adywan

Ripplin said:

Ady, you're not color correcting ANH and ESB at the same time, are you? :p I don't remember you saying anything was done in that regard yet. At any rate, you seem to like working on several different things at once anyway. I guess I'd be excited too. Haha.

yes i'm doing both at the same time. A New Hope's colour correction is finished and i'm rendering the lossless avi right now. had a few problems with the last encode and i wasn't too happy with some of the colour correction so i needed to go back and do some more work. i should have the main video rendered for the PS3 by tomorrow and then i can sync the audio tracks. if all goes well then EP4 AVCHD should be available in the next few days. I'm not going to be using most of the 2004 5.1 mix for ANH but instead i'm gong to be using my Revisited mix for most parts with the 2004 DVD & Laserdisc 5.1 mixed in too.

The Griff said:

Probably an impossible request but I might as well make it anyway:

 

...no 'Jedi Rocks'? Please?

yeh, unfortunately impossible.

I'm encoding the first pass colour correction for ANH now. I'm having to do it in chunk of 30 minutes because the rendering times are horrendous. After effects reported 58 hours to encode the whole movie. Hopefully i will have some comparison screenshots to post a bit later today.

they have samples of the soundtrack here:

Clone Wars Soundtrack

The main tilte sounds like its paying at half speed. It just sounds so strange. I don't like it at all. So i guess that there is no opening crawl by the sounds of things. Also, to me, its sounds more like the soundtrack from one of The Mummy movies than a Star Wars one.

Baronlando said:

Sorry if this is common knowledge, what makes the german HD broadcast a particularly desirable source? Was it the 1997 version, or something else about it that makes it the best? thanks

The German HD broadcasts were superior quality compared to the Uk & US broadcasts. The picture was sharper & with less broadcast compression artifacts than the others

negative1 said:

i wonder why more people have watched the PT than the OT ???

 

was everybody fooled?

 

later

-1

more people didn't see the PT. Back when the OT was at the cinema you could buy a ticket for the first showing and stay in all day if you wanted to (which i did on a few occasions), yet it still make a shed load of cash. Now when the PT came out you were only allowed to sit in for the one showing. Check out all the available movie charts online that have ticket price adjusted figures and you'll see that the PT isn't even in the top 10.

as for the Clone wars movie, i can't believe that its less than 2 weeks away and that it will be the fist Star Wars movie that i won't be going to the cinema to see and that i'd almost forgot that it was even coming out. Many people i have spoke to here were shocked to hear there was another movie that was going to be at the cinema this month. I think that says hell of a lot as to what Star Wars has become. There is just no interest in it here at all from anyone above school age.

It does remind me of the 2 Ewok movies that were made for TV but were only shown here at the cinema. Just a way to squeeze even more money out of the fans for something that was originally made for TV.

vbangle said:

Ady, have you given any thought to re-making the crawl? From your HD example the crawl, as it comes into view, doesn't look nice and straight....

 

Didn't you re-create the ANH:R crawl? Maybe the same is in order for ESB:R? What you think?

yeh i noticed the crawl isn't too straight and i may do soething about that. i Didn't recreate the crawl for ANH:R i just straightened it a little. I'll have to recreate them for the PT but i want to use the originals for the OT

ImperialFighter said:

Something that I really liked about the actual 'STAR WARS' logo on ANH:R, was the slightly emboldened outline of the lettering.  It's a subtle thing, but makes it even better.

Not sure what you mean here because i didn't do anything to the logo exept use one from one of the other language versions due to a problem with the original lettering.

baby hum said:

I've been watching this thread with great interest and can't wait to see Adywan's results. The demo looked fantastic on my PS3. It's the next step in my releases but until enough HD content becomes available I'm taking it slowly. The one question I do have is, has anyone tried Roxio's DVDit HD. I'd like to include menus on my releases and bar Scenarist I think this is the only program that will allow you to do that. Also, is a regular photoshopped 1920x1080 jpeg image good enough for menus and slideshows or are there any special requirements such as pixel aspect ratio etc.

Good luck Adywan! Can't wait!

I did try DVDit Pro HD but i couldn't get the thing to work on my machine. I had problems with the activation screen and Roxio weren't the greatest of help, so i gave up and didn't bother buying the full version

digitalfreaknyc said:

Any update? :)

My drive should be coming today so i can start rendering the first colour pass of ANH within the next couple of days

Fjodin said:

I have 3 uestion to adywan:

1) I know that you removedse wampa scene,but could youadd it in DVD Bonus, like you've done with Jabba? i realy like this Wampa.

 

i may well do that

 

2) Why you removed scene when vaders shutle flys from Bespin to SSD?

 

It was a totally unnecessary addition which ruins the pacing of the whole scene

 

3)i hope you dont delete SE Max Rebo Scene from ROTJ. I REALY like it. :)

PS. I love your Ep4! Its better than original! :)

 

Again that another SE addition that will be going. The whole "Jedi Rocks" music number just doesn't fit in with the feel of Star Wars at all.

PaulisDead2221 said:

Ady, what do you think of the star maps so far? I love the brighter stars in both your last edit and in this one, but have you thought about working on the star maps to make them a little more realistic? Maybe star clusters, or milky way-like formations strewn across the screen could give a sense that these planets do indeed exist in a galaxy far far away. It would be interesting to see the action take place against a backdrop of stars that looks more like what you see when you look up into the sky on a clear night.  If it was at all feasible, I think it could be real cool to see probe droids searching a galaxy that looked like this.

i Toyed around with using different styles of starfields when i was first starting ANH:R.Iit just didn't feel like Star Wars any more and just didn't look right in my eyes.

Well its the last shot of the Wampa that i have the biggest problem with. The original footage of the arm after it is severed its is cut at around the elbow, but the SE wampa has is severed at the shoulder. It really bugged me that they couldn't even get that right. It's not as if the footage wasn't already there for reference. You see, thats one of the main problems with the SE. All this new stuff was added without any regard for continuity with what was originally there and what would be kept  just because it could be added. Not only did they screw up the arm but also later on in cloud city too. The New Buildings as they land no longer match the Matte painting and the addition of the window with the elevator is there one shot and gone for the rest. Total screw ups that a aren't that difficult to spot that something is wrong (especially with a renouned FX house like ILM)

i haven't fully decided what to do with the wampa scene yet but i can't see me keeping the SE additons at all

Fjodin said:

HEY! DONT DELETE COMPETELY SE WAMPA! It was wery upset that there is no wampa in OT. Only small shot at ate end of cave scene. And SE gives us a long shot of wampa.

sorry, but the SE wampa shots are gone

negative1 said:

 LEIA: Lord Vader, I should have known. Only you could be so bold. The
Imperial Senate will not sit for this, when they hear you've attacked
a diplomatic...

VADER: Don't play games with me, Your Highness. You weren't on any
mercy mission this time. You passed directly through a restricted
system. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.
I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.

LEIA: I don't know what you're talking about. I'm a member of the
Imperial Senate on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............imperial senate...............diplomatic...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........mercy mission................restricted system........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........imperial senate.................diplomatic mission........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Actually, no.  and you got the quote completely wrong there. Not sure where you are copying that from but its not as it was in the movie.

...much later

HAN: (yelling) Yahoo!
====================================================================

will someone wake me up when they actually start talking about something interesting???????????

More interesting?? maybe you would prefer them to talk about treaties and trade federations and taxes and ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... sorry fell asleep there just thinking about it.

or maybe you think something like this is better:

ANAKIN: You are so beautiful!

PADME: It's only because I'm so in love . . .

ANAKIN: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.

PADME: So love has blinded you?

ERGHHHHHHHH!!! Now look what you made me do. you made me lose my lunch :)

NOTHING in the OT comes anywhere near to crap like this. He cut the important scenes about the start of the rebellion to add scenes like this?(which was added in re shoots after principal photography had finished because he felt the movie needed it).  Its the type of thing a pre-teen girl would write and not someone who was once regarded as such a great film maker.

The acting was terrible in the PT which emphasised the really bad dialogue but even the best actors in the world can't make gold out of shit.

Octorox said:

doubleofive said:

I couldn't resist posting the two changes I noticed.  I won't directly put them on here till everyone has had a look, but I'll post the links for the curious:

Change 1

Change 2

change 2 looked really shopped in that video. I guess HD is a lot less forgiving! Of course, it's still in early development as well.

actually that's the best i'm going to get it at the moment. trying to find horns to match the wampa is hard enough but to get them in HD res then that's the killer.i haven't got a clue where i'd find some horns to match or come even close. i had to use a mixture of wampa & taun taun to do those shots.  then tracking those shots...man that's tough. if you think it looks crap then if i can't get it any better then i'll just have to drop it. This is the big hurdle i have to face now i'm working in HD. its a whole new ball game.

The Golden Idol said:

Also, if any other changes were made, please post pics.

well you got those two. change 1 has 2 differences in it. 1 the taun taun runs faster and 2 i added footprints. apart from a slight change to the starfields & planet in the probe scenes at the beginning, nothing else has been changed

rlockhart said:

Adywan  Watched ESB last night noticed a couple of things both things are before Vader revels he is Lukes father " hope I didnt ruin it for anybody" anyway when Vader is coming out on the walkway he hits the wall on the right of him and there are sparks but in the next close up there are no marks on the wall also the three pipes the Vader cuts through the burn marks on whats left of the pipes look like black spray paint. I can give you the exact times later if need be.  

Thanks, but it's ok i already know about these problems. i'll be doing something to fix it. :)

RoccondilRinon said:

How much of Dagobah's surface do we see? A few square miles, tops? Who's to say it's all the same, all covered in cloud? Real planets aren't all uniform, nor are most of the planets in the series. I don't mind you keeping the E5 Dagobah, especially if you're planning to reinstate that deleted scene in E3, but there's no continuity reason for not using it.

one of the biggest reasons not to use it for this is because its only available in DVD res and i'm working with 1080p. But also my thoughts about dagobah is that it was an ordinary swamp planet when Yoda first reached there but he needed to do something so he couldn't be detected and somehow, maybe through the force, made the atmosphere more dense so he wouldn't be detected, so the E3 version would look a lot different than the E5 version. 

TheoOdo said:

"Now, Viceroy, we will discuss a new treaty!"

Whoah-ho! Hold the phone! They're gonna' discuss a treaty!? WOW! I'm giddy with anticipation! In the words of the young Anakin Skywalker: Whoopie!

Damn you just reminded me of the first time i ever cringed when watching a star wars film. In Wattos shop when anakin goes "Yippee". ...EEEEWW.

Little did i know there was so much more cringing to come. It never happened, and has never happened once during the OT during  any dialogue.

Octorox said:

Fjodin said:

Sorry fro doble post, but adywan wahat do you think about this suggestions:

- Mynock in cave (maybe some small shots)

- Some At-ST at background in Hoth Battle, becausethere only 2 small shots.

- Star Destroyers bombard planet like here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSNonaBw-8  ) after destroying shealdor omething like this.

- Centinels Shutles from E4 (they re not EU) leaving hanger and going towards plaet, or something like this. Because there is no scene how Wader and snow trooper apeare on planet... They just entered the door :(

- Dagobah from E3 Deleted scene 

I have to second the suggestion about Dagobah from the deleted scene. The E3 look as viewed from space was green and lush and gave the planet a character of it's own. The E5 look was pretty bland and actually pretty indistinguishable from Hoth.

But the E3 version looked nothing like Dagobah looks in ESB . Just see just how misty and cloud covered Dagobah is. Luke can't see a thing when he enters the atmosphere so you wouldn't have seen all the surface from space. plus, don't forget that the colouring of the 2004 DVDs screw the planet up anyway.

doubleofive said:

Fjodin said:

Adywann, why you have decided to return original Boba voice... i mean he is a clone of Jango and his adult voise should be like jango and clones... or not?

 

Basically, it comes down to Temura Morrison's Boba voice was literally phoned in, and he just didn't have the same emotion for the lines.  So Ady's logic is who's to say that clones sound exactly like their "parent" or that Boba's and Jango's helmets maybe have a voice modulater built in.  The plan is to redo the voice of JANGO in the prequels to better match the OT, as it should have been in the beginning.

you said it all for me :)

Fjodin said:

Sorry fro doble post, but adywan wahat do you think about this suggestions:

- Mynock in cave (maybe some small shots)

 

Not sure what you mean here. a bit more detail would help

 

- Some At-ST at background in Hoth Battle, becausethere only 2 small shots.

 

yes, maybe but not so they would stick out too much

 

- Star Destroyers bombard planet like here ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSSNonaBw-8  ) after destroying shealdor omething like this.

 

No. it doesn't need anything like that

 

- Centinels Shutles from E4 (they re not EU) leaving hanger and going towards plaet, or something like this. Because there is no scene how Wader and snow trooper apeare on planet... They just entered the door :(

- Dagobah from E3 Deleted scene 

 

again we don't need to see this. we know Vader is going to land on Hoth as soon as the shield generator is destroyed from general Veer's Holo conversation with him

rlockhart said:

My vlc player also skips and sticks it always work well before any ideas, but what I did see looked great the star destoyer looked 3d in a good way  and the planets colors looked good.

try using media player classic. its free to download and it plays mkv's better than VLC

Here you go:

ESB:R 1080p opening mkv approx 190mb

again a temp soundtrack and low bitrate used

Hunter6 said:

I know that Obi is japanese sash, but I thought that George Lucas may have used it also because OBI can stand for obliteration by incorporation.
but knowing George is not that smart, I will remove the obliteration by incorporation part of my post.

Obi (sash) is From Japan and Wan (Chinese abbreviation for the province of Anhui) is from China.

the name Anakin is a Surname like Wan.
-------
Number20 says
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that the novelization for ANH said that Vader and Obi-Wan fought and Vader fell into a volcano. I don't remember the radiation stuff from TESB.


it is in The second draft of The Empire Strikes Back screenplay and it seems at the time of making ESB (and maybe ROTJ) it was used.
(Lawrence Kasdan said that Vader was a Mutant. I think is this is in the Secret History of Star Wars or on www.starwarz.com).

The Duel between Anakin and Obi-wan always ended with Anakin falling into fire (a volcano or a molten pit).

But I think the falling into the nuclear reactor shaft was why Anakin turned to the darkside in the OOT backstory.

Both the falling into fire (a volcano or a molten pit) and falling into a nuclear reactor shaft seem to be true.

looking at the design of The unmasked vader from ESB and ROTJ, The OOT vader shows signs of both.

OOT vader with a burn on the back of his head which shows the falling into fire:

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/ep5/ldvader2.jpg

OOT vader face looks like somebody with radiation sickness which shows the falling into a nuclear reactor:

http://darthvader.blog.dada.net/archive/images/DarthVader.jpg

Also Lucas in the '04 DVDs changed the unmasked vader in ROTJ to match the lava burn-only Vader of EP III.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/dvd/zs/rotj/unmasked2.jpg

 

 

i have to disagree with you about the pics. pic 2 has nothing to do with being a mutant. the make up was pale with heavy dark eyes because he had been masked for 20 years and with the skin pale due to lack of any form of sunlight with the scars from lightsaber duel between anakin & Obi-Wan. The eyebrows were removed because he was supposed to have been badly burned and would have had no eyebrows left.  i highly doubt that he would have fell into a volcano and then into a nuclear reactor shaft in the back story at all. it would have been one or the other. the Volcano back story was the one i always remember since Star Wars first came out. Maybe Lucas toyed with the idea of changing that to a reactor shaft then decided against it but re-used that idea for the Emperors death instead. But he certainly wouldn't have had both fates happen to him. Is there any documentation about Anakin falling into a nuclear reactor shaft at all because i've never heard of this. It would be interesting to read.

1080p mkv opening clip coming in about half hour or so with new fixes.....

Mielr said:

adywan said:

So a future dialect (even though, as C3PX stated it is set a long time ago and NOT in the future) means no British accents then, just your  American one? Wow, talk about a superiority complex. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure, but I think Negative1 is British.

Then that makes his statements even more confusing

So a future dialect (even though, as C3PX stated it is set a long time ago and NOT in the future) means no British accents then, just your  American one? Wow, talk about a superiority complex. So all the British accents should be re-dubbed or subtitled because they "sound jarring, take the characters out of context, and place them back in the reality of this world"? Don't make me laugh. So what about the American accents then? Why don't they do the same thing then, because as far as i know the American accent actually exists in our world now.

I was also 10 in '77 when i saw Star Wars and i understood it perfectly well and had no problems hearing the other actors speaking American, being a Brit myself.

You certainly can't compare the humour of 3PO (OT version only NOT the pathetic PT version) to Jar Jar. They are two totally different styles. 3PO's humour was there as light relief and was used at the right moments ,never ruining an important scene whereas Jar Jars was thrust upon us just for the hell of it, and as CO said , the important scene where Padme & Anakin first meet has Jar Jar totally ruining it with the pathetic attempt at slapstick

None of the corny lines in the OT even come close to being as cringe worthy as the dialogue from the PT

lets use a seduction/ love scene as an example:

ESB Han & Leia:

HAN: Hey, Your Worship, I'm only trying to help.

LEIA:Would you please stop calling me that?

HAN: Sure, Leia.

LEIA: Oh, you make it so difficult sometimes.

HAN: I do, I really do. You could be a little nicer, though.  Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all
right.

LEIA: Occasionally, maybe...when you aren't
acting like a scoundrel.

HAN: Scoundrel? Scoundrel? I like the sound of that.

LEIA: Stop that.

HAN: Stop what?

LEIA: Stop that! My hands are dirty.

HAN: My hands are dirty, too. What are you afraid of?

LEIA: Afraid?

HAN: You're trembling.

LEIA: I'm not trembling.

HAN: You like me because I'm a scoundrel. There aren't enough
scoundrels in your life.

LEIA: I happen to like nice men.

HAN: I'm a nice man.

LEIA: No, you're not. You're...

ok now lets compare this to the AOTC fireplace scene

ANAKIN: From the moment I met you... all those years ago... not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of you. and now that I'm with you again... I'm in agony. The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. The thought of not being with you-- I can't breathe. I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating... hoping that that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul... tormenting me. What can I do? I will do anything that you ask. If you are suffering as much as I am, please, tell me.

PADME: I can't. We can't. It's... just not possible.

ANAKIN: Anything is possible, Padmé. Listen to me.

PADME: No, you listen. We live in a real world. Come back to it. You're studying to become a Jedi. I'm-- I'm a senator. If you follow your thoughts through to conclusion... it'll take us to a place we cannot go... regardless of the way we feel about each other.
Then you do feel something.

Ok, ok that's about as much as i can stomach. Notice how everything in the PT is so long-winded almost like some cheesy Danielle Steel novel. Its pretty gut wrenching. Try to find a scene of this cringe worthy nature and long-winded approach in the OT and there isn't one.

Smartripper doesn't like some multi angle DVD's. DVD Decrypter works fine for the SE's. I have used it to rip mine. If you want to do a full rip then use DVD Decrypter and the multi angle will be fine and the crawl won't be messed up. But if you want the movie for editing purposes then rip the full DVD with DVD Decrypter then import the ripped DVD into DVDShrink, chose "re-author", select the main title and the angle you want, set the compression to "no compression" then chose the language & subtitles you want to keep and export the DVD. This will give you the main movie only with only the language crawl you want

i can remember back to pre-'97 when the first rumours about the SE started floating around. It was a time when we had all grown up and a new generation had only ever seen it on VHS or on the TV. i, along with many of my friends, were really excited about being able to Star Wars again on the big screen, even though it would be a different version. We didn't care about this at all. I was able to take my 3 daughters to the cinema to experience what i had experienced when i was a kid. They loved it and so did i. there were some additions i didn't like, Greedo shooting first for instance, but they were minor niggles. Star Wars fandom hit a high again and no one i knew hated the SE trilogy at the time. A whole new generation became Star Wars fans. The VHS box set came out (i didn't have a laserdisc player back then) and it sat along side my OUT box set. I could happily watch both versions without any problem and the quality was the same.

But years later things turned sour.

The day GL said that the SE were now the definitive versions and that the OUT doesn't exist in his mind became the turning point for the hatred of the SE to begin. Minor niggles became hated additions.

Then we were told that the OUT would never be released ever again and only ever the SE. The hatred again grew among fans. Then the insult of the 2004 DVD set: terrible colouring, additions that were far worse than anything (apart from Han not being the only one to shoot, thus changing his character) that was added in '97, screwed up soundtracks that they tried to tell us that we were all wrong in that all the screw ups were a creative decision, but to top it all, the SE was now available with a high quality format (colouring aside) but the OUT was nowhere to be seen. Where was the high quality transfer the version that won all the awards and revolutionised the FX industry deserved? nowhere to be seen. Then the 30th anniversary was all but ignored

Now the SE was no longer the fun alternative to our beloved trilogy but something that became thrust down our throats as the only version  DVD quality, or higher, that was restored and we would ever be allowed to see.  Then the insult to top all insults happened: the GOUT. What a great way to thank all the loyal Star Wars fans that have been there from the start. I think not.

What happened to the company that always pushed for the best image & sound quality possible, setting industry standards? The Lucasfilm that existed pre '97 would never have released such a sub-standard product as the GOUT.

My point is this: If GL had acknowledged the fact that OUT is a masterpiece that should be preserved in the highest quality alongside the SE, with the SE just being a fun alternative experience, had released both versions in the same high quality and never said that the SE is the only version we are allowed to see, would there be the hatred for the SE that exists now? i would have to say no. You would either like the SE or not, but at least you could watch the OUT on your large screen TVs with great picture quality and chose to ignore the SE if you wish.

Way to go George. You locked yourself away in your little bubble surrounding yourself with "yes" men and lost touch of all reality. How can you ignore the things that gave you what you have today: the Fans and the OUT. Look what you accomplished with such a limited budget. You should be proud of that and not be ashamed that a few FX shots didn't look perfect or that you couldn't do a few things back then (i'm ignoring any additions to ESB or ROTJ here). It was a masterpiece with all its flaws. they didn't bother us back then and they don't bother us now.

With the Blu-Ray releases of movies like Close Encounters & Blade Runner on Blu-ray with all the different versions with the same high  quality transfer now available wouldn't this be the time to just thanks the fans for what they have given you and give us what we want?

So would anyone else not hate the SE as much as they do now if GL hadn't buried the OUT and told us that the SE will be the only version that will exsist from now on?