BMadden said:
Thanks, Ady. So all I have to do is open up IMGBurn and write the image file to a dual layer disc, correct? Thanks again for your help.
yes, that's correct
BMadden said:
OK, this is probably a dumb question and I apologize in advance for sounding like a newbie, but I've downloaded all 6 AVCHD movies and I can't get the .iso files to open with my normal program(Magic ISO). It won't recognize the files like it normally does with all other ISO files. What do I need to use to burn these on dual-layer DVDs so they'll play in my PS3? If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!
use imgburn. That has no problem with the avchd isos.
i have to give a huge appology to Darth Stewie. I guess the lack of sleep and pressure to catch up with what i had already done, only to have to start everything again from scratch now i'm doing it in 1080p, just turned me into a cranky old git. I really do appreciate all the input you have done to this project. Seeing a post about a totally unrelated movie just got my attention at completely the wrong time, and i just lost it ( which as everyone knows is totally out of character for me). So i am truly sorry. No one is going on my ignore list. i don't have one.
I guess i am pushing myself too hard to get this edit done in the shortest possible time, but without cutting corners. The pressure is really on me to live up to ANH:R, which i totally didn't expect. Also i don't want to have to be still doing these movies when i'm 50+, which is how old i'll be if each one takes 2 years+.
Again, i'm sorry. I guess i was seduced by the dark side. But i'm all better now. lol
Bingowings said:
adywan said:
What the hell????? Last time i looked this is the ESB:R thread. Maybe that should have gone in the Dark Knight thread as it has nothing to do with this project. There has been too many posts that don't relate to ESB (but at least the others have related to a star wars movie) & i have stated before that its getting impossible to keep track of all the suggestions for ESB:R without something like this getting posted.
Please no more about anything other than ESB. There will be threads started for the other SW saga movies that you can discuss ideas for them at the appropriate time. I'm pretty busy at the moment but i like to keep track when i see a new post only to have wasted my time reading stuff like this.
Anymore and mr. ignore button will start to get some use on those offending. lol
On my part I did explain that I'm new to these boards and to this thread which has already verged off onto all things Star Wars Revisited. Most of what I'd like to see has been already suggested by others and your good self who is doing all the hard work anyway so if I didn't diverge from the topic in some form I'd really wouldn't be able to contribute to the thread at all.
i wasn't pointing anything towards you. it was Darth Stewies damn stupid Dark Knight post that really pissed me off. I couldn't give 2 shits about bloody batman so why the hell he thought that it was suitable to post something that had nothing to do with star wars just annoyed me, especially when there is already a thread in the off topic thread about that movie.
Darth Stewie said:
PS I know its not Star Wars..... I just don't care.
And nor do i about batman, so just think before you post next time. THIS IS ABOUT STAR WARS: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - REVISITED. Do you get it now?
Damn. can anyone tell i've had no sleep for over 48 hours? lol :)
Darth Stewie said:
I just got home from the theatre. I never in a million years thought I'd say this, but Heath Ledger has given one of the most amazing performances in Cinema history. Quite literally, The Dark Knight can stand as one of the top 5 best movies ever made. I'm stunned. I'm in awe. I'm deeply saddened that I'll never get to see the Joker again. Heath Ledger owns this character for all eternity. I don't know if I've ever left a theatre feeling this emotionally drained. I really don't know how to express how this movie..... just a movie.... has made an idelible mark on me. My entire lifetime I've dreamed of a movie capturing and surpassing what I feel a particular genre should be and this is better than the Frank Miller Batman. For me to say that is done with the utmost respect.
This is the Batman. This is the Joker. This is TwoFace. This is Gordon. There can be no other.
PS I know its not Star Wars..... I just don't care.
What the hell????? Last time i looked this is the ESB:R thread. Maybe that should have gone in the Dark Knight thread as it has nothing to do with this project. There has been too many posts that don't relate to ESB (but at least the others have related to a star wars movie) & i have stated before that its getting impossible to keep track of all the suggestions for ESB:R without something like this getting posted.
Please no more about anything other than ESB. There will be threads started for the other SW saga movies that you can discuss ideas for them at the appropriate time. I'm pretty busy at the moment but i like to keep track when i see a new post only to have wasted my time reading stuff like this.
Anymore and mr. ignore button will start to get some use on those offending. lol
Knightmessenger said:
What do you mean by an airtight container to store discs? Where do you get one, what does it cost?
I used a vaccuum container that i have had for years that was for storing papers in. You just seal the lid and then suck the air out with a its mini vaccuum cleaner ( i ahve 1 smallish one that i keep important discs in and 3 larger ones that contain some of my older artwork that wasn't done on canvas). haven't seen them around for a while but i'm pretty sure that you can still get them though. but you can always use an airtight plastic container used for storing food. they work just as well
negative1 said:
adywan,
don't worry about the HD DVD part,
i have that covered..
(i'll post a sample when i'm ready)...
But my versions won't be the same as the files already posted so you won't be able to do a HD-DVD conversion just yet. Mine will have colour correction and editing work done + extra audio tracks.
I'm starting the first movies (ANH) colour correction encode tomorrow. I need to clear out my hard drives first. Each encode is huge, around 250gb, so i need a lot more space than i have already for each one.
What version of AOTC is that screencap from? There is hell of a lot of compression artefacts, which are not from Jpeg compression. Is that from the DVD or the AVCHD?
negative1 said:
sorry ady....bluray and the monopoly they have will never be acceptable, and will always be way too expensive.......(yes,
even with the ps3 price drop..sheeshhhhhhhhh)....................
later
-1
lol. I can remember people saying the exact same thing when DVD came out. they all complained about the price of the players, burners and media. My first DVD burner cost me £450. Now look how cheap you can buy them for. The same will happen with Blu-Ray. Don't forget, it has only just won the war. Prices of burners have dropped over £300 in the last 6 months here. You can buy one now for about £140 and media for about £6. that price will continue to drop as the demand grows. you have to face it, Blu-Ray is here to stay.
I'm really surprised just how negative you are towards Blu-Ray because of your hatred for Sony, yet you support Microsoft's Xbox & HD-DVD when Microsoft are a hell of a lot worse than Sony will ever be. I'm not a great lover of Sony, and never will be, but i preferred the format of Blu-Ray right from the start over HD-DVD. I don't care who things are made or developed by as long as its good. I'm just glad i went with the PS3 over the X-BOX360, even though my mates all said i was mad and that it was crap. We all bought our consoles within a few months of each other and i'm the only one who got a Ps3 and the only one who has had no problems whatsoever with my console. Out of 7 of them that got the 360, 6 have had the red ring of death. 2 have had it again with the replacement. now the warranted has ran out they have a dead console. Not good that especially when Microsoft knew about the 360's problems but deny that its a fault. Needless to say all but 1 have now got a PS3 and will never touch Microsoft consoles ever again.
I just wish we didn't have to have these damn format wars all the time when something new comes out. It's always the consumer that gets stung.
AuggieBenDoggie said:
Ady, is it possible to see some 1080p footage that you have completed so far?
i'm afraid not. i haven't even started converting the original file yet to 1080p avi as i had done all the new work with 720p. i have just deleted the 720p stuff and starting again. it will be a week or so before i have even done the first colour pass.
nohandluke said:
I have one concern about an eventual Blu-Ray version of ESB. I have been told that recordable Blu-Rays are unable to play on Blu-Ray players. This was one of the big gripes that came from the HD-DVD camp back when the war was on. Essentially that Blu-Ray "Rs" were only useful as data discs in PCs due to a deliberate lack of support as recorded movie discs on players (something about combatting piracy) Stupid Sony...
Most of those issues were either down to the burning software that was available and the players firmware. The PS3 can play BD-R & BD-RE since a firmware upgrade and many other players have fixed this issue with a firmware upgrade too. Although samsung disabled BDMV (the main blu-ray standard) after a firmware which made blu-ray recorded movies unplayable butu most other players will play it. There is also the BDAV standard which has less features and almost all players will play the recordable media.
But a blu-ray disc version is years away yet. The AVCHD should play on most Blu-ray players so you'll be able to watch it, with chapters and extra audio tracks, but recorded to a single DVD-9
nohandluke said:
Do any of your friends have an LG BH200 - Those play BOTH Blus and HDs.
No. No one i know has any form of standalone HD-DVD playback
Covenant said:
negative1 said:
dont worry hd-dvd fans,
i'm getting the wookiegroomer versions,
and will be converting those over anyways..
later
-1
!!!
I was starting to get concerned !!!
Covenant
A Man With An Obsolete HD Format Player... But LOADS Of Cheap Movies For It !! ;' )
Don't worry. i was just messing about with the HD-DVD owners. I'm looking into ways of making a HD-DVD DVD-9 version of these. Problem is that no one i know has a HD-DVD anymore (my mate just sold his and got a PS3) so there is no way for me to test the authored disc for compatibility
ryanvb said:
A 1080P version would be amazing! But just remember, it's probably going to make us all clamour for you to re-do ANH in 1080P after seeing this one ;) .
I can quite honestly state that a 1080p version, or any HD versions of ANH:R will never happen. I never want to do that movie again
greedo said:
please do a 1080p mkv version. I hope other peeps want this as well.
I have said that you can get the AVCHD version and rip out the m2ts file and convert it to a .ts file that will play on your PC and will be exactly the same as a .mkv version. It takes a few minutes with free software and the quality is exactly the same because you are not re-encoding the file.
greedo said:
I had so many good brands dvd-rs fail on me. plus they take up so much space and are slow and i always lost my marker pen to label them!
Well they couldn't have been good brands /dye. Just because a product has a well known name doesn't mean that the product is any good. I always used to use Ritek dye based media because they were always regarded as the best but hell of a lot of discs that have never been played are now unreadable because the dye has degraded. The Taiyo yuden ones are more expensive but i have ones that i recorded 6 years ago that scans show have not degraded at all. I haven't found another brand that haven't in some way degraded. Even Verbatim aren't always the best. It all depends on the dye they use.
Well i will be colour correcting the OT (although ROTJ isn't anywhere near as bad as the other 2, so less work.) Thanks to everything i learned while doing ANH:R i can get it looking pretty good with just one colour pass. So ANH could be finished as early as next week. But boy does it eat up hard drive space.
Oh and Han will be the only one to shoot
negative1 said:
the best plan of action is to have 1 master version: 1080p
everything after that is just downconverts.....it makes life a lot easier for those that
want the best quality.....................................i'm sure someone will take the time to
do all the downconversions to other formats, and disc sizes................
its just easier to have 1 master version, and everyone else can pick and choose
which version they will use, and not have to waste time downloading a huge
file they will never need/use..
later
-1
well not really. I will have the 1080p master and be doing all the coverts myself. I will have extras to add to the DVD versions and i like to create everything myself, like the menus etc. That way i can make sure the quality is the same throughout the releases. just having 1 file released isn't the way to go. not everyone wants the 1080p version. The versions i will be doing is:
DVD-5 PAL & NTSC
DVD-9 PAL & NTSC
XVID
1080p AVCHD (anyone wanting just the movie can rip the m2ts from the disc and convert it to a ts stream without having to re-encode with freeware tools that wil play on your PC. Takes a few minutes)
And when media & Burners become cheaper i will be doing a Full Blu-Ray version
That covers everyone (apart from HD-DVD owners. But if i want to cover dead formats i may as well make a Betamax/ VHS version too. lol)
greedo said:
dunno why u guys bother with discs with their fail rate and compatibility issues. just hook up a pc/laptop to your tele.
What about hard drive failures? I've had my fair share of failures with those things and lost so much stuff i prefer to back up my stuff on Taiyo Yden DVDs and store them in an air tight container. At least if you use decent media like Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden you'll have great computability and they will last probably longer than a hard drive, and no chance of accidental erasure either. And pen drives are unreliable. even the best makes have problems. You have more chance of losing impostant data the higher capacity drives are.
doubleofive said:
adywan said:
I think i may be changing my mind about doing this in 720p.
Anyone fancy 1080p instead?
The downside to this is that it will take longer to finish due to considerably longer rendering times
The answer you're looking for is "yes". I mean I only have a 720p screen, but we could always scale it down ourselves if we needed to.
Are you thinking about DVD-DL Blu Ray playable disc?
Well i would be doing the usual DVD-5 & DVD-9 versions but also an AVCHD 1080p version that can be burned onto DVD-9. Most people don't Blu-Ray burners but with the sales of PS3's & Blu-Ray players on the increase an AVCHD DVD-DL release seems the most logical. Well until sales of burners increases (and the price of both the burners and media drop significantly).
I think i may be changing my mind about doing this in 720p.
Anyone fancy 1080p instead?
The downside to this is that it will take longer to finish due to considerably longer rendering times
BMadden said:
Another potentially stupid question here. I typically stream stuff from my PC to my PS3 through Windows Media Player. Are these new AVCHD versions compatible with WMP so I'll be able to stream them directly?
AVCHD's are to be burned onto a DVD, usually a DVD-9 then you can pop them into your PS3 and play then just as you would a blu-ray or DVD. Unless you have the UDF 2.50 drivers & Blu-Ray software player on your PC you won't be able to play them on your PC
dlbsyst said:
adywan said:
Well i guess the difference with my encodes is that they will be true 24fps, have all the commentaries and ANH will have an extra audio track from the DVD-rom starwars.com site exclusive commentary & ESB will have an extra 5.1 track using the laserdisc audio with Boba's original voice so you'll have a choice. I've done too much work to forget about these now
Sounds fantastic Adywan. You do first class work and I would love to check these out.
One question though. What is the source of your encodes. The German h264 broadcasts or the UK.
-Will
they are from the HV releases, so i'm not sure what source they used. The sky broadcasts were very soft and these look sharper than those ( i have the sky esb on my sky HD box still). I didn't want to spend much time on these because it was originally going to be set just for me so i used the English sources i had. i have the OT German broadcasts and they are a bit higher quality encodes but you can expect that with a file size twice that of the English versions. This is just a quick project because i don't want to spend any more time on this that will distract me from doing ESB:R
But i think i may hold off releasing these now for a while. I need to do something a bit different or it will be a waste of time. I may do some basic colour correction on the OT. I may replace the Emperor in ESB with the original and return the Anakin force ghost in ROTJ to that of Sebastian Shaw.
You make some good points there.
I have to say that it wouldn't have been cheaper using physical models. You have to create the model, many for different styled ships. then you have to film them making multiple passes for lighting etc. Take ROTS for example. That opening scene would have required so many different models it would have cost a fortune to do. You have to pay for both materials and man hours. With CGI you can create one ship then re-texture it for each different ship of that type needed. There were more physical models used in the PT than people think.
The main problem with the PT was that they were badly done. Acting, directing, editing, sound design and most of all the screenplays. If those were on par with the OT then the CGI wouldn't have been such a big issue as it is now. I personally like the visuals. You have to remember that we live in a new age since the OT. Technology advances. If they had used models and had FX techniques that the OT used the movies would have been a lot worse than they are now and the casual audience would have laughed at it.
Now first i would have got someone else to write the screenplays. GL isn't good at writing screenplays. He has good story ideas but not very good at executing his ideas. He may have done ANH but the overall success of that movie was down to the editing. Look at the deleted scenes on the behind the magic CDs. The writing in the Biggs scenes was comparable to the PT. Without the great editing work on ANH i doubt we would have been here all these years later talking about Star Wars apart from how bad the film was but the FX were amazing for its time. In that respect i would ahve also brought someone else in to do the editing. The PT suffers with shots lingering too long. The editing in the OT was tight. Nothing lingered longer than it needed.
Secondly, yes, i would have stayed well clear of Hayden. I gave him the benefit of the doubt after the PT because i put his acting down to bad directing. But having seen him in Awake and Jumper i now know how bad an actor he actually is. Every character is the same and his acting is unbelievably wooden. Maybe having a different actor in that role would have given the PT the boost it needed.
Thirdly, about the fact that the jedi are very acrobatic then ever since ESB we saw a taster of what a jedi can do. luke jumping out of the carbon chamber at lightening speed and then in ROTJ doing a back flip up onto a balcony. And he wasn't a fully trained jedi. so having them doing the kind of stunts they do in the PT wasn't a bad thing. Although there is no way i would have had Yoda dong all the stuff he did. On first viewing it looked cool, just because we never saw Yoda fight. But upon more viewings it looks stupid and unnecessary and pretty laughable. But NO midichlorians. my god what the hell was he thinking. It ruined the mystical portrayal of the force.
As for the look of the PT then i would say that i can see what Lucas was aiming for. The OT was set after the Empire has taken power. The gritty look portrayed the hardship that the Galaxy had to endure since it took over. But in the PT there was no Empire and times were better. So cleaner visuals depicted a better time in the galaxy. Having a gritty look wouldn't have worked. there wouldn't ahve been that noticeable difference in living conditions between the pre & post empire periods.
The last thing is that i would not have let Ben Burtt anywhere near any part of the film apart from doing the sound FX. Look at the mess he made of the 2004 DVD's. too much control. he pushed his FX to the front and John Williams brilliant soundtracks to an almost no existent state. Talk about a big ego.
So to sum it all up: If the PT had a strong story, strong screenplay, strong acting and directing then the visuals would have complimented this perfectly instead of being the forefront. As the PT stands now the visuals stand out too much due to the really weak other elements of the movies and that's why most hate them.
Well i guess the difference with my encodes is that they will be true 24fps, have all the commentaries and ANH will have an extra audio track from the DVD-rom starwars.com site exclusive commentary & ESB will have an extra 5.1 track using the laserdisc audio with Boba's original voice so you'll have a choice. I've done too much work to forget about these now
negative1 said:
a couple of things,
ridley scott has a totally different attitude than george lucas..
also, (except for the final, and workprint versions).....all these versions have been available before,
so its not that great........i have them on laserdisc....and also they've been on dvd...[and yes i bought
this new 5 disc collection, and also on HD DVD]....
there are people that think the 'new' final cut is basically pulling a 'lucas' by adding things aren't
needed back into the original bladerunner.......so whats you're point?
all the OOT versions are still out there on laserdisc, and the new versions are on dvd......
and you think they should be re-released again?
later
-1
Well i for one think they should be released again but only on one condition. They release all versions on blu-ray like they have with close encounters & Blade Runner set (unless you're like me and live in the UK and all we got was the lousy Blade Runner "final cut" edition, no box set.) We have HD LCD & Plasma TVs now. no longer are we watching movies on crappy old crt20"+ TV's. Laserdiscs look shit on a big screen and the GOUT being non anamorphic 4:3 is a joke. Having the 2004 set as the only available quality (if you can call it that) version is a pure insult to Star Wars fans. If others can do it then why can't GL with the biggest movie saga of all time?
I wonder, negative1, if you would be so against Star Wars being released in Hi-Def in all versions if HD-DVD had won the format war? I think not.
wookielover69 said:
Adywan,
Just tested this on a DVDR-DL disc as I did'nt have a single layer to hand. It played perfectly on a Sony BDP-S300 and looked fantastic on my 42" HD LCD.
Just another fantastic idea you've had, looking forward to these releases.
That's great to know. I was just thinking about scrapping this project because i noticed someone else is doing an AVCHD set using the wookiegroomer set in the wookiegroomer thread, and started uploading. So i'm going to ahve to do something a bit different with this set now or it wouldn't be worth doing.
Kurgan said:
So I take it the Prequels are the same "cuts" as the DVD editions, and the OT are the "2004 editions" right?
Of course I don't have any High-Def hardware at all (and my current PC hardware couldn't handle it even if I did have the right drivers/software installed), but I thought I'd ask. ;)
Can someone post some comparison shots?
It's nice to know though that by the time I DO get one, there will be a six film saga waiting for me (if a decent official one isn't out by then). Once these are out, and with these and the wookieegroomer versions to compare with, anyone can do a color-correction, sound-fix if they wish (since, believe it or not, there are actually people out there... though not me of course... who prefer the 2004 editions, but admit that they have a few glitches).
To be honest i wouldn't use either mine of Wookiegroomers versions as a basis for an edit. No disrespect to Wookiegroomer of course but you want to work with the best quality encodes and they were the original german braodcasts that were the x264 16gb+ releases. Both mine and wookiegroomers have artifacts that aren't there on the higher bitrate file, and i know that wookiegroomer would agree with me on this. Never work from a re-encode. Always use the original
Also i may use the laserdisc 5.1 audio track for the OT so you can chose between either the 2004 5.1 or the laserdisc 5.1 (and have boba fetts original voice) to give a wider choice. but maybe the commentary will have to go for those and i would ahve to return them to the '97 SE trilogy and not the 2004 set
ImperialFighter said:
doubleofive - Yes, we've been a little unlucky along the way, but are nearly there. Check your latest successful e-mail. :)
doubleofive has put some excellent effort into some 'mock-ups' for some potential thoughts for Adywan and everyone here to have a look at. He has not done them in an enormous size, but there are approx. forty-odd shots or so in the sequence, which will include some 'alternative' ideas (don't worry Adywan, not every shot is a 'mock-up', and the ones that are, are done using various existing elements!) as well for certain shots. It's only to give Adywan some food for thought in certain areas he may not have already considered, and something for others here to have a look at, that are interested. I am planning on commenting on various things, once the shots have been put up, at some point soon.
Adywan, as it's your thread, maybe you will advise us if we can place it on here for you, or if you want a dedicated thread for it. Thanks.
Best to place them in here. We don't want to have to many threads about the same project going. If you can it would probably be best to post the thumbnails in here that will link to the larger pictures or it could take over the thread if you have too many. Can't wait to see the ideas.
teharri said:
I have not tried it on my blu ray player yet but so far on my computer it is telling me it is an audio file.
The blu-ray standard uses the UDF 2.50 standard and unless you have the driver installed for that then it will not be readable on your PC and will sometimes give a false report. The Iso needs to be burned direct to DVD then played in either a PS3 or a blu-ray player to view.
AxiaEuxine said:
I am of course looking forward to this. But isnt this distrating you from Empire revisited? Uses mind trick "You will work on Empire Revisted."
No. I needed a small break from ESB:R because i've got to the planning stage now and i'm looking through the movie to list things that need to be don & how i can achieve things. This project can be done at the same time as ESB:R because once all the fine tuning is done it can be rendered without taking up much of my time on ESB:R
Has anyone burned the test file and tried it on a blu-ray player yet? I could do with some feedback before i go into the final stages. thanks