, I have a question that I don't think has been asked yet: if there was pristine footage of the original Emperor scene, would you use that instead of the McDiarmid re-do? I know I would.
no. simply because the original looks nothing like the Emperor we all know now. The 2004 version is fixable to make him look like his ROTJ self so that's a better avenue IMHO
the fix was only ever for the problem with burning with imgburn. there were no other problems and the fix needed to only be applied if you wanted to burn with imgburn. The problems people were having with skipping etc were all down to burning / media problems and not the release itself (apart from the unpacked version that was on torrents which had nothing to do with me). If it was down to the iso then no one would have been able to burn successfully without any skipping or freezing upon playback. Use verbatim, burn at 2.4x and the problem is solved ( also certain older versions of nero has problems burning DL correctly). and don't forget that not all players support dual layer medium (recordable media not factory pressed commercial releases). but no none has had any problems with the many NTSC copies i have sent out that were burned using the original iso i posted (pre fix)
Kurgan said:
Actually, can anyone confirm... are the TIEs all blue in ESB (1980) or only the ones associated with the Executor?
After studying the video its seems all the TIEs are blue not just the ones associated with the Executor (even with the ever changing shades). It would have made a lot better sense if it was just the ones from the Executor that were blue and have the other ones grey then there wouldn't be the problem with the grey ones in ANH. The one thing that annoys me is the lame excuse that they were grey because they were the Death Star squadron. So why were the SE additions blue / grey and the Death Star ones in ROTJ blue? That is why i ignore any explanations that weren't in the movies (like the EU).
Don't forget sgdelta1771 that the top picture is from my colour corrected version and Ripplin's version isn't, so the stardestroyers would be a different colour, but the Executor is the correct colour. The colours are so messed up with the 2004 dvds that to restore colours i have to mask out certain elements and correct the colours separately. also the brightness of the stardestroyers in Ripplin's picture is correct. don't forget that the side we are seeing them from is in shadow (just look at which side the shadow is on the Executor). stripping the colour out to make it almost grey just doesn't look right to me and too bland.
Ripplin said:
I just did a quick one to make the coloring somewhere in between:
I like the blue windows/lights, so I did them separately. The body and tower have the saturation lowered 25 and the lights are lowered 15.
That's very close to the colouring, if not exactly, that i'll be using for the Executor in ESB:R.
On another note i have to say a huge thanks to the members who have donated so far. I have enough for the monitor and have ordered it and i'm only £70 off getting the quad core. Thanks for the link to newegg GoodMusician but its a US site so no good for me. although the place i will get the processor from has their prices almost the same. So at this rate i could be getting started again very soon
i think i've found another one. You can't have more than one seperate line in your sig now. I used to have 3 separate lines(spaced by an extra line) in my sig but i just updated it by adding a new section , now they are all on the same line, even though they should be separated.
rlockhart said:
adywan said:
rlockhart said:
Adywan I live in the States so let me know how to make a cotribution and its as good as done, send me a PM with some info ! I want my ESB in 720p
It's in my sig
I am new to this so point me in the right direction how do I get to your sig sorry about the ignorance.
no probs. the sig is at the end of all my posts
Jeyl said:
adywan said: I explained before that the spinning starfield will eb gone, same as in ANH:R. I've never liked it at all.I think you should be more open to preservation Ady. There is nothing wrong with having something you don't like in a film if others admire it. After all, Lucas always said that he was never happy with the original Star Wars movies, but did we complain? I don't think so, but he went ahead and changed them anyways. Now we have you, doing one heck of a good job but now it's the same thing all over again. Changing what's not broken that fans actually like.
adywan said:
So its gone. Discussion over. lolPlease, if I wanted a response like that I would have gone to Steve Sansweet's on stage presentation for the un-altered DVDs.
"the transfers from the bonus discs are absolutely incredible, because these are pristine master tapes, and I have never seen—despite what you may have heard on Internet rumours—a better transfer of a movie."
But i'm not doing a preservation. Why don't people get that? The whole thing started off because i wanted to make an edit that i was happy with, changing things that i didn't like. But then i put details about it here and then got other peoples opinions & suggestions, while still staying true to my original vision. If i was going to do something that everyone would like then i would be doing a restoration of the OUT. I'm not going to change my mind about it especially when only a couple of people don't like the change and wasn't an issue when it was gone in ANH:R. Oh and my comment about the discussion being over was supposed to be light hearted (hence adding lol after it).
rlockhart said:
Adywan I live in the States so let me know how to make a cotribution and its as good as done, send me a PM with some info ! I want my ESB in 720p
It's in my sig
GoodMusician said:
no no no no no no no...
I see that you used the SE to replace the music for the Main Title. You shouldn't do that. The SE is mixed incorrectly.
About half the score when they went to put it on the SE still had the Tomlinson original mixes intact...BUT... the otherhalf had to be remixed... it was remixed in a singular afternoon... Because of this, every track that was remixed is critically flawed.
The Sound Field is narrowed, and the HORNS are flipped... meaning things Like "Main Title" have horns flipped, tracks like "Hyperspace" have the strings too narrow... and the "Imperial March" lacks a lot of its depth and widness...
I'm soo glad you're cleaning up the music, but you can't use the SE... in all honesty... please don't.
i did say it was a rough mix & it was just for the benefit of the clip and nothing more. i won't be doing any audio work until i have the video section locked down, due to editing. But it would be great if you could let me know what pieces of the SE soundtrack are ok to use. I would be using the Anthology box set for the music anyway. also your mix of Bobas voice sounds pretty good, but i really hate Morrrison's performance and will be sticking with the original superior voice.
Sluggo said:
I thought the clip looked great!
I was wondering about how much work you are doing with the opening crawls...
I know you reworked the one for SWR to match the others. The vertical placement of the crawls is different in all six movies.
It is a small thing, but it would be great to see the crawls along the same plane. Not that one watches all six at once, but it is more of a subconscious thing.
Um...
No, i'm making the colouring of the crawl uniform throughout all 6 movies, but not the placement.
Ripplin said:
HotRod said:
It's the beep beep beep that Lando does with his watch thingy to Lobot. It's the same beep beep beep as Luke's on Hoth. Plus, Lando's beep is not in sync with his finger movement.
Like I said, just a small thing!
Just a small thing, but how cool a fix would that be?! It's something I've always noticed, too. Well, not so much the actual sound, but the sync.
That's one things thats bugged me too so i will be fixing that
Josh said:
How bout you just ste, I mean Barrow your friends computer.
What?
Kurgan said:
Jeyl said:
I have a question (and forgive me for bringing this up again). What is your final word on the spiraling Star Field when the Millennium Falcon goes into Hyperspace? I know you talked about consistency in visuals, but I personally believe that this instance doesn't need any visual tweaking for the sake of continuity. Everything in Star Wars whether it's blasters, lightsabers, space fighters, force effects or sound effects always have their own unique style compared to each other. It's kind of like why all the Hyperspace charging sound effects keep changing from movie to movie.
I know that the spiraling stars are not used in the prequel trilogy, but neither are the stretching stars from the cockpit point of view. And if you look at it from a technical stand point, the spiraling effect is used in 2/3 of the original trilogy! You could try and find a way to incorporate the stretching stars and spiraling star field into the prequels if you ever get around to them (I can think of a way to do the Naboo cruiser from Episode One going into hyperspace easily), kind of like with Jango's voice when he's wearing the helmet.
Believe me. The spiraling Star Field was not an accident that the crew just slapped on there, nor was it something that fans argued about or even disputed about. Heck, Lucas doesn't even have any issues with it! Isn't that a first? And as I've said before, the effect itself is even reproduced in a lot of Star Wars products like in Knights of the Old Republic! And like the movies, it's only reproduced if the circumstances are right. So why not leave it in? It doesn't hurt the story, disrupt the pace or bring up questions on how Hyperspace works. It's just a tiny little awesome element that works on it's own right that really does give it a bigger boost of energy that is not present in a static star field.
- Jeyl
I found the shot you're talking about and I agree the spinning starfield on takeoff looks better. I miss it now... :(
I explained before that the spinning starfield will eb gone, same as in ANH:R. I've never liked it at all. It also only appears in eps IV & V and in the rest there is no spinning starfield. So its gone. Discussion over. lol
Kurgan said:
Looks great (though I still think the guy standing to our right of the Laser Turret looks way too static and similar to the later shot during the battle)!
However the file was pretty jerky on my mac at work here. Anyone else have that issue?
I haven't finished the FX work yet. I'm looking for another character to replace him. I don't have any jerking issue on my PC when playing it.
doubleofive said:
Here's another mock-up of both the darker Star Destroyer and a Super Star Destroyer that better matches the lighting in the next shot.
Much better . the executor's shadowing matches the previous shot now
rlockhart said:
You want the impossible Luke's line At 1:11:26 of ESB Any one else notice the ground around Yoda, when luke steps and the ground around Yoda flexes , and sinks. I dont know how to post a pictue of the clip, but that was always something that took me out of that scene of the movie. I posted this before but nobody chimmed in so any boby want to give this a look and opinion also Can that be fixed.
Yes , this was mentioned before. At first i was going to put it down to it being set in a swamp but upon closer inspection the ground moves a bit to much and the movement covers too much area. I'm going to fix this.
nabakov said:
I'd love to see the blinking red light fitting on the exterior of the Falcon fixed as Chewie bumps into it with C-3PO on his back during the escape from Cloud City, damn that thing looks cheap when it comes loose after a little bump.
The Wampas dismembered arm is the wrong size for where it is cut. Annoying.
Can't agree more with returning Boba Fett's voice to the original, how about returning the Slave 1 audio to the original as well? The recycled sound from that Attack of the Clones movie is irritating.
How about a HD release when all is said and done. It would be beautiful.
The light will be fixed, the wampa shot will be gone so there will be no problem with the length of the severed arm.
As for a HD release, well here's the crunch. My PC isn't capable of working with HD footage with all the work being done on it. But, now i had a go with a quad core and saw what its capable of then i'm hooked. So i'm announcing that production of ESB:R has now officially stopped until later in the year. Not only have i still got to find the money for the monitor but i really want to upgrade the processor to quad core and do a 720p version (although there won't be a HD version of ANH:R. Its impossible to do now.) I reckon it will take me until about Xmas to save up enough for the processor. It just isn't worth me doing any more work on it if i'm going to be changing resolution to work with.
Well i've had an interesting weekend. A friend of mine was having problems with his PC and asked me if i could check to see if he had assembled it correctly (which he hadn't). But the main thing is that he had a quad core processor in his machine. Because i ahd all weekend before he picked the PC back up i popped the processor in my machine and, oh my god, it flew. I tried out a section of video to see if the processor could cope with it and it didn't grind to a hault, unlike my dual core, when i tried the same thing. What is thing that i tried you may ask? well here's a clue:
The file is about 100mb and is a low bitrate, so not what the final quality would be like. It isn't a finished sample (with some FX tweaks needed)but i just had to see if it could do it. The audio is again only a temp track, with a bit that may please GoodMusician, and even though you ahve seen most of the clip before, you haven't seen it like this and it also features the Better Taun Taun facial movements. The colouring is slightly different too. there was still too much blue in the last clip so i reduced it more, without making the snow grey. Much happier with it now
I'll answer some of the questions posted here over the weekend later.
yeh. looks like the forum is having a problem. Just look for post 1508
Kurgan said:
Could you post a sample shot of your ideal TIE color for ESBR?
I already have HERE
Kurgan said:
vbangle said:
Kurgan said:
But if we put the TIEs from ANHR and the TIEs from ESBR side by side, the ESBR one is going to look more blue, right (and same if we put an ESBR TIE in front of a Star Destroyer hull or other gray surface)?
No LESS blue than this...?
It's appearing that shade of blue because of the flash overexposed it.
So Adywan has picked a shade at random and is sticking to it? Whatever the real color of the original models, the intention in 1980 was to make them blue, it just wasn't a consistent shade of blue (after taking account for shadows and so forth). I just think it would be dull and annoying to turn them gray like ANH again.
I have not just picked a shade at random at all. I'm pretty sure ILM did when they first did ESB. I have checked every shot of TIEs in both ESB & ROTJ and the colouring is all over the place and it has nothing to do with shadowing or lighting, as i have mentioned before. I could have easily have just gone with grey for continuity but that was not the original colour of the model and how they were to be depicted in ESB & ROTJ. But with the ever changing colour a decision had to be made and i have gone with a balance that will still bring colour to them. the original models were painted "stormy sea blue" . The coloour si now discontinued and the toys are just a rough estimation so you can't go by the colour of them
