Johnny Ringo said:
Just to be clear - Is this a bluray format release, or a High definition release compatible with bluray players?
Its a Hi-def release using the AVCHD Blu-ray disc structure but will fit on an ordinary DVD-9, so no need for a blu-ray burner or Blu-Ray media
Well i have been tinkering with my new quad core and along the way i discovered how to convert the HDTV 1080p saga into a Blu-Ray format that is compatible with the PS3 and Blu-Ray players (that support AVCHD which most new players do) but each movie will fit on a DVD-9 with the same quality as the hv 1080p 8.5gb mkv releases, which only had 2.0 sound for some of them. Unfortunately the y are the SE versions. Here's a list of each disc:
Disc 1:- THE PHANTOM MENACE
Details:- 1080p Colour corrected 23.976fps
5.1 English AC3 audio
2.0 English directors commentary
Hardcoded English subs for alien spoken parts
English subs
Dutch subs
German subs
French subs
Spanish subs
Danish subs
Chapters
No menus
Audio & subtitle streams selectable with the audio/subtitle button on your remote
Disc 2:- ATTACK OF THE CLONES (cancelled)
Disc 3:- REVENGE OF THE SITH (cancelled)
Disc 4:- A NEW HOPE - (basic colour correction) (AVAILABLE NOW)
Details:- 1080p True 24fps
AC3 5.1 English Dolby Digital Audio
Ac3 2.0 Directors commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
aC3 2.0 Alternate commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
Chapters
No menus
Greedo doesn't shoot
Disc 5: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK (Colour corrected) (AVAILABLE NOW)
Details:- 1080p 23.976fps
AC3 5.1 English Dolby Digital Laserdisc audio with Boba's original Voice
Original Pre-2004 Emperor
Ac3 2.0 Directors commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
Chapters
No menus
Disc 6: THE RETURN OF THE JEDI (basic colour correction) (Not available yet)
Details:- 1080p 23.976fps
AC3 5.1 English Dolby Digital Audio
Ac3 2.0 Directors commentary (selectable with the audio button on your remote)
Chapters
No menus
No Hayden
Now i can't guarantee that this format will play on every Blu-Ray player so i have made a small sample, that you will need to burn to a DVD, that you can test to see if your player is compatible before getting the release. You will waste a DVD-5 for just a few minutes of movie but it will save you wasting a DVD-9 anyway. Instructions on how to burn are included but its just an iso but burn with Imgburn because it gives a better compatibility than Nero (Nero UDF files system 2.50, which blu-ray is, is messed up and caused the disc to be unreadable in most cases). You don't really need to download this if you have a PS3 but if you want to be on the safe side (its been tested without any problems on a UK PS3 using the latest firmware - 2.41)
BLU-RAY AOTC SMALL SAMPLE TEST AVCHD -BURN ON DVD-5 -143mb approx rapidshare
The sample is only to test player compatibility and does not reflect the quality of the finished version
Please report back if you test this with the model number and country of the player you have tested it on so i can compile a compatibility list and get a better idea if it will only work on a PS3 before i finish them all off
Episodes 4, 5 & 6 contain the superior 5.1 theatrical SE audio from the laserdiscs
Enjoy
COMPARISON SCREENSHOTS
EPISODE IV
EPISODE I
vbangle said:
Octorox said:
vbangle said:
Octorox said:
I personally think that ESB needs the most effects work of any of the OT. Lucas barely touched the effects (unlike ANH, where many shots were replaced with CG). And thus, ESB feels very dated (effects-wise I mean, the story is great). ANHR has a very pristine feeling because Ady chose to keep all of Lucas's CG as well as touch up and clean up the effects himself. Coming off of ANHR and watching ESB 2004, the movie looks like it was made 30 years earlier. If Ady wants his OT to feel consistent throughout, then he needs to do a LOT of work on ESB. The only elements that aren't noticeably badly composited are the walkers, and even they could use some stop motion blur or something. Everything needs it's color tweaked for consistency and I think Ady needs to really clean up all of the effects scenes. As long as we get at least as much work as was done on ANHR it should be great. This is a Revisited project, not a Preservation effort.
Adywan did not "keep all of the 04 CG"....most of it was pure crap. Adywan replaced GL's CG (or added to it) with his own CG. Adywan also dumped quite a bit of it into the bin.....thank you Adywan. :)
Actually, the only cg Ady added were new TIE fighters in the Yavin battle and the only CG he removed were some of the silly and intrusive creatures and robots in the sequence entering Mos Eisley
Actually you couldn't be more wrong....LOL Maybe you need to visit the fisrt page of ANH-R....you might find that enlightning.....I seem to remember a new planet or something....a whole scene being REMOVED.....Aw wait wasn't there a brand new EXSPLOSION at the end of the movie?......lol.I could go on...
Wait I think my severed forearm and hand hurts just writing this.....
Actually he is correct. The only CG that was used (apart from graphic displays) was indeed the TIE's for the Death Star battle approach. All the other FX were created using photos of the models and other elements , like the planet and composited in after effects. The explosions are real explosions originally filmed against a black background that are available from the artbeats collection cd's.
But i think the FX in ESB are far superior to the ones in ANH. All i did on ANH:R was some recompositing and colour balancing. The original FX are still there. I'll just be doing the same with ESB. Admittedly more matte lines were cleaned up for the SE version of ANH than the other 2 in the OT, which does make a difference, but the quality fo the FX in ESB & ROTJ are far better than ANH
sorry been realy busy working on ESB:R pretty falt out along with a sideline project that i will be announcing shortly which should please PS3 and Blu-Ray owners :)
Ripplin said:
While we're on Trek (we'll stop soon, I'm sure!), do you like it to any degree, Ady?
Yeh, i'm a Trek fan too. I grew up with Trek since i was a kid in the early '70's
Thanks with all the help in finding the pics guys. Hopefully some great shots of the original models will surface somewhere. If not then i may have a solution. I have had a thought (thanks to darth solo for sending me a pic that inspired me). If i can't get any suitable pics of the generator or the bespin buildings then i could probably build my own models to use. This way i will have as many angles to work with as possible. It will slow work on ESB:R down a bit while i build them, but it could be a great alternative which would allow me a lot of freedom.
I'm also back to where i was before i installed the quad core. All the shots are now in 720p, so back to work on the rest of it now.
Darth Solo said:
Darth Solo said:
Ady has a big enough workload with this project alone, without getting side tracked about talk of two or three other projects on from here, that he may, or may not even be bothered to do in the end.
Just help him to focus on making the best he can do with what hes got.
Whoa, scrub that comment. Sounds like you may NOT have enough work to be getting on with at this pace!
How about a possible release date then ;-)
i can't give a release date. I can't tell how long this will take for a while yet. sorry
on another note, i'm not sure if anyone noticed a request i posted a while ago because no one answered.
i am looking for some pictures of the model used for the Hoth shield generator but i can't seem to find any online. I'm not looking for captures from the movie but ones of the actual model used. I hope someone out there has some.
Also i'm in need of pictures of the buildings from bespin used in the SE if anyone has any. i need the pictures to be good quality and hopefully high res too, but anything will help at the moment
thanks
well the quad core came this morning. Installed in about 5 mins and everything is running sweet. I've been able to redo about 80% of everything i had done so far for ESB:R already in glorious 720p. i should be back to the pre-720p stage by tomorrow. I didn't think it would take as quick as it has to redo everything. Good thing is that i was able to do a bit more tweaking to the first colour pass and things are looking a lot better now.
PaulisDead2221 said:
adywan said:
rlockhart said:
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault
I'm not sure what your video editing program is (you told me once, and I forgot. Vegas?). Anyway, when I did Batman: Year One in 1080p, I did it with Adobe Premiere Pro. As long as your video editing program has multiple video tracks, this will work. I put the 1080p version on video track one, then above it, on video track two, I put a 480p version of the same film, frame accurate to the HD version. I then set video track one to be invisible, and just made sure that every change I made to my visible 480p footage, was also done to the 1080p version. Basically, every edit you make is made twice, then when it was time to encode, I set video track one to be visible, and video track two to be invisible. It still slows things down excessively, but only during the final encoding stage. I'm not sure if this information may be helpful to you, or how stressful, if implemented, it would make editing with all the color correction/fx layering you do (which I would imagine takes up more than two video tracks). But I thought you might find a way to temper the method to make 1080p editing work for you.
yeh doing an edit that way is no problem at all. It doesn't matter how many tracks you have because when it comes to encoding its only rendering one track complete track. When i'm doing the FX work or the colour layers then every visible track is being rendered at the same time (due to all the layer masks & elements) which can be around 30 tracks or more and most of the time each track has different effects filters added to them. this is when it grinds to a halt. 1080p for a project like this is out of the question without some serious hardware
i guess you didn't read what i wrote. How the hell was he a great pilot. Everything he did in the Naboo starfighter was an accident. he was a bungling fool that didn't know what the hell he was doing. All he did was do a fancy spin and then get hit by and disabled. yeh, great pilot. Now if he had deliberately piloted the ship into battle and fought the enemy the destroyed the control ship on purpose then it would have gone some way to say he was a great pilot. And wasn't the pod race supposed to be an intergalactic speedway race? so wouldn't that make him a driver and not a pilot?
gavin77 said:
I know you don't care Jor Tallen, but if you go to StarWars.com, there is all of this new information explaining what Dooku was doing and why, what the Clone Wars were all about, etc., etc. I generally felt a bit confused about all of the politics and reasons for stuff too, but with all of the new Clone Wars stuff at SW.com, they have added all kinds history and info that I never knew, clearing up a lot of the confusion, really cool, you should check it out. Ya....back to Empire.....peace....
you see that's one of the big problems with the PT. Most of it made no sense whatsoever. When you watch a movie you shouldn't have to wait until a website puts extra information to explain things, it should be all there in the movie. The casual viewer wouldn't be heading to a website so they can understand it. Did anyone have that problem with the OT? No. I haven't been able to watch TPM for years now. The last time was the day it came out on DVD. That was the only Star Wars movie ever that i almost fell asleep while watching it on its opening day. I left the cinema feeling numb and wondering what the hell it was all about. It was all just fancy backdrops and FX. The whole battle at the end was pathetic. "oh dear my ship has been hit and i'm not even supposed to be here. Damn autopilot. i like spinning. oh no, now i have been hit and my ship just happened to fly inside this control ship. Oh no, now i have pressed the wrong button and blew up the ship. I've saved the day. yipeee".... YUK. So much for being a great pilot when Obi-Wan met him
quad core should be here in a couple of hours :)
Octorox said:
Ady:
All right. Thanks for clearing that up. But as a suggestion, couldn't you do your compositing in seperate waves? Like, for example, do all the color correcting, export it as a video, do some basic fixes, export that, do more fixes ect. So you don't have that many layers all at once. I'm sorry, I don't know much about After Effects but I've worked with video in FCP and a little in Motion.
i was actually talking about all the layers i've had to do just for the colour correction. I have to do each stage needed at the same time. i can't do most things sperately. i would have no hard drive space left after just part of the colour correction if i did it that way. The PT i would probably be able to do in 1080p because there isn't as much work to be done on those, its mainly going to be editing
Octorox said:
Maybe it's not your processor, couldn't your video card have something to do with it? A lot of FX rendering could be video card intensive as well. I'm sure people worked with editing and compositing in HD on normal workstations when quad cores were relatively unheard of.
Its definately not my video card. After effects uses more of the processor and not the card and when you have got around 50 seperate layers & several compositions at a time, each using a different filter then thats where the problem begins. Don't forget i'm not rendering 3D. PLus there is hardly a noticable difference between 720p and 1080p with the HD sources anyway. 1080p isn't future proof either
Octorox said:Okay, I won't bring it up anymore. It's your edit and I have no right to argue. I guess it's just that I grew up with the PT and the KOTOR game so to me sith eyes=dark side. However you DID add things from the PT in ANH Revisited (The AOTC Death Star Schematics, a Battle Droid in the junkpile and the Battle of the Heroes music, all additions that I loved) and you did say that one of your primary concerns with these edits was to bridge the PT and the OT. Also I would hate to see the Sith eyes removed in ROTS...and btw Dooku was a conflicted character, he never really drew from the Dark Side as heavily as the others, I honestly like edits where he gets a yellow lightsaber and he would only need Sith eyes in parts of the fight scene with Yoda...but I digress
Anyway here's a more important concern. The red lighting from the Executor's engines look incredibly fake in many shots, like the back part of the Exercutor was just tinted red, there's no real lighting and it almost looks like static flames or something are sprouting out of the back. I'm talking about side shots of the Executor like this one
Looks nothing like
Also to echo my suggestion again about the lack of green in the surface of Dagobah as viewed from Outer Space.
Lastly I really would have liked 1080p so that the project is essentially future-proof (for a while anyway) but beggers cant be choosers
The Death Star schematics were first seen in its red mesh form in ROTJ and with having the scheamtics matching that style in AOTC it was a logical addition and wasn't because it featured in the PT. The battle droid was just an in joke and the music was just to mirror the original duel and not anything like adding things like Sith Eyes. There's a fine line to get a bit fanwanky when doing an edit like this and adding stuff for the hell of it. Some of the ideas i had when starting this whole project seemed great at the time and cool but i have to take a step back and there has to be a logical reason why its added and not just because it will look cool.
The engine colour of the Executor in your shot is down to the colour mess of the 2004 versions. the pre-2004 versions have the engines the proper colour throughout and don't look fake.
rlockhart said:
Adywan will all the previous work on ESB be in 720p ? a better way to putting it will all of ESB be 720p quality. One more thing why not 1080p is it because of the source material ?
I will be starting from scratch so everything will be in 720p. All the project files ahve been saved so its just a matter of dropping in the 720p source foir the colour correction first pass. shouldn't take me too long to catch up with what i ahve done already. 1080p is impossible to work with on a project like this due to all the colour correction and FX work i will be doing. Even a quad core can't cope with all the work being done. it just crawls or grinds to a hault
Octorox said:
JohnGreenArt said:
negative1 said:
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
later
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The 1981 version of ESB? I didn't know there was an '81 version different than the '80 version. What are the changes?
I myself don't mind the Star Wars re-release with "A New Hope" added.
As for Sith eyes, they're not needed. The story is told just fine without them.
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? Was the new death star reveal and battle of the heroes along with Obi and Vader's fight needed? Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. My point is that Sith eyes look cool, and this would be the perfect place to put them in. I don't mean to whiny or anything but really only Ady can decide what's needed and what's not.
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT
Well was the planet under the Death Star needed? well yes. the death star was still under construction. In ROTJ it orbits a planet with a protective shield and is a base of operations. It made sense to mirror this fact in ANH
Where the million news Ties and fighters in the yavin battle needed? Not really. again, yes. It was a battle and all the Empire sent out to destroy 30 ships was 5 TIE fighters? There weren't millions either there were only 40. Something that was added to flesh out the battle and have it more of a struggle for the Rebels
benefits of Sith eyes-
They look cool - And thats a HUGE reason not to add them. I don't add stuff in just because it will look cool. That's post SE GL territory and i'm never going down that dark path
They communicate the purpose of the scene more clearly, especially to younger viewers (showing what Luke could become if he chooses the wrong path)
They create another visual link to the PT without ruining the integrity of OT - Well i saw ESB when it first came out in 1980. I was 13 and i went with my brother who was only 9 and some of his friends and they all got it. I think you underestimate the intelligence of the younger viewer. Some things do not need to be explained. it up to the viewer to interpret a scenes meaning. If everything is added to explain everything then it takes away the magic of movies and becomes pretty boring.
There will be no Sith eyes in the OT:Revisited. The Emperor was the only one who ever had the so called Sith eyes until ROTS. If they are supposed to depict that someone is evil & that someone has turned to the dark side then why the hell didn't Dooku have them? Another thing GL added to screw things up without actually thinking about it just because it would look cool. I have said numerous times that i will NOT be adding anything from the PT to the OT. The problems the PT brought up with continuity will be dealt with when i get to the PT.
On another not i have to say a big thank you to everyone who contributed. I have now ordered the quad core and it comes tomorrow. So after tomorrow is down to restarting the colour correction and fixes that i have already done and work at 720p now. :)
negative1 said:
gavin77 said:
.......and yah to Doubleofive.... I guess that I appreciate the guy....(George), that gave us all of these movies, and I believe it is his story. With that being said, I think he and Lucasfilm really jacked up with the OT releases, and I still can't believe with all of their capability to fix and restore these old films that they gave us those crappy dvd sets? So I'm somewhere in between a "Revisionist" and a "Lucas Apologist", one that really likes the PT, "just so you know who you are dealing with"....peace......
why are a lot of people on this board under the illusion that the OT is not available in good quality?
(and yes, i have ALL the dvd full screen/widescreen/special edition releases also)..
i have it on laserdisc in at least 3 variations....definitive box set, the japanese box set, and the thx faces version..
i've had it for ages...........................and yes i have a high definition tv (32 inch)....................no my eyes aren't bad...
i don't see that the dvd versions are really that bad compared to the laserdisc, and people on this board, (ok excluding
x0, v8, and a few others), have transferred over the laserdisc version to that accursed dvd format......what else do
you people want???????????????????????????
yeah, i know most of you don't care about the SE versions of course, which are also *AHEM* freely 'available' in high definition formats..........
which blow away the SE dvd's.....
..............................its just a matter of time before those get de-SE'd down to the originals...............................
in fact if we can get the 35mm version of empire cleaned up maybe that might be it...preliminary tests of the scans are decent.....
see if you can tell the difference in that thread...
i just can't understand the griping, is it that hard to buy older longer lasting, and dirt cheap laserdiscs? or are people to biased against
older technology????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
by the way, if you can't tell, i'm a purist, i prefer the 77 star wars, and the 81 ep V, and 83 ep VI, but i don't mind watching the SE versions ('from time to time'), but i don't consider them as a replacement.............more like a fan edit..
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Probably because the OT ISN'T available in good quality. The 2004 DVDs & the HD versions look like shit. They may have the cleaned up image but the colours are so bad (& the new additions of the emperor dialogue & Bobas new crappy voice in ESB & Hayden in ROTJ) they are un-watchable to me nowadays, as they are to hell of a lot of people. I have the laserdiscs & the GOUT and you cannot call them good quality at all but are just acceptable (they were good for their day but not in today's society). they are only a small step up from VHS. We live in the DVD & Hi-Def age and we get fobbed off with the inferior GOUT set. Not everyone wants to have sub standard quality, or have to take a step back into the dark ages of laserdisc just to have their favourite movies. The GOUT looks like shit on a LCD / Plasma HD TV. Having to zoom in makes the picture quality worse and having a movie of such significance as Star Wars in 4:3 letterbox today is an insult to fans. You can bet that if we ever get the OUT in the high quality formats fans deserve then you'll see a hell of a lot of laserdisc players being sold.
Just saw this in your thread GoodMusician and i totally agree
GoodMusician said:
Sorry to double post. but if I had to say what I'd want the explosion of the Shield Generator to look like, I'd say this:
I wish i could get a high quality video of that
doubleofive said:
Oh, and just to make sure, you are making all of the Star Destroyer "exhaust" blue, right? I noticed a shot in RotJ that has both blue and yellow on seperate Destroyers, with most of the Empire ones just having white "exhaust." Also, what kind of consistency can be brought to the fact that most of the time in ESB only the three main engines are lit... I know you talked about doing the Falcon's, just making sure the Star Destroyers were included in that consistency check.
yeh the stardestroyers engines will be blue and as for the engines, i never noticed that only 3 are lit. not sure what to do there. I'll have to have a god think about that
satanika said:
Here's one (tiny) thing that's always bothered me... (Not sure if it's been mentioned, if so, sorry :) )
It looks like one of the claws of the Tauntaun model broke off... Makes it look a bit fake.
It's actually the webbed part between it's claws. So doesn't need fixing
ben_danger said:
maybe another battledroid reference could be added?
Sluggo said:
seven said:
We first see IG-88 here in the bounty hunter scene.
In the book "Tales of a Bounty Hunter" Boba Fett 'killed' IG-88 and he wound up here in the junk pile (next to the furnace). But for continuity, his color will have to be changed to match.
Ady's not gonna make a change based on an EU book. The book should have matched the movie.
I have said before that the EU does not exist to me and there will be nothing changed or added because it has been referenced in anything outside of the movies. There are many protocol droids that look just like 3PO and are different colours so there is bound to be other versions of IG-88. Also there will be no PT droids anywhere in ESB:R. The reference was there in ANH:R because it was a nod to link the two trilogies. There doesn't need to be any more in the other movies.
R5D4 fan said:
Not for nothing, but there's a music bridge that was in the 1980 version that was "improved" for the revisions. It's right when Yoda pulls the X-wing out of the swamp and answers Luke's scepticism with "That is why you fail..." Then there's the shot of the shuttle going to Vader's ship and Captain Needa hitting the floor. The original bridge was less busy, minus the blaring horns.........
Adywan, will you be using the original or the new "special edition" version?
Thanks
Joe
The pre-SE version was a horrible cut to a different secton of the music. For the SE it was returned to the way it was originally recorded (and was on the soundtracks LPs) and IMHO sounds 100% better, so the SE version will be staying.
Ripplin said:
Taken from the 35mm thread, this is a still from the Vintage Edit, but is present in the other examples as well:
Very crooked saber there, Luke. :p
Yeh, all crooked sabers will be fixed.
gavin77 said:
Just one unpopular post for those of us who actually really like the PT......go PT go.....great movies!!!
God, you're really gonna hate me when i get to the PT. I'm going to be ripping those movies to shreds, beyond all recognition. lol
doubleofive said:
I was digging through T-bon'e Star Wars Universe and was just reading his review of the 2004 DVDs. He never mentions the bad colors (he believed they were deliberate changes), but I did find this part very interesting:
Right before the DVDs were released, I received a message from a friend who’s in the industry asking if I’ve seen the bad rendering of R2-D2 in Episode V. I really didn’t have any idea what he meant but he sent me a few pictures to compare the shots. I did and to be frank, I don’t really see anything all that upsetting. He seemed to be really upset about the big eye in particular.
Here's what he had to say:
What we are seeing here, is what appears to be a horrible re-rendering job of R2-D2. What I mean by this, is that they took the actual R2-D2 from the scene (that didn't have any 'blue' in it because it would have disappeared into the blue screen effects work) and placed CGI rendered 'blue pieces' over the originals to change the color of him from black to blue. What has incompetently occurred here is two serious flaws.
The first is the obvious poor rendering of R2's 'EYE' (the view port in the head that Kenny Baker could see out of) that is the square-ish panel on the front with a rounded lens in the center of it. What you will see, is how this horribly rendered replacement view port recreates R2's lens in an absolutely ridiculous and flawed way. Instead of being the right size, it is roughly 35% smaller and has the extra space around the lens made up with blue coloring. Just do a quick comparison between R2 in ANY other shot in the saga and you will see how HORRIBLE this looks and how poorly executed this change was.
Secondly, you will also notice in the same shot, that the side blue panels on R2 now also have an overlay of 'blue' to cover the original 'black' panels. These are just below the 'eye' and go around his head. The problem here is that by the end of the shot, R2 is moving his head back and forth, but the blue overlays move at a different speed to the rest of his head! So instead of a quick fine tuning that the effects element and rendering could have had, they sloppily just threw this overlay on, and didn't make any effort to perfect this effects shot.
In general, this is a horrible rendering job, and another embarrassment that no filmmaker should ever let get out. This DVD set was rushed, and the flaws of the rush are evident; especially the incompetent and inconsistent sound mix on A New Hope including the reversed music channels in the surrounds.
After looking at it for a while, I do see what he means but since my eye wasn’t looking for it, I didn’t notice it. The dark inset part of the eye is a bit small. Click on the image to the right for a nice comparison of all three versions of the shot in question. The top shot is from the new DVD set, the bottom left is from the original release (note the black panels on R2), and the bottom right is the 1997 Special Edition version. Looking at them all together it does seem they went a little overboard with the blue for the DVD release. Personally, I still don’t think this shot looks that bad but my friend was pretty adamant that it didn’t look so hot so I’d be remiss not to mention it. I mean, this is really nit picky stuff, after all. He’s a good guy and very professional so I’m sure his complaint is valid. I think he’s an R2-D2 fan so of course he’s a little biased. The set may have been rushed but it's OK for a set to hold us over until...whenever.
Here is the comparison:
I think I've noticed the drift before and this shot has R2's panels way more blue than the others, but CG panels when the 1997 version looks just fine? What do you think? Are they CG panels or just a product of the higher resolution?
And to bring it back to the revelency of the thread, how should Ady handle this?
Only that shot and 1 other looks fine in the '97 version (and in the 2004 version but heavily saturated). That comparison shot is very misleading because the 2004 shot is from a different section where the colouring is really bad. If they had put the correct shot in there for the 2004 version then it would ahve looked almost the same as the '97 versionthey overdid the rest of the shots and there are times that you can see the new colour overlay doesn't line up correctly. Its going to eb a bugger to fix but it the colouring needs taking back a lot.
ben_danger said:personally i think a small battledroid reference would be fun, but perhaps kurgan has a point. does ady plan to do a purist/non purist version again? it could be something that features in one and not the other.
There will be no Purist edition
Kurgan said:
So did someone say Ian says "Luke" on that John Williams special or something?
Yeh, he said Luke a few times on the Musical Journey DVD but non could be used for the Emperor scene
The Golden Idol said:
So, you have to use Winrar or Daemon Tools to create an iso file before burning to DVD, correct? Does it matter which one I use?
No. Daemontools is only to mount an image. Use Winrar to unpack the rars to give you the ISO file, then burn
Ok, i got bored today and decided to have a bit of fun. I took the original unaltered footage of the Emperor hologram ad decided to sync Ian's performance with it (well the best i could with only spending an spare hour. lol) Have fun .... Oh and the video has not been edited at all. It's exactly as it was pre-SE. only the Emperors voice has been changed
GoodMusician said:
The timing between "There is a great disturbance in the force" and "I have felt it" and again back to "We have a new enemy" are huge... massive... of course, in your edit Ady, being PAL, the pacing seems better...
But in NTSC... the timing is gigantic... it always seems so... "I'm not paying attention"... that's the only issue I really had... I know it sounds fine to you... but in NTSC... its a bit long..
yeh, but don't forget that it was only a test of what could be done using the original lines. it was put together in a few minutes and i did say it was rough. I won't be doing any proper work on the audio until the video side of things is complete, so i didn't want to waste any time on the audio so the timing isn't how it would be in the finished edit
well i just watched it i didn't like the new conversation. My reasons are that the line "this boy , young Skywalker" doesn't sound right (doesn't fit together naturaly) and Vader agains mentions that he's just a boy (repetition that isn't needed IMHO). But i really loved the addition of the Emperors theme and that extra bit where vader bows then rises his head really works. Love it. But i feel that the end music is a bit too dramatic. i am warming to the interruption though, but i really do want to go with the closest possible way of returning the conversation to its original lines
